EPTOn October 02 2020 09:12 Nevuk wrote:
Antifa doesn't mean what you think it means. It's getting extremely tiring to see you continually repost misinformation, even after being corrected, in a way that suggests that you are aware that you are doing so, purely to score political points on an issue you think Biden is vulnerable on. He's not, because ANTIFA IS NOT A FUCKING THING. IT DOESN'T EXIST. Biden doesn't need to disavow them anymore than he does actual unicorns that live on mars.
Even if we go by the people that you mean by saying antifa, they have killed literally only 1 person in the past 20 years, and we don't know what happened there, because the police killed the guy instead of arresting him (he claimed it was self-defense in an interview shortly before his death, and that he was going to be killed by cops. Hey, guess he was right?). Right wing extremism has killed 397 as of June in a 20 year time span.
Trump being asked to disavow Proud Boys because they've been linked to murders and engage in terrorism. One is an actual threat to people's lives, the other is less real than a child's bogeyman.
Antifa doesn't mean what you think it means. It's getting extremely tiring to see you continually repost misinformation, even after being corrected, in a way that suggests that you are aware that you are doing so, purely to score political points on an issue you think Biden is vulnerable on. He's not, because ANTIFA IS NOT A FUCKING THING. IT DOESN'T EXIST. Biden doesn't need to disavow them anymore than he does actual unicorns that live on mars.
Even if we go by the people that you mean by saying antifa, they have killed literally only 1 person in the past 20 years, and we don't know what happened there, because the police killed the guy instead of arresting him (he claimed it was self-defense in an interview shortly before his death, and that he was going to be killed by cops. Hey, guess he was right?). Right wing extremism has killed 397 as of June in a 20 year time span.
Trump being asked to disavow Proud Boys because they've been linked to murders and engage in terrorism. One is an actual threat to people's lives, the other is less real than a child's bogeyman.
Yeah, the left wing's infamous ability to dissemble and give plausible deniability. You can (apparently) get away with murder if you're doing it in the name of racial injustice and you operate in small groups. Maybe we can get some sociologist to adopt a more pleasing name for the Antifa, Black Bloc, combo anarchist and loopy leftist groups that congregate in major metros and like setting things on fire and throwing bricks at cops. I don't really see such a need, since the basic problem is not semantic pedants arguing about what constitutes an organization, but the excusing of burning down neighborhoods and violence against cops if its done by the right kind of viewpoint.
Yeah, so your fellow travelers haven't racked up quite the same body count. They're more into sending cops into hospitals, or blinding federal officers, or burning down immigrant businesses, or smashing downtown areas. The actual process of shooting someone and disappearing into the riotous atmosphere doesn't lead to much chalking up of another death in the Antifa column. Rest in peace, David Dorn, for defending a pawn shop that didn't matter to some, and whose looting isn't a tabulated left-winger body count. But they're definitely more into beating people up and causing just enough violence to provoke police response and a propaganda victory. I have a different perspective on the threat of Antifa/Black-bloc/radical left-wing groups on people's lives. People forced to move, businesses no longer able to afford their property insurance, and police that are just a little slower to answer the inner-city call. It's not the neat right-wing penchant for easily tabulated losses. It gets a little messy. I'm talking about revising your entire mindset on what constitutes danger and a threat level of messy. And I doubt you or any of a similar mindset on Antifa within this forum will recognize that basic fact until it shows up on your doorstep. The courthouse downtown and a town out in Wisconsin give enough distance to avoid confronting unpleasant facts. It wasn't your business torched, or your neighborhood with windows smashed and facades tagged, and your brother isn't a police officer that had a firework explode just close enough to his skin to cause injury. (Consoling him that Antifa doesn't exist, and reminding him that he's luckily not dead might not go over so well with him as it doesn't with me)
You may get your body count the next time they try to set a police station on fire and barricade the exits. I won't be cheering that maybe some left-wing radical is gonna change his mind from it, (frankly, because as you point it out, it might take more) and the country sees the problem on their TVs and we don't need everyone to come around. But keep on with your all caps and how one isn't an actual threat to people's lives ... I have people tell me that people of your opinion only exist in extremist groups themselves.
