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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 02 2020 01:08 GMT
#521
On October 02 2020 09:12 Nevuk wrote:
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On October 02 2020 08:58 Danglars wrote:
On October 02 2020 08:09 GoTuNk! wrote:
This astonishing gaslighting that Trump is a secret white supremacist, and that so many people on this forum seem to believe is completely devoid of reason. It took me 5 minutes of youtube search to find multiple videos of Trump "disavowing" white supremacy in clear terms trough the years.

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4 years ago:

3 years ago:

Compilation:



On the debate he clearly said "sure, I'll do that" when asked to disavow it (again) and wanted to move the ball to Biden who keeps flip flopping on issues and avoiding them to appeal both the moderate and radical parts of the dem party, anyone trying to understand something else is just intelectually dishonest. He could have been more clear but it's pretty obvious what he meant.
Moreover, Yesterday's clarification:
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Dude was basically a moderate democrat from NY most of his life, the idea that he is some secret southern confederate itching to harm black people is so stupid it's really painful to watch, otherwise smart people, believe it (or pretend to believe it?)

I honestly think this smear campaign actually helps him because of how absurd and lame it is (they tried the same in 2016); the covid line of atack is by far the best the dems have, name calling, not so much. The same goes to Trump; instead of calling Biden senile and weak, he should focus exclusively on him being a supporters of rioters and looters that will raise taxes and pack the courts, destroying the american way of life.


Debates aren't fair and he did an unforced error on that one (after doing two-three disavowals correctly just before it).

I don't really think it moved most people, because Biden's so far up his own ass on Antifa that he couldn't manage some generic "violence on all sides" platitude. Polling supports this for now. The guys that think he's the second coming of Hitler here to bring down democracy and kill people while doing it won't change their mind on better denials, and people that hear the whole exchange aren't going to suddenly think this is the big exposé. A few might stay home instead of voting, though, for that fumble along with the way he conducted himself.

Antifa doesn't mean what you think it means. It's getting extremely tiring to see you continually repost misinformation, even after being corrected, in a way that suggests that you are aware that you are doing so, purely to score political points on an issue you think Biden is vulnerable on. He's not, because ANTIFA IS NOT A FUCKING THING. IT DOESN'T EXIST. Biden doesn't need to disavow them anymore than he does actual unicorns that live on mars.

Even if we go by the people that you mean by saying antifa, they have killed literally only 1 person in the past 20 years, and we don't know what happened there, because the police killed the guy instead of arresting him (he claimed it was self-defense in an interview shortly before his death, and that he was going to be killed by cops. Hey, guess he was right?). Right wing extremism has killed 397 as of June in a 20 year time span.

Trump being asked to disavow Proud Boys because they've been linked to murders and engage in terrorism. One is an actual threat to people's lives, the other is less real than a child's bogeyman.

Yeah, the left wing's infamous ability to dissemble and give plausible deniability. You can (apparently) get away with murder if you're doing it in the name of racial injustice and you operate in small groups. Maybe we can get some sociologist to adopt a more pleasing name for the Antifa, Black Bloc, combo anarchist and loopy leftist groups that congregate in major metros and like setting things on fire and throwing bricks at cops. I don't really see such a need, since the basic problem is not semantic pedants arguing about what constitutes an organization, but the excusing of burning down neighborhoods and violence against cops if its done by the right kind of viewpoint.

Yeah, so your fellow travelers haven't racked up quite the same body count. They're more into sending cops into hospitals, or blinding federal officers, or burning down immigrant businesses, or smashing downtown areas. The actual process of shooting someone and disappearing into the riotous atmosphere doesn't lead to much chalking up of another death in the Antifa column. Rest in peace, David Dorn, for defending a pawn shop that didn't matter to some, and whose looting isn't a tabulated left-winger body count. But they're definitely more into beating people up and causing just enough violence to provoke police response and a propaganda victory. I have a different perspective on the threat of Antifa/Black-bloc/radical left-wing groups on people's lives. People forced to move, businesses no longer able to afford their property insurance, and police that are just a little slower to answer the inner-city call. It's not the neat right-wing penchant for easily tabulated losses. It gets a little messy. I'm talking about revising your entire mindset on what constitutes danger and a threat level of messy. And I doubt you or any of a similar mindset on Antifa within this forum will recognize that basic fact until it shows up on your doorstep. The courthouse downtown and a town out in Wisconsin give enough distance to avoid confronting unpleasant facts. It wasn't your business torched, or your neighborhood with windows smashed and facades tagged, and your brother isn't a police officer that had a firework explode just close enough to his skin to cause injury. (Consoling him that Antifa doesn't exist, and reminding him that he's luckily not dead might not go over so well with him as it doesn't with me)

You may get your body count the next time they try to set a police station on fire and barricade the exits. I won't be cheering that maybe some left-wing radical is gonna change his mind from it, (frankly, because as you point it out, it might take more) and the country sees the problem on their TVs and we don't need everyone to come around. But keep on with your all caps and how one isn't an actual threat to people's lives ... I have people tell me that people of your opinion only exist in extremist groups themselves.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 01:15 GMT
#522
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WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 02 2020 01:57 GMT
#523
Please stop, you're hurting Danglars' ability to whatabout. Don't you realize that some people throwing bricks at buildings are the real enemy, not the POTUS inciting a civil war? They have the real power!
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2720 Posts
October 02 2020 02:05 GMT
#524
On October 02 2020 10:57 WarSame wrote:
Please stop, you're hurting Danglars' ability to whatabout. Don't you realize that some people throwing bricks at buildings are the real enemy, not the POTUS inciting a civil war? They have the real power!


Genuine question - is it still whataboutism if Danglars has openly condemned the Proud Boys?

I think Danglars' frustration comes from us being much, much slower to condemn antifa (I know I sure am) despite them (whatever 'them' means) engaging in violence and vandalism. I can appreciate that frustration.

Props to JimmiC for that post, though. I didn't know that Biden had openly spoken out about the violence. I'm assuming that's the statement that I've heard talked about as coming too late / only after consideration, though?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
October 02 2020 02:09 GMT
#525
It's whataboutism to suggest the Proud Boys and Antifa are the same thing, or even the same type of thing. There is no "local branch" of Antifa, because there is no organizational structure, and there's no leader or unifying message. It's an ideology, that's pretty obvious based on the name. It's an attempt to muddy the waters by confusing the issue when the far right shuts down general anti-fascism.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 02:12:36
October 02 2020 02:11 GMT
#526
Everyone, thank you for participating in the debate thread! Thread will now be locked and USPMT will get unlocked.

The debate thread will reopen on October 7 for the VP debate between Mike Pence and Kamala Harris. We'll lock USPMT again on that date. See you all then!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37084 Posts
October 08 2020 00:39 GMT
#527
Reminder that the VP debate is set to take place in 20 minutes.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 08 2020 01:12 GMT
#528
Pence is right to start on the xenophobic comment that showed Biden used early on.

Plagiarism comment nice zing. Biden was laughed out of town in one of his presidential runs for that reputation.
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 08 2020 01:14 GMT
#529
This debate start is already 100x better then what the main ticket debate
Something witty
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 01:15 GMT
#530
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 08 2020 01:15 GMT
#531
This feels like a proper debate instead of a yelling match. The standard run over time, but with a modicum of respect for the concept of taking turns.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-08 01:25:04
October 08 2020 01:22 GMT
#532
Pence is such a disgusting piece of trash.

What a fucking snake. Every word from him oozes "manipulative shitbag".

Also Harris is way too much a "typical politician". Didn't answer the question at all and just gave a stump speech.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 08 2020 01:22 GMT
#533
'Mr Pence, Trump is old as fuck, have you talked about the What If's'

'Let me talk about swine flu'
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
October 08 2020 01:23 GMT
#534
Well Pence just avoided answering the question on any protocol regarding Trump's health.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12461 Posts
October 08 2020 01:23 GMT
#535
Wait, this can't be american politics, these guys are forming coherent sentences
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 01:27 GMT
#536
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2020 01:27 GMT
#537
Ugh can't stand this crap from Harris.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45923 Posts
October 08 2020 01:29 GMT
#538
The VP debate is already better than the first P debate, although Pence is pretty unbelievable with how he straight-up shushed the moderator as she was moving on to the second topic, away from coronavirus.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45923 Posts
October 08 2020 01:31 GMT
#539
On October 08 2020 10:23 Nebuchad wrote:
Wait, this can't be american politics, these guys are forming coherent sentences


To be fair, most pre-Trump presidential candidates could form coherent sentences... Clinton, Obama, Romney, McCain, etc. Trump is relatively unique in that regard.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 08 2020 01:32 GMT
#540
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