EPTOn November 12 2022 16:06 JimmiC wrote:
And should it be taken down? Is it remotely factual?
And should it be taken down? Is it remotely factual?
was it legit or what?
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DarkPlasmaBall
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Some people believe that the removal of anything - regardless of context or accuracy - is inherently bad, that censorship / having standards for what ought to be allowed is unfair or wrong. For those people, it doesn't matter if the video is factual or not. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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now it probably helps that i personally know someone who died literally 1 day after getting the vaccine due to complications, so i know first hand that "vaccine injuries" arent some made up shit | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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On November 13 2022 11:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: have you seen the video? because i watched half of it and from what i saw a lot of it was credible. the scientific stuff i wasnt going to verify myself but the rest of what i saw gave me no reason to seriously doubt the parts those parts. now it probably helps that i personally know someone who died literally 1 day after getting the vaccine due to complications, so i know first hand that "vaccine injuries" arent some made up shit I'm sorry for your loss  Do you think their death was caused by the vaccine? Why or why not? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On November 13 2022 11:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm sorry for your loss Do you think their death was caused by the vaccine? Why or why not? well im only relying on information given to me by her family. 39 years old, admitted into hospital due to severe headaches after getting the shot. died in hospital later due to complications with her brain. wasnt given the exact details about what the complications were. the family insist that the vaccination was the cause however this cause was never officially accepted or confirmed by doctors/insurance. doctors couldnt explain why the complications came about but wouldnt definitively say it was the vaccine. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On November 13 2022 14:00 JimmiC wrote: So it was not censored and you easily watched it. No I have not, I have no interest. If some was to post about why it was worth while maybe but Im not doing all the work of watching some hour long video that is likely as bad. this is actually pathetic. you wont even watch the video yourself but you are somehow able to claim that the video wasnt censored because the video was likely bad and therefore wouldnt qualify as being censored. also you still ignore the fact that just because a random individual was able to gain access to the video, or a copy of the video, it doesnt mean that there wasnt an censorship attempt on the original. i watched the video from the webarchive link razyda provided. so yes, the link was legitimate and its very clear that the original video (the webarchive link) is not available anymore. its also very clear that the video you linked was also not the original. is the video 100% factual? i dunno. theres some things in there that only other experts would be able to verify. does it look like a 2-bit anti vax propaganda production? no. ive seen videos with much worse production quality and controversial content that stayed up on youtube. once i again i admit that i only watched half, but i consider what i saw to be enough to conclude that the video brings up legitimate points and concerns. im not going to definitively say that youtube wrongfully removed the video and this is a case of blatant censorship, although it does look that way more now that ive seen the video. i will say that your approach to countering razydas point is full of shit though. a complete lack of scientific process in your analysis and you somehow end up with the conclusion that either: 1. the video wasnt censored because people on tl have clearly seen it 2. the video was probably full of shit and was deservedly removed from the platform. why comment on someones post if youre not going to put even the slightest bit of effort into checking whether the claim is correct? youre doing the same thing serm did. attacking someone you consider to have an opposing agenda to you without even reading wtf they said. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On November 13 2022 14:34 JimmiC wrote: I claim it was not censored because I found it 5 seconds and you easily watched it. I did not wat it for the ssme reason i did not read most of yout post no interst and you got so much fatally wrong right off the hop. yeah people in china could find anti-ccp news too. surely theres no censorship in china then. why dont you just admit that you were stupid enough to post a link thinking that your link was the original and when you got called out on it you doubled down because you were more interested in posting a rebuttal to razyda than actually checking your own link. you just look even more stupid now when you flat out say you wont watch the video yourself or even read my posts because "youre not interested". why are you even commenting then | ||
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On November 12 2022 17:51 RKC wrote: Which chess commentator? Not being a fact-checking police. Just genuinely curious as a chess fan. . Pretty big channel with over a million subs, Agadmantor.Around July 2020. | ||
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On November 13 2022 16:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Pretty big channel with over a million subs, Agadmantor.Around July 2020. I love that channel during big tournaments, he does long videos including long and complicated alternative lines extremely quickly (using engines, ofc, but still.) This story is really about the limitations of AI, I would not put too much anti WOKE politics into it, even if it can be tempting. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On November 14 2022 00:43 JimmiC wrote: Go back and read my post. If you can soure the video, on the same site, with the same title what is to complain about. You great critical thinkers also seemingly missed the post about his "proof" also not having the links work. Think it could maybe not be true either? And again its been around since before the other was cancled why doss it have no views? Why are not all the peoplenot watching it? AND should it even be up or is it full of shit? So many conservatives like to whine about the dumbest shit because you have a victim mindset and for some really weak reasom you want to be seen as victims and get to claim victimhood. Then in your next breath you want to claim to be tough and that other people are are weak for not letting you be racist or hateful. My original post is still correct, it was super easy to find. Generally the point of censorship is to stop people from seeing something. To the china thing, do not be naive and ignorant. Not only is it hard to find the outside news but there is actual severe consequences to post and even watch it. It is crazy disrespectful and why people not in the rabbit hole of disinformation find that ignorant bunch so pathetic. Edit: If I put up a music video and then it is taken down, but the same title and content is still still available at youtube should I come on here and claim censorship? so youre tripling down on a random mirror being proof that the video isnt censored? you are something special. you laughed at its view count and lack of comments and youre wondering why that particular video hasnt been taken down yet? who do you think moderates youtube? deepmind? the people at youtube probably dont even know that particular mirror even exists. that doesnt mean they wouldnt try to take it down if they knew, as they already have with the original. your argument that a mirror simply existing on the platform is evidence that the video isnt being censored is ridiculous. i would have expected a more intelligent position from someone like you. seemingly missed the post about his "proof" also not having the links work the webarchive link works. this has already been stated in the thread. no shit the actual youtube link isnt going to work, the video has been removed from the platform. AND should it even be up or is it full of shit? you would know if you watched the video. again, if youre not even going to bother to check the video in question why are you even commenting on the issue of censorship. So many conservatives like to whine about the dumbest shit because you have a victim mindset and for some really weak reasom you want to be seen as victims and get to claim victimhood. Then in your next breath you want to claim to be tough and that other people are are weak for not letting you be racist or hateful. wtf does this have to do with anything? is this even aimed at me? i dunno where conservatives, victimhood and all the other stupid shit in this paragraph comes to relevance. im actually confused as for the china analogy. i think the analogy is still good. something doesnt have to be difficult to find for it to be censored. censorship also does not exclusively apply to situations where the repercussions are jail time. the very fact that someone has attempted to suppress you is censorship, no matter how hard or easy they made it or how successful they were. youtube has clearly attempted to stop its users from watching the video. so yes, your logic that a single mirror still being found on youtube doesnt amount to censorship is like saying a cnn newspaper found in china is proof that cnn isnt censored in china. On November 14 2022 01:03 JimmiC wrote: I know its hard when you have the extreme need to feel victimized. But if I library removes one book and puts out the new copysame book with the same title, new cover updated cover. And none of you even bothered to look anything up just instant cry about what poor victims you are. It is too bad you chickened out on all the ban bets I offered you about your early covid "facts" , that are now "theorizing" or we could all enjoy a nice break from your quality posting. i know this wasnt a response to me, but based on the incoherency of your response to me + the incoherency in this post, i can only assume that you are drunk at the time of posting. ill give you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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the webarchive link is literal proof of razyda's claim. its literally staring you right in the face if you would just open the link. again, i dont know wtf victimhood has anything to do with this discussion. i also dont know why you seem to quote me but address multiple posters? i speak for myself only and again, whether something is censored and whether people are persecuted are completely separate issues. they are exclusive of each other. there doesnt have to be 'suffering' for there to be censorship. maybe you dont realise yet how stupid you look when you continually refer to the video as "awful", yet you havent even watched a single minute of it. i personally could not care less about the video. im not getting worked up because of the contents of the video, im arguing against how flawed your argument against razyda was. its the exact kind of low quality shit argument that contributes nothing because all of it was either false or based on flawed logic, and it wastes the time of everyone who tries to read this thread. imagine seeing pages of unread posts only to find most of it was filled with this kind of junk. i struggle to follow the us pol megathreads for the same reason. trying to catch up on pages only to find that more than half of the posts is just people flinging shit at other posters they dont like is a huge waste of time. you want to argue against razyda's censorship claim, then agree on the basic facts and watch the damn video at least so you can decide whether the content of the video warranted removal. | ||
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WombaT
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Razyda went to the effort of finding the particular thing on web archive. Seems pretty clear it was pulled, as to why I don’t know. Conversely, at a time where Hunter Biden’s laptop was trending on Birdbook, amongst others, claims of suppression seem somewhat bogus given the overall story is out in the public domain, and those curious can find it. So in that case, I think claims of ‘you can’t talk about this’ are bogus. But in this very specific instance it seems pretty indisputable that this video did get pulled, and prior to being pulled had a lot of traffic. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On November 14 2022 01:35 JimmiC wrote: LOL the irony, You do not even know why it was taken down. Maybe it was a copyright or trademark or who knows why. You have jumped to a ton of conclusions. Many of them becoming disrespectful to people with actual issues. But keep feeling like you are on some high horse, soon you can join the group that always feels victimized. Why would I respond to multiple people, because they respond to me? You want a private discussion head to PMs, I'm happy to answer there as well. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6395024?hl=en#zippy= No one has ever not been able to see this video (that no one apparently wants to watch). i take back what i said about that post being my last. https://www.oraclefilms.com/safeandeffective "The documentary was removed from YouTube on 26th October 2022 under the pretext of alleged "medical misinformation." you should know, you referred to the line directly under it, when you laughed at the numbers. who am i being disrespectful to? be specific please. also ive been pretty much the only one engaging with you on this topic. aside from 1 post each from razyda and bj, its all me. so dunno why youre name dropping them in responses to me, and then saying that those parts were actually meant for them. seriously, are you drunk? | ||
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