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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46502 Posts
On February 10 2022 20:52 Slydie wrote: It is not unehard of to be concious about not passing the virus to others while not wanting to be vaccinated themselves. I still have not caught COVID as I know of, but the main reason has been others cancelling events when they expected they had it, one of them was unvaccinated by choice. I am starting to believe some common sense is all we need for future waves, no need for exaggerated mandates based on incomplete information made by control-hungry politicians. I'm not talking about mandates vs. choice. My question is about why someone wouldn't care about vaccination status, because Razyda said they didn't care. The only reason that I can think of, for such a stance, would be having the opinion that being vaccinated or being unvaccinated doesn't matter, but I was curious if there was perhaps a different reason. There's a difference between saying "Hey, I think you should be vaccinated, but at the end of the day, it's your call" and "Hey, I literally don't care about whether or not you're vaccinated". Razyda stated a preference for the latter, not the former, and I'm wondering why. | ||
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tavop
6 Posts
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Slydie
2013 Posts
On February 10 2022 22:52 tavop wrote: I'm lucky, but COVID hasn't impacted my life. Yet. How is that even possible? Have you lived on the South Pole for the last 2 years or something? When I said "mandates", I didn't only mean vaccines, but also quarenteenes, tests, masks, distance, social gatherings and all other perfectly normal things which have became punishable crimes by law. In a few years, I thing we will look back at this time in disgrace, disgust and disbelief. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22647 Posts
On February 11 2022 08:25 Slydie wrote: Yes, I would hope our children look back at this and wonder wtf people were thinking when they refused to comply with health and safety instructions during a pandemic.How is that even possible? Have you lived on the South Pole for the last 2 years or something? When I said "mandates", I didn't only mean vaccines, but also quarenteenes, tests, masks, distance, social gatherings and all other perfectly normal things which have became punishable crimes by law. In a few years, I thing we will look back at this time in disgrace, disgust and disbelief. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46502 Posts
On February 11 2022 08:28 Gorsameth wrote: Yes, I would hope our children look back at this and wonder wtf people were thinking when they refused to comply with health and safety instructions during a pandemic. Agreed. I'd like to think that each new generation becomes both a little less selfish and a little more pro-science. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
On February 11 2022 08:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Agreed. I'd like to think that each new generation becomes both a little less selfish and a little more pro-science. I’d like that to be my takeaway but given what I’ve seen the last 2 years I’m a tad pessimistic. | ||
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Razyda
1059 Posts
On February 10 2022 21:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm not talking about mandates vs. choice. My question is about why someone wouldn't care about vaccination status, because Razyda said they didn't care. The only reason that I can think of, for such a stance, would be having the opinion that being vaccinated or being unvaccinated doesn't matter, but I was curious if there was perhaps a different reason. There's a difference between saying "Hey, I think you should be vaccinated, but at the end of the day, it's your call" and "Hey, I literally don't care about whether or not you're vaccinated". Razyda stated a preference for the latter, not the former, and I'm wondering why. Bolded - because I really dont, similarly as I dont care what faith they are, or if they Labour/Conservative voters or if they prefer automatic over stick, or shooters over rts. Everyone have their own reason for those and it is simply not my business what they are. Italic - there is couple of issues I have with this approach. First of all, whoever I'll be talking to is infinitely more aware of their circumstances than I'll ever be. Therefore they are way more qualified than I am to make this choice. This makes me saying "You should/shouldnt get vaccinated" an empty statement really, or rather declaration of the side rather than anything else. Second somewhat comes from first - let say that they take my advice and something goes awfully bad -thats on me. I am not the kind of person who would go "oh, well sucks for him/her" and carry on with my life. I simply dont have enough knowledge/information to take on such responsibility. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Razyda
1059 Posts
On February 11 2022 09:18 JimmiC wrote: What are the reasons that one shouldn't get vaccinated? First one off the shelf then: "severe allergies to all currently available vaccines" now, my sweet prince, are you absolutely sure that no one, who read your opinions, had those? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46502 Posts
On February 11 2022 09:15 Razyda wrote: Bolded - because I really dont, similarly as I dont care what faith they are, or if they Labour/Conservative voters or if they prefer automatic over stick, or shooters over rts. Everyone have their own reason for those and it is simply not my business what they are. Italic - there is couple of issues I have with this approach. First of all, whoever I'll be talking to is infinitely more aware of their circumstances than I'll ever be. Therefore they are way more qualified than I am to make this choice. This makes me saying "You should/shouldnt get vaccinated" an empty statement really, or rather declaration of the side rather than anything else. Second somewhat comes from first - let say that they take my advice and something goes awfully bad -thats on me. I am not the kind of person who would go "oh, well sucks for him/her" and carry on with my life. I simply dont have enough knowledge/information to take on such responsibility. Thank you for the honest response. | ||
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Razyda
1059 Posts
On February 11 2022 09:49 JimmiC wrote: No I'm sure the .000001% of people who have those would wish the rest would get it and everyone (the like 50 people in Canada LOL) with that reason would qualify for an actual medical exemption and be treated at the pharmacy or hospital where they got the shot. How about other reasons, like yours? https://www.healthline.com/health-news/youre-probably-not-allergic-to-vaccines I was under the impression that if someone is quoting question they intend to answer it? Or did you accidently deleted your answer, and followed with something else? Just want to inform you that it made your post look somewhat unrelated. Italic - considering boldness of "I'm sure" I am assuming there is something behind your conviction? If you are "sure" (not pretty sure, or almost sure, but flat out "sure") that means you actually contacted every single one of them and asked the question? Would you mind to share, how were you able to get personal details of every single person in the world with certain medical condition, knowing nothing about them beside that particular medical condition? I find it quite fascinating really. My assumption may be wrong, that would make your words quite worthless though, so one would hope this is not the case. Bolded - Answer to this question (see this is how you do it - it has also hidden benefit of coming across polite) is quite simple really. I believed I didnt need it - it turned out I was right. It may have turned out differently, but it didnt, so I dare say for me it was correct decision. I am aware that for others that made the same decision as I did, things may have turned out differently - it doesnt make my decision wrong, it makes their decision wrong (while it may sound somewhat blunt, this is not my intention). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
I met up with my team's new hires, interns and a couple of old faces because we organized an in-office day for the first time in nearly two years. I forgot how nice the casual office interactions are. I wouldn't want to go in every day, but I've forgotten the feeling of just chatting with people, instead of just dropping messages in Teams/Slack. I love working from home, but maybe one office day every other week is perfect for me. For everything work-life balance that's changed in the pandemic, maybe it's a little too far in favour of life at home. It was probably the shortest feeling workday I've had in a long time, and one of the happiest ones. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 11 2022 11:48 Lmui wrote: Well, I went back to the office for the first time in 2+ years today. I met up with my team's new hires, interns and a couple of old faces because we organized an in-office day for the first time in nearly two years. I forgot how nice the casual office interactions are. I wouldn't want to go in every day, but I've forgotten the feeling of just chatting with people, instead of just dropping messages in Teams/Slack. I love working from home, but maybe one office day every other week is perfect for me. For everything work-life balance that's changed in the pandemic, maybe it's a little too far in favour of life at home. It was probably the shortest feeling workday I've had in a long time, and one of the happiest ones. I've definitely went through quite a few different working arrangements in the past three years due to changing policy: 1. Fully in the office on a daily basis. 2. Mostly in the office, with some flexibility to work from home when convenient. 3. In the office half the time with assigned days, remote the other half. 4. In the office half the time with some flexibility to choose when to be there. 5. Fully remote. My opinions have shifted a bit over time, and obviously maskless is far more pleasant than masked (despite the grandstanding of "mask is not a big deal" that many do), but I have to say that working remote isn't something I like to do all the time either. It's a lot easier to get things done in person, and with a lot more built-in social context to help move things along, than when you're stuck in a full remote environment. Granted, the other side of it is that I feel absolutely drained by a bad commute or even just a long one, so remote does have its benefits. In other words, and maybe this isn't surprising, but it looks like the flexibility to do which one is more convenient to me is more beneficial than just always being at home. 2 & 4 work really well, 1 & 5 are tolerable but suboptimal, and 3 is by far the worst arrangement. I'm not exactly sure what to make of that since any flexible arrangements are by far the most logistically convoluted, but it's an interesting observation of what works and what doesn't. | ||
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Razyda
1059 Posts
On February 11 2022 11:31 JimmiC wrote: I dont understand your first paragraph. I was asking tge reasons someone shouldnt. You brought up one super obsecure reason that effects almost no one and kills a number so small most people would consider it zero. I thought with so many people against it you have a whole bunch of reasons that were realistic concerns for people, hopefully at least on par with the downsides of not. Im sure that its a good idea to go all in with a pair of aces pre flop, but Im also not going to be right 100% of the time every time. If I was 100% sure, or thought every single one was, I would have wrote that and then your word play burn would have made more sense. I mean technically yes, the same way it is for a guy who pushes all in with 2, 7 offsuit and wins the pot. The thing is when making public policy or a series of decisions making a choice that works out badly more of the time will negatively outcome the system. The same way that even if you won that pot with the 2 7 offsuit it would still be a bad decision to do it again and worse the more times you plan on making it. So when you are the government and you are considering millions of hands instead of just 1 you dont take that risk because with huge numbers there is consistency instead of randomness. This is basically the why government makes all health and safety rules. https://www.britannica.com/science/law-of-large-numbers Are you going to start a movement to halt all vaccine requirements? Because most places have a lot but Brazil has tons! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy Honestly what you dont understand?? I answered your question and asked a question - you quoted it and didnt answered, twice now. Oddly this "obscure reason" is on Government website as medical exemption. I am guessing you will be contacting them, explaining that they should take it down? Italic - this is borderline psychopathic. Bolded - contrary to you I tend to speak only for myself, if you want to know reasons others have. you will have to ask them. I also somehow believe that for people with those conditions this concerns are actually very real. You may of course prove me wrong - please speak with them and explain that they should take vaccine anyway, because even if they die there is so few of them, that it doesnt matter. Let me know how that went... Italic 2 - what kind of nonsense is that? I was told that words in English have a meaning attached to them and native speaker of average intelligence should be able to express themselves with precision. You used the word "sure" without any reservations. I'll try to simplify it to you - if you go to shop and ask for brick you get 100% of brick - not 75% or 5% of it. Even your example is wrong. "Sure" that going all in with rockets preflop is good idea is correct, however the situation you referring to is you being sure that you win every time. I dont see how rest of your post is related to my initial post you quoted? Then you ended your post with miserable attempt at mockery, which is well... miserable. Also are you absolutely sure you took vaccine you needed rather than wanted? Really, judging by how Aggravated you get, it would not Be unreasonable, If it Effectively turned out, that you Should get different vaccine. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12022 Posts
On February 11 2022 09:49 JimmiC wrote: No I'm sure the .000001% of people who have those would wish the rest would get it and everyone (the like 50 people in Canada LOL) with that reason would qualify for an actual medical exemption and be treated at the pharmacy or hospital where they got the shot. How about other reasons, like yours? https://www.healthline.com/health-news/youre-probably-not-allergic-to-vaccines You are doing percentage maths incorrectly here. 1/760000 = 0.0000013 = 0.00013% Don't forget that % already means 1/100. Doesn't change anything about your argument, but still don't do that. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On February 02 2022 20:06 Geisterkarle wrote: Ok! How about, what people think, that quite a few countries are thinking about dropping Covid restrictions? Or have already dropped, like Denmark: > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60215200 Well, DarkPlasmaBall, I tried! But people still want to talk about vaccinations  So half-way around that and to the argument of not getting vaccinated because of allergies. I read an article about a woman that can't wear masks! (I can't find the old article, this one is in a similar direction (German) https://www.merkur.de/lokales/bad-toelz/bad-toelz-ort28297/corona-bad-toelz-maskenpflicht-attest-erlebnisse-90030391.html ) If you were to force her to wear one, I hope you have emergency service on speed dial, when she falls to the ground hyperventilating and getting shakes! Of course she has an official document to proof that. But do you think, people care? Because of all the aggression and hate she got, she basically can't go anywhere. Luckily some friends buy things from the supermarket for her. I'm not sure how many "fake" medical certificates are around, but there are people out there where it is real! The can't wear masks! Or the can't get vaccinated! So maybe not hate all of them at first sight! | ||
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