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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
July 29 2020 08:39 GMT
#801
On July 28 2020 09:20 GoTuNk! wrote:
Long Live Bitcoin, best investment I will ever make


I bought in the 200s

Will sell them all at 100k

as a technical trader, though, I think we go to 2k or so before 100k

not financial advice
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 29 2020 12:21 GMT
#802
I'm curious why people think bitcoin will have value when the economy collapses. Mining bit coin is inefficient energy wise and it is all spent on solving pointless hashes. Seems to have no place at all in a scarcity future.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11490 Posts
July 29 2020 15:10 GMT
#803
A question: Why do a lot of people write something like "not financial advice" into their every post? Are there laws in the US that would make you more or less liable for stupid decisions people make based on a post in a forum depending on if you wrote that or not?

I think it should be pretty clear that everyone here are just people talking on a forum, not professionals giving professional advice.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4751 Posts
July 29 2020 15:24 GMT
#804
We're dealing with people who have extremely good moral compasses here, Simberto. They absolutely do not want to be responsible for people listening to what they made their 100k profits on, them trying to copy the strategy and then losing all of their savings, house, loved ones, pets, belongings and, ultimately because they don't have anything left to trade in for food, their teeth.
Taxes are for Terrans
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16679 Posts
July 29 2020 16:09 GMT
#805
On July 30 2020 00:10 Simberto wrote:
A question: Why do a lot of people write something like "not financial advice" into their every post? Are there laws in the US that would make you more or less liable for stupid decisions people make based on a post in a forum depending on if you wrote that or not?

I think it should be pretty clear that everyone here are just people talking on a forum, not professionals giving professional advice.

KelianQatar was a professional day trader for several years and now publishes a financial advice newsletter with her sister-in-law. i think the newsletter has roughly 5,000 paid subscribers.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
July 29 2020 16:29 GMT
#806
On July 30 2020 00:10 Simberto wrote:
A question: Why do a lot of people write something like "not financial advice" into their every post? Are there laws in the US that would make you more or less liable for stupid decisions people make based on a post in a forum depending on if you wrote that or not?

I think it should be pretty clear that everyone here are just people talking on a forum, not professionals giving professional advice.


We live in a very litigious world right now and you will see disclaimers for financial advice as well as health advice. I find that some people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions much less their own lives. My subscribers must sign a waiver in order to have access to the content in my news letter.

And as a free bit of financial advice: ALWAYS CYA!! :D
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42548 Posts
July 29 2020 16:53 GMT
#807
It's something that accredited professionals who do provide professional advice for money do when not acting in that capacity. It's like saying "I'm a lawyer but I'm not your lawyer".
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21966 Posts
July 29 2020 19:26 GMT
#808
As long as the dollar goes down gold and bitcoin go up it's that simple imho.
Don't see how bitcoin can be worth more than actual precious metals. Betting on a crisis in commodity derivatives next.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-03 11:04:50
July 29 2020 23:57 GMT
#809
Long euro/usd i am thinking for fundamental reasons. 1-3 year timeframe target 1,40-1,70
Thought behind this idea:The usa beeing more agressive with their printing then europe which is still somewhat conservative thx to germany (even though germany did losen up a bit recently).
All currencys are under pressure but some more then others.

Maybe it would be best to wait till after the election and see how that plays out first,there is no rush with this idea.

Stockmarket going to crash again,not sure when but at the latest in the 1-2 months after the election.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
August 18 2020 05:04 GMT
#810
So thinking about a bit of a yolo play, wondering if you guys had any thoughts... Hear me out:

Movie Theatres

Particularly in Canada, quite a few Canadians posting here, so thought it'd be a good place. Cineplex (CGX) for example, 160 locations, market cap of 500mil, still think it's a bit high, but say an entry at the $4-$6 level.

I felt the airlines, cruises, and whatnot had a lot more attention on them, and were pumped a bit more than their true valuation if that's even a thing. But there's a lot of fear that nobody will go to the movies anymore, production studios put everything on hold... Idk. It's tough for me to imagine a world without movie theatres, it's like bowling alleys, it's just a thing people like to do sometimes. Cable has been around for a long time and revenues on movies have still been there.

To me the big risk is they declare bankruptcy, and some other company buys them out and the shareholders are screwed. I know for most people it's one of those don't touch with a 10 foot pole type stocks, just trying to find some medium term (5 year stocks with potential)... I think energy is a big one, I think financials is another big one.

I don't like technology, my gut says that's not sustainable for too much longer. There's some industries where the fear is warranted, but some that the fear overshoots what the industry is actually facing. Idk, maybe everyone will become a lot less outdoorsy and technology will be 99% of life, and in that sense, the tech valuation makes sense... And it's just old farts like me thinking that VHS tapes and theatres will still be around.

It's interesting though, I thought I had a good idea about what the world would look like after COVID, and where we are trending to at what rate, but when it comes to put my money on it, I begin to doubt myself and try to rationalize every perspective.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17971 Posts
August 18 2020 06:53 GMT
#811
Movie theaters are a bit like airlines, but without the safety net of governments bailing them out if they are on the brink of bankruptcy. In that sense they're like hotels or travel agents: when all of this is over, there will be hotels, travels agents and cinemas, but which companies survive the still ongoing crash is hard to predict. And while the French government is bailing out Air France specifically, I doubt Pathe will be given a cent beyond the regular emergency measures that are available for all companies. So to invest in Pathe, you need to not only trust movie theaters will eventually bounce back, but that Pathe has the financial reserves to survive the crisis.

Substitute Pathe for any other large cinema operator.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1057 Posts
August 18 2020 07:22 GMT
#812
I don’t believe for a second that this pandemic is the end of movie theaters. For the foreseeable future, there will still be something special about watching a new movie on a giant screen with a group of people. It’s an experience just like going to watch a live sport when you could just see it from home on TV in a more comfortable chair and a better view of the action.

Having said that, I would expect some bankruptcies. AMC (a large theater company in the US) lost more than $5/share last quarter, lost $20/share two quarters ago, and is expected to lose over $3/share the next one. Hard to see how they stay in business without a bankruptcy reorganization, but maybe they’ll survive and be a bargain... price is low, but seems kinda high for a company on the abyss.

Too risky for my taste, but there could be some good returns if things work out.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2020 16:22 GMT
#813
So, tech and gold are doing well. Airlines and related companies have given up most of their brief-but-exuberant gains. S&P500 is back to February levels and NASDAQ is better.

I guess people really like "safe haven" assets right now? Makes sense, all things considered.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-23 00:40:25
August 23 2020 00:37 GMT
#814
On August 23 2020 01:22 LegalLord wrote:
So, tech and gold are doing well. Airlines and related companies have given up most of their brief-but-exuberant gains. S&P500 is back to February levels and NASDAQ is better.

I guess people really like "safe haven" assets right now? Makes sense, all things considered.


To me everything is fairly logical too, I don't really consider them safe havens.

COVID economic impact is a lot smaller than it's made out to be, because we're trying to make it socially a really big thing.

The US is printing 80B / month, and it was up to 75B / day sometime in April iirc, so what are you supposed to do with money? Inflation happens, so no point keeping it in cash, bonds, no thanks... I guess real estate, but prices don't seem like they dropped much, not sure if it was mortgage deferral keeping people afloat, but regardless there wasn't that same dip to buy that the stock market had. I think people are more are more realizing that tech is in every aspect of their life, Covid maybe exemplified it a bit, but I don't think the valuations are absurd. I'm slowly coming to that realization after thinking we're heading towards 1999 again, but imo they're very different circumstances.

Everything is slowly trending up, even airlines, O&G, entertainment, nobody knows what happened in June 8th, but if you regard it as noise in the long term graph, makes sense.

Anyway, when you're looking short term, the idea that SP500 is at 3400 isn't particularly impressive. It had a gain of 70% in the 4.5 years before covid, we lost 6 months, but if you extrapolate that 70% right before COVID started... Then SP500 at 6000 in 4 years doesn't seem absurd to me.

To me it's so silly buying precious metals as a store of value, or an investment, it's a hedge against an apocalypse, but not business cycles. I wonder how much is speculation, versus demand going up to use as a hedge.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21966 Posts
August 23 2020 03:16 GMT
#815
On August 23 2020 09:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:
To me it's so silly buying precious metals as a store of value, or an investment, it's a hedge against an apocalypse, but not business cycles. I wonder how much is speculation, versus demand going up to use as a hedge.


Even in an apocalypse they aren't much good. They are limited in quantity of which the apparant amount is imo distorted by futures and anyone can be the counterparty. If you want to sell stock you need a buyer which is something easily overlooked.

In the stocks worst case, in a banking crisis or similar you open up the portfolio and then place an order that just doesn't get executed while the price keeps going down as small specs get frontrun.

Same for crypto and gold futures/ETFs.

If I have physical metal and need cash I can walk to a sane bank, a mint or the national bank and sell it.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 23 2020 15:18 GMT
#816
On August 23 2020 09:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:
COVID economic impact is a lot smaller than it's made out to be, because we're trying to make it socially a really big thing.

The economy? That thing that just saw the biggest quarterly GDP drop in history despite a truly mind-boggling amount of money being pumped into it? Nah, that impact is exactly as severe as it looks.

The stock market impact has certainly been less-than-expected. Assuming you picked into tech, gold, or other stocks of similar growth profiles of course. Plenty of bad choices out there to lose money or flatline on.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-23 16:10:23
August 23 2020 15:42 GMT
#817
On August 24 2020 00:18 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2020 09:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:
COVID economic impact is a lot smaller than it's made out to be, because we're trying to make it socially a really big thing.

The economy? That thing that just saw the biggest quarterly GDP drop in history despite a truly mind-boggling amount of money being pumped into it? Nah, that impact is exactly as severe as it looks.

The stock market impact has certainly been less-than-expected. Assuming you picked into tech, gold, or other stocks of similar growth profiles of course. Plenty of bad choices out there to lose money or flatline on.


The GDP drop was large, but it was controlled. The government told people which business will need to shut down, and that they will borrow more money and pay them in the meantime. I mean it really was a mutual understanding of let's go into recession to potentially prevent the black death.

Almost all industries have been recovering since early April on the stock market, just not at 20% a month like AAPL (though with everything but tech you'd be down if you bought pre COVID).

Not too many posts people discussing their investments recently, but it's been so boring last couple months if you're a long term safe player, since COVID:

-Vfv going with SP500, so nice steady gains there, appreciating CAD dollar is hurting me a bit, was thinking about going with VSP instead, since the rate was 1.36 when I purchased. My gut feeling was that Canada had a much more f'ed future than the US, so we'll see how it plays out... Canada with practically no desireable goods on the international market and highest increases in debt due to the most generous COVID benefits which will surely increase tax rates in the future... Vs JPow. +$9000

-Suncor, T_T I feel like a bagholder on this one loaded up on margin, but my fellow Canadian TL'ers, fill up at Petro Canada please. Looking back, maybe CNRL has more of that imperialist buy everything as small companies are struggling that I was looking for... But... Actually idk, diamond hands now. Oil still has a future, nothing new being drilled right now, so supply will start running thin a few years from now. Seems like a 3-5 year play imo. -$18000

-Methanex... If there ever was such a thing as free money in the stock market, this would be it. Take a look and do your research on it. My exclusive TL tip. +$22000

-TD Bank, I think it provides the best services along with Rbc in Canada, and they have an effective marketing presence from what I've seen here. 70-75 dollar price in two years is what I expect, plus a juicy 5% dividend. +$6000
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 23 2020 18:04 GMT
#818
On August 24 2020 00:42 FiWiFaKi wrote:
The GDP drop was large, but it was controlled. The government told people which business will need to shut down, and that they will borrow more money and pay them in the meantime. I mean it really was a mutual understanding of let's go into recession to potentially prevent the black death.

Yeah no shit there was a lockdown - the questionable assertion is that it's all going to go back to normal when this is "over." Looking at the unemployment numbers and the financial headwinds on the horizon, it's hard to see that happening. But conversely, it's not hard to see why stocks get bid up from a big cheap-money injection (albeit much more heavily weighted towards tech & gold than most other sectors; lots are still down a lot since February), and then why some folks try to find economic justification for something that needs no more of an explanation than QE.

As for "how have my investments done" - yeah, you pretty much captured it. Up significantly from mid-March lows on a mix primarily of index funds and cash, but neither spectacular gains nor losses. Meh.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8980 Posts
August 23 2020 18:21 GMT
#819
Shoulda have hooped on that Kodak train! /s
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-23 18:51:12
August 23 2020 18:39 GMT
#820
On August 24 2020 03:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Shoulda have hooped on that Kodak train! /s


Lol, I tried putting a few grand into $15 Kodk put a month out when it was $35-$37, but my account wasn't configured for it. Haven't had the urge to buy options before that. I took a look because I do have a margin account with it options enabled, but the bid-ask spread seem really high, too small of a market in Canada.

I do enjoy visiting WSB, as well as the idea of selling covered calls on my positions, like 5-10% OTM with 30 day expiries, however hard to do on Canadian equities. But yeah, overall, going to r/wsb is not conductive to a healthy investing career haha. Those fuckers going from 20k to 500K in a week on Tesla, in what seems like every week. But yeah, I'm more numb to FOMO now. I sold a lot of my positions mid-May thinking thinking that the run-up was too quick, and when everything kept going up, I bought into Suncor like 4 days before that peak, so long term it won't be the biggest deal if the pick was good, but definitely felt that emotional FOMO feeling I reflected back on.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
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