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On August 08 2018 09:31 IyMoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 09:25 micronesia wrote:
When 2% is reporting there really isn't much point in looking yet. It might make sense when you compare their performance against their expected performance among that block of voters, but even then at 2% who cares. But you can look at places with a bit more and judge performance. Some counties have 15% in and are not breaking as hard for R as they have in the past. I just need my election fix so I am hitting refresh every 5 min
Link to where you're following it?
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On August 08 2018 09:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 09:31 IyMoon wrote:On August 08 2018 09:25 micronesia wrote:
When 2% is reporting there really isn't much point in looking yet. It might make sense when you compare their performance against their expected performance among that block of voters, but even then at 2% who cares. But you can look at places with a bit more and judge performance. Some counties have 15% in and are not breaking as hard for R as they have in the past. I just need my election fix so I am hitting refresh every 5 min Link to where you're following it?
In my orig post , but here you go again my friend
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/07/us/elections/results-ohio-special-house-election-district-12.html
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The breaks are now going for R. He is out performing where he needed to be good. So it is really going to be a game of turnout
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On August 08 2018 08:58 Mohdoo wrote:
One of these days I want me, GH and P6 to buy a bottle of Scotch and have some 5 hour discussion where GH tries to bring us into his fold. The three of us agree on a lot of stuff and then firmly disagree at certain points. I'd love to see a fully fleshed out discussion.
I think most of us agree with GH on a lot of issues.
The problem is that since the election he's become an incredibly arrogant ass about all of his opinions.
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On August 08 2018 06:54 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:49 Aveng3r wrote:On August 08 2018 06:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across. I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet. On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale. This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable. Progress is slow and painful, my friend. I think on a countrywide scale, we are trying to do better. well... Show nested quote +...who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom...who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. I'm honestly confused at how this can be brought up so many times and yet people say it like it's the first time it's been said.
Sorry you lost me, I skimmed 3 pages back and am not sure where the second quote came from and in what context?
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On August 08 2018 10:17 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:49 Aveng3r wrote:On August 08 2018 06:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across. I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet. On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale. This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable. Progress is slow and painful, my friend. I think on a countrywide scale, we are trying to do better. well... ...who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom...who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. I'm honestly confused at how this can be brought up so many times and yet people say it like it's the first time it's been said. Sorry you lost me, I skimmed 3 pages back and am not sure where the second quote came from and in what context?
The quote wasn't said. It is from an MLKjr speech.
In other news, a judge is subpoenaed the user who issued instructions on the Charlottesville rally.
Source
Couple of quotes
Doe's lawyer, Marc Randazza, tells NPR that it will be his client's decision whether to appeal but that he is inclined to recommend it.
"I don't like what my client had to say," he says. "I don't like my client's views. All you've gotta do is look at the username. ... But I have a more strong opinion that you have the right to do that. You have the right to be extremely right-wing. That's what America is. You have the right to be a raging full-throated Nazi if you want to be."
"Somebody has to stand up and say they have the right to do this," he says.
Spero, the judge, agreed that Doe has a right to anonymous speech but noted that this right is not unlimited. In this case, he said, "the importance to the case of disclosing Doe's identity outweighs any burden on this right."
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Some interesting facts are coming out from the Manafort trial about his money laundering methods. His income from his Ukraine work went into offshore accounts. Then, he took out loans in the US and didnt report his foreign income, so that he could avoid taxes. So loan were his method of accessing his money. On the same day that he stepped down from the trump campaign, he created a shell company that soon received loans from companies funded by oligarchs connected to Ukraine & Russia. It would have been very possible for those loans to simply be forgiven rather than actually paid back. In other words, the loan would be a method of payment to Manafort. Couple this with the fact that leaked emails show that, shortly before he stepped down, Manafort agreed to meet with his longtime oligarch Russian partner regarding proposals the oligarch had concerning the future of his country. I wonder what the loans (payments) were in exchange for?
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On August 08 2018 10:07 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 08:58 Mohdoo wrote:
One of these days I want me, GH and P6 to buy a bottle of Scotch and have some 5 hour discussion where GH tries to bring us into his fold. The three of us agree on a lot of stuff and then firmly disagree at certain points. I'd love to see a fully fleshed out discussion. I think most of us agree with GH on a lot of issues. The problem is that since the election he's become an incredibly arrogant ass about all of his opinions.
Personal attack aside, my tone is not without motivation.
On August 08 2018 10:17 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:54 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:49 Aveng3r wrote:On August 08 2018 06:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across. I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet. On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale. This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable. Progress is slow and painful, my friend. I think on a countrywide scale, we are trying to do better. well... ...who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom...who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. I'm honestly confused at how this can be brought up so many times and yet people say it like it's the first time it's been said. Sorry you lost me, I skimmed 3 pages back and am not sure where the second quote came from and in what context?
At least now I know why people hop in with the liberal equivalent of "did you even know Lincoln was a Republican?!" and are shocked when it get's treated like the grade school level argument it is, beyond being decades old and refuted as many times as it's been put forth.
People don't get to offer painfully ignorant opinions and whine when they aren't treated like they are novel or important arguments. They are the same tired crap we've heard (and have been notably crap) for decades.
It was his Letter from a Birmingham Jail btw, which if someone hasn't read it and digested it fully they should probably just keep their ignorant opinions to themselves or not whine about them being called out for being ignorant opinions.
On August 08 2018 08:58 Mohdoo wrote:
One of these days I want me, GH and P6 to buy a bottle of Scotch and have some 5 hour discussion where GH tries to bring us into his fold. The three of us agree on a lot of stuff and then firmly disagree at certain points. I'd love to see a fully fleshed out discussion.
It'd mostly just be me drinking your scotch and waiting for you to realize needing to be convinced is it's own indictment.
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On August 07 2018 06:24 Stratos_speAr wrote:
This whole thing with xDaunt trying to define nationalism reminds me of how the right condemns feminism for being "anti- Male" despite "equality" being an explicit part of it's definition.
I'd like to hear xDaunt's opinion on feminism, because the road to hypocrisy is incredibly clear here.
He unironically uses SJW. That probably answers your question.
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On August 08 2018 11:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Some interesting facts are coming out from the Manafort trial about his money laundering methods. His income from his Ukraine work went into offshore accounts. Then, he took out loans in the US and didnt report his foreign income, so that he could avoid taxes. So loan were his method of accessing his money. On the same day that he stepped down from the trump campaign, he created a shell company that soon received loans from companies funded by oligarchs connected to Ukraine & Russia. It would have been very possible for those loans to simply be forgiven rather than actually paid back. In other words, the loan would be a method of payment to Manafort. Couple this with the fact that leaked emails show that, shortly before he stepped down, Manafort agreed to meet with his longtime oligarch Russian partner regarding proposals the oligarch had concerning the future of his country. I wonder what the loans (payments) were in exchange for?
I posted an article earlier about Rick Gates being Guilty. But everyone just seems to talk about their and other political views, instead of what's currently going on. I could care less if xDaunt or Plansix are republican or democrat and why they are. I come here to get a good source of news, a discussion of whats current in US Politics, and had a place to listen to both sides. But as of late it's like everyone is just attacking or "debating" each others views.
And if you hate what "nazi's" preach, then I believe the next best thing to do is ignore them. Let them keep talking to themselves in their echo chamber. Stop giving them a reason to spew more of their bullshit. Literally ignoring them, and not allowing them a platform would do so much better than continuous discussion with people who literally don't change their mind. To me, it's a waste of time...
I think more than enough of us are smart enough to see through the bullshit, and I'm obviously referring to our online presence on this forum. Because I definitely have debates in person with people of other views all the time. Although, it's getting eerily similar to debating online where it's a waste of time. The only thing that will have results in this country is voting sadly.
On August 07 2018 06:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:Didn't see anybody talk about this in the past couple of pages, but Rick Gates just plead guilty to committing crimes under Paul Manafort. The affects of Mueller and his investigation seem to be having some action now. He says 15 foreign agents aren't registered. This must be part of his plea deal he took back in February. https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics/paul-manafort-trial-rick-gates-donald-trump/index.htmlShow nested quote +Rick Gates, the key prosecution witness in the tax and fraud trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, told jurors Monday he had committed crimes alongside -- and at the direction of -- his former partner.
Gates stated he and Manafort had 15 foreign accounts they did not report to the federal government, and knew it was illegal. Gates said he did not submit the required forms "at Mr. Manafort's direction."
The testimony from Gates, a former adviser to Donald Trump, comes after reaching a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller earlier this year to testify against his former partner in a lucrative international political consulting firm.
Manafort stared directly at Gates as he read aloud the details of his plea agreement, which could see him receive a reduced sentence, at the direction of a prosecution lawyer.
Gates did not make eye contact with Manafort as he took the stand wearing a yellow tie and navy blue suit.
As well as serving as Manafort's right-hand man in their multimillion-dollar business, Gates was also Manafort's deputy on the Trump campaign.
His testimony represents the biggest test yet for Mueller's investigation even though this case does not directly play into the issue of alleged cooperation by the Trump campaign in Russian election interference.
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attacking the other side and "debating" each others views IS current american politics. that's what the sides sound like when you listen to them.
actual thoughtful news and policy discourse is not.
Also, alot of news topics don't have much to say on them.
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Yea I edited that part, I meant online, on this forum. We already know pretty much where everyone stands. Idk how that drives "discussion" without attacking a person.
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Well the last few pages have been a mess. I kind of feel a very British need to apologise for my countryman's shittiness.
Just on a basic level; unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't - assuming BLM's ONLY BLACKS supposed agenda actually is what they want - the constitution's rule about non-prejudice essentially allow anyone BLM didn't explicitly back to just roll their way into the same benefits they'd scored for the African American community?
Even if BLM genuinely didn't give a fig about anyone with white skin colour, their activism would benefit those other groups anyway.
The whole thing reminds me of people who still peddle that feminists are anti-men because they promote improving women's causes.
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On August 08 2018 08:58 Mohdoo wrote:
One of these days I want me, GH and P6 to buy a bottle of Scotch and have some 5 hour discussion where GH tries to bring us into his fold. The three of us agree on a lot of stuff and then firmly disagree at certain points. I'd love to see a fully fleshed out discussion.
Would love to be there (mainly for the scotch)
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On August 08 2018 22:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea I edited that part, I meant online, on this forum. We already know pretty much where everyone stands. Idk how that drives "discussion" without attacking a person.
It doesn't. I mostly lurk these days because you know everyone is already set in their ways. Few are willing to give straight up answers and always seem to skirt around the topic. More often it seems, tongue in cheek mockery of individuals is becoming the norm. And I sense more warnings in the future.
I posted about the DC rally and two opposing views on the fight to free speech and privacy. With a link. Thoughts shockeyy?
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On August 08 2018 22:54 iamthedave wrote:
Well the last few pages have been a mess. I kind of feel a very British need to apologise for my countryman's shittiness.
Just on a basic level; unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't - assuming BLM's ONLY BLACKS supposed agenda actually is what they want - the constitution's rule about non-prejudice essentially allow anyone BLM didn't explicitly back to just roll their way into the same benefits they'd scored for the African American community?
Even if BLM genuinely didn't give a fig about anyone with white skin colour, their activism would benefit those other groups anyway.
The whole thing reminds me of people who still peddle that feminists are anti-men because they promote improving women's causes.
If you look at the civil rights act, that's essentially what happened. If one group gains enough of a momentum, then others will naturally join in and be included. But it seems that there are too many chiefs and not enough indians, pardon the phrase.
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On August 08 2018 22:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 22:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea I edited that part, I meant online, on this forum. We already know pretty much where everyone stands. Idk how that drives "discussion" without attacking a person. It doesn't. I mostly lurk these days because you know everyone is already set in their ways. Few are willing to give straight up answers and always seem to skirt around the topic. More often it seems, tongue in cheek mockery of individuals is becoming the norm. And I sense more warnings in the future. I posted about the DC rally and two opposing views on the fight to free speech and privacy. With a link. Thoughts shockeyy?
What page? I can't find it now, even after going through your posts, unless you meant the post a few replies above with the Charlottesville rally (doubt it)?
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On August 08 2018 23:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 22:57 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 08 2018 22:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea I edited that part, I meant online, on this forum. We already know pretty much where everyone stands. Idk how that drives "discussion" without attacking a person. It doesn't. I mostly lurk these days because you know everyone is already set in their ways. Few are willing to give straight up answers and always seem to skirt around the topic. More often it seems, tongue in cheek mockery of individuals is becoming the norm. And I sense more warnings in the future. I posted about the DC rally and two opposing views on the fight to free speech and privacy. With a link. Thoughts shockeyy? What page? I can't find it now, even after going through your posts, unless you meant the post a few replies above with the Charlottesville rally (doubt it)?
That's it. Posting on phone, so I'm keeping it as concise as possible. I wanted to talk about how DC is talking aboht providing private train cars with security so they can rally. And I find the person appealing her subpoena hilarious thinking that this is all to ruin her life.
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I find the person requesting Anonymity to be hilarious. You have a right to free speech, but that free speech doesn't mean you have a right to be anonymous or "private". Discord isn't a "private" space to chat in. Discord can and will release the names of these people, and I feel like the Judge will to. What's the point of free speech and pushing an agenda if you want to stay "hidden". That's the same "deep state" bullshit that they argue about so much.
Also advocating for violence in a public space imo warrants a "terrorist" label, doesn't matter what side you're on.
Also, I think it's wrong to give these people a means of "safety". The government should train in "antifa" then as well to make it even, but of course not.
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GOP Congressman just got arrested for insider trading. Yes he called for the end of the Mueller investigation.
Curious what implications this will have for the elections in Nov.
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