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On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across.
I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet.
On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale.
This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable.
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They fucking bombed them. Of course with the help of the FBI "the left" has been caping for since Trump got elected.
At 5:28 p.m., a satchel bomb composed of FBI-supplied C4 and Tovex TR2, a dynamite substitute, on a 45-second timer was dropped from a state police helicopter, detonating near the fortified pillbox on the roof of the house.
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On August 08 2018 06:40 GreenHorizons wrote:They fucking bombed them. Of course with the help of the FBI "the left" has been caping for since Trump got elected. Show nested quote +At 5:28 p.m., a satchel bomb composed of FBI-supplied C4 and Tovex TR2, a dynamite substitute, on a 45-second timer was dropped from a state police helicopter, detonating near the fortified pillbox on the roof of the house.
My point precisely. On top of that, as a white male who could throw a rock from his front porch and hit North Philadelphia, I never heard about this at all until I was well into my 20s.
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They don't teach that one in schools either, FYI. You get a firm talking to by the school admins if you send kids home with the knowledge the FBI fired bombed a black neighborhood.
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On August 08 2018 06:43 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:40 GreenHorizons wrote:They fucking bombed them. Of course with the help of the FBI "the left" has been caping for since Trump got elected. At 5:28 p.m., a satchel bomb composed of FBI-supplied C4 and Tovex TR2, a dynamite substitute, on a 45-second timer was dropped from a state police helicopter, detonating near the fortified pillbox on the roof of the house. My point precisely. On top of that, as a white male who could throw a rock from his front porch and hit North Philadelphia, I never heard about this at all until I was well into my 20s.
They tried to kill MLK, they helped kill Hampton, framed Elmer “Geronimo Ji Jaga” Pratt, and the list goes on. Apparently at some point they changed into a group of "good guys, that are generally honest" but no one has been able to point me to when or how that actually happened.
That or people have been caping for a terribly shitty organization just to stick it to Trump.
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On August 08 2018 06:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across. I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet. Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale. This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable.
Progress is slow and painful, my friend. I think on a countrywide scale, we are trying to do better.
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For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment.
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On August 08 2018 06:49 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:18 Artisreal wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. Now magnify this by a couple thousand and maybe then it becomes a little clearer why European posters are sometimes a lot more cautious about the rethoric used by {not just} extreme right wingers. Ww2 started about 79 years ago. Edit: oh, this is not directed at you in particular. Sorry if that didn't come across. I mean I've mentioned Tulsa several times, so I suppose I should mention Fred Hampton yet again because that was quite a bit more recent. Of course every time "Be more like MLK" come out I have to remind folks he was hated in his time and his reward for his politeness and non violence was a bullet. On August 08 2018 06:25 zlefin wrote:On August 08 2018 06:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
That Tulsa article from Wikipedia was disgusting. Apparently, the black community got collectively blamed for the riot in court by an all-white jury. I don't want to believe that this is only 87 years ago; to think that I met someone who was alive at the time (although they were not related to it at all) is deeply disturbing. yeah, lotsa bad stuff happens at times. very plausible for something like that to happen 87 years ago. Things have been getting better over time; though of course there continue to be incidents of varying scale. This is mealymouthed garbage. White people terrorizing Black people has always been a part of this country and it's now getting filmed and broadcast on national TV and they are kinda sorta holding a small fraction of them accountable. Progress is slow and painful, my friend. I think on a countrywide scale, we are trying to do better.
well...
...who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom...who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I'm honestly confused at how this can be brought up so many times and yet people say it like it's the first time it's been said.
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On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment.
Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism.
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On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism.
It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned.
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On August 08 2018 07:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism. It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned.
But it doesn't. People, you included, pretend they aren't a terrible organization without morals whenever they say something useful to an argument they want to push forward.
That's the crux of the gripe.
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On August 08 2018 07:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 07:04 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism. It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned. But it doesn't. People, you included, pretend they aren't a terrible organization without morals whenever they say something useful to an argument they want to push forward. That's the crux of the gripe.
You have always been prone to putting people’s views in neat little boxes for you to easily pack away.
I’m critical of the FBI, I just don’t share your complete distain for it.
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On August 08 2018 08:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 07:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 07:04 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism. It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned. But it doesn't. People, you included, pretend they aren't a terrible organization without morals whenever they say something useful to an argument they want to push forward. That's the crux of the gripe. You have always been prone to putting people’s views in neat little boxes for you to easily pack away. I’m critical of the FBI, I just don’t share your complete distain for it.
you should is what I'm saying. That's some pretty heinous shit to look past and say "but hey they do good work over here too".
edit: That said you do a better job than most here and elsewhere acknowledging the terrible existence of the FBI.
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On August 08 2018 08:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 08:00 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 07:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 07:04 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism. It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned. But it doesn't. People, you included, pretend they aren't a terrible organization without morals whenever they say something useful to an argument they want to push forward. That's the crux of the gripe. You have always been prone to putting people’s views in neat little boxes for you to easily pack away. I’m critical of the FBI, I just don’t share your complete distain for it. you should is what I'm saying. That's some pretty heinous shit to look past and say "but hey they do good work over here too".
And yet I don’t. At some point you are going to have to accept that though I agree with you on many topics, I choose not to articulate them in the same manner as you.
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On August 08 2018 08:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2018 08:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 08:00 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 07:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 07:04 Plansix wrote:On August 08 2018 06:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 08 2018 06:51 Plansix wrote:
For our non-American viewers, all the civil rights leaders were tagged as terrorists or communist by the FBI. They were treated like people trying to overthrow the country or straight up murder white people.
This is why most folks who care about civil rights roll there eyes at the coverage of BLM and peoples claims "they are trying to get special privileges." Like the cool privilege where to not get fired bombed by your own goverment. Or when they say pretty much anything, because at their core they are a terrible organization. They reside in a building named after the mastermind of that government sponsored terrorism. It can keep the name. The specter of Hoover can haunt the FBI for another hundred years as far as I’m concerned. But it doesn't. People, you included, pretend they aren't a terrible organization without morals whenever they say something useful to an argument they want to push forward. That's the crux of the gripe. You have always been prone to putting people’s views in neat little boxes for you to easily pack away. I’m critical of the FBI, I just don’t share your complete distain for it. you should is what I'm saying. That's some pretty heinous shit to look past and say "but hey they do good work over here too". And yet I don’t. At some point you are going to have to accept that though I agree with you on many topics, I choose not to articulate them in the same manner as you.
Is it a positional difference or a rhetorical one?
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One of these days I want me, GH and P6 to buy a bottle of Scotch and have some 5 hour discussion where GH tries to bring us into his fold. The three of us agree on a lot of stuff and then firmly disagree at certain points. I'd love to see a fully fleshed out discussion.
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When 2% is reporting there really isn't much point in looking yet. It might make sense when you compare their performance against their expected performance among that block of voters, but even then at 2% who cares.
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On August 08 2018 09:25 micronesia wrote:
When 2% is reporting there really isn't much point in looking yet. It might make sense when you compare their performance against their expected performance among that block of voters, but even then at 2% who cares.
But you can look at places with a bit more and judge performance. Some counties have 15% in and are not breaking as hard for R as they have in the past.
I just need my election fix so I am hitting refresh every 5 min
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