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Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway.
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What's one innocent man's life versus the infallibility of the lord of MAGA?
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I am enjoying this war between Trump’s appointees.
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It seems like Trumps latest last chance threats was a failure as another tanker has been hit. Hopefully the next last chance threat is more successful.
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On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway.
You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait.
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You are correct, I barely read anything you write and everytime I do I wish I hadn’t. Im not looking for your attention, just Oblade is a faster write than MAGA stooge and. Means the same thing to everyone here.
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On August 04 2026 11:50 Billyboy wrote:
You are correct, I barely read anything you write and everytime I do I wish I hadn’t. Im not looking for your attention, just Oblade is a faster write than MAGA stooge and. Means the same thing to everyone here.
You have to adult and be brave enough to read what people say to stop yourself from getting in avoidable situations where you claim they said things they didn't, that you just made up out of chronic MAGA hysteria.
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On August 04 2026 13:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 11:50 Billyboy wrote:
You are correct, I barely read anything you write and everytime I do I wish I hadn’t. Im not looking for your attention, just Oblade is a faster write than MAGA stooge and. Means the same thing to everyone here. You have to adult and be brave enough to read what people say to stop yourself from getting in avoidable situations where you claim they said things they didn't, that you just made up out of chronic MAGA hysteria.
Like being adult enough to answer "who won the 2020 election ?"
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On August 04 2026 13:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 11:50 Billyboy wrote:
You are correct, I barely read anything you write and everytime I do I wish I hadn’t. Im not looking for your attention, just Oblade is a faster write than MAGA stooge and. Means the same thing to everyone here. You have to adult and be brave enough to read what people say to stop yourself from getting in avoidable situations where you claim they said things they didn't, that you just made up out of chronic MAGA hysteria.
Finally you're right on something. One has to be extremly brave (or stupid) to actually read your drivel.
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On August 04 2026 04:14 KwarK wrote:
1. You're saying "it would take half a million soldiers" as if the US doesn't have that and the ability to deploy and supply them globally.
It does not. Which is why I said they have to use national guards and reactivate reservists to do it. So any invasion will be flagged months in advance as those troops get trained up. Then they would need Iraq to agree to be the springboard of the major invasion.
These things can be done but only by expanding the actual fighting force part of the military.
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On August 04 2026 19:21 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 04:14 KwarK wrote:
1. You're saying "it would take half a million soldiers" as if the US doesn't have that and the ability to deploy and supply them globally.
It does not. Which is why I said they have to use national guards and reactivate reservists to do it. So any invasion will be flagged months in advance as those troops get trained up. Then they would need Iraq to agree to be the springboard of the major invasion. These things can be done but only by expanding the actual fighting force part of the military. Broadcasting the invasion months in advance isn't a problem, Its not like Iran can launch a pre-emptive strike on the US. They can prepare, but they have been preparing for decades at this point.
As Kwark also mentions it would actually be beneficial as it shows Iran you are serious and forces Iran to the table in earnest negotiations to avoid their impending doom.
It would certainly be more effective then threatening Iran with total destruction and then cancelling as you claim Iran is looking to surrender only for Iran to publicly say "no we're not". And then repeat that a dozen times. (are we over a dozen yet? might be, its hard to keep track when it happens basically every weekend)
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On August 04 2026 11:06 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway. You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait.
Didn't you just say "FIX THE POOL" and then refuse to answer any follow up questions?
You might have also said "controversy lol" if I recall.
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On August 04 2026 19:32 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 19:21 Yurie wrote:On August 04 2026 04:14 KwarK wrote:
1. You're saying "it would take half a million soldiers" as if the US doesn't have that and the ability to deploy and supply them globally.
It does not. Which is why I said they have to use national guards and reactivate reservists to do it. So any invasion will be flagged months in advance as those troops get trained up. Then they would need Iraq to agree to be the springboard of the major invasion. These things can be done but only by expanding the actual fighting force part of the military. Broadcasting the invasion months in advance isn't a problem, Its not like Iran can launch a pre-emptive strike on the US. They can prepare, but they have been preparing for decades at this point. As Kwark also mentions it would actually be beneficial as it shows Iran you are serious and forces Iran to the table in earnest negotiations to avoid their impending doom. It would certainly be more effective then threatening Iran with total destruction and then cancelling as you claim Iran is looking to surrender only for Iran to publicly say "no we're not". And then repeat that a dozen times. (are we over a dozen yet? might be, its hard to keep track when it happens basically every weekend)
I think the problem here is that Iran has already demonstrated they're willing to negotiate in good faith. US on the other hand changes its mind every 5 minutes and even when they were to basically surrender to Iran - Israel stepped in and started fucking shit up again.
There can never be peace there if you have 3 parties involved of which only 2 are capable of actually making some sort of an arrangement for peace and one that is only interested in dragging one of the others into war.
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On August 04 2026 19:51 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 19:32 Gorsameth wrote:On August 04 2026 19:21 Yurie wrote:On August 04 2026 04:14 KwarK wrote:
1. You're saying "it would take half a million soldiers" as if the US doesn't have that and the ability to deploy and supply them globally.
It does not. Which is why I said they have to use national guards and reactivate reservists to do it. So any invasion will be flagged months in advance as those troops get trained up. Then they would need Iraq to agree to be the springboard of the major invasion. These things can be done but only by expanding the actual fighting force part of the military. Broadcasting the invasion months in advance isn't a problem, Its not like Iran can launch a pre-emptive strike on the US. They can prepare, but they have been preparing for decades at this point. As Kwark also mentions it would actually be beneficial as it shows Iran you are serious and forces Iran to the table in earnest negotiations to avoid their impending doom. It would certainly be more effective then threatening Iran with total destruction and then cancelling as you claim Iran is looking to surrender only for Iran to publicly say "no we're not". And then repeat that a dozen times. (are we over a dozen yet? might be, its hard to keep track when it happens basically every weekend) I think the problem here is that Iran has already demonstrated they're willing to negotiate in good faith. US on the other hand changes its mind every 5 minutes and even when they were to basically surrender to Iran - Israel stepped in and started fucking shit up again. There can never be peace there if you have 3 parties involved of which only 2 are capable of actually making some sort of an arrangement for peace and one that is only interested in dragging one of the others into war. Ofcourse, the correct answer is to not fuck this up during Trumps first term. But we're past that.
Then the correct answer is to not start a war with Iran on Israel's behalf. But we're past that.
I believe Kwarks point is that if your going to fuck up step 1 and 2 then the US could still have somewhat salvaged the situation by doing a real proper invasion with adequate preparation and support and win this dumb war, at great cost.
But we're past that aswell and now the US is suffering its biggest defeat since Vietnam, heck you can make a convincing case the Iran war might be a bigger defeat then Vietnam, not materially but for America's place within the world.
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On August 04 2026 19:37 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 11:06 oBlade wrote:On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway. You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait. Didn't you just say "FIX THE POOL" and then refuse to answer any follow up questions? You might have also said "controversy lol" if I recall.
If I said that, it sounds good so it's still my position.
Apparently they already drained it after July 4th and are still working on it. Did anyone know that or didn't it matter since the caring fad passed?
https://www.wvnews.com/newsfeed/us/aptopix-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool/image_32abb8fa-97af-5220-a276-385ef68badb5.html
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On August 04 2026 20:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 19:37 Geiko wrote:On August 04 2026 11:06 oBlade wrote:On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway. You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait. Didn't you just say "FIX THE POOL" and then refuse to answer any follow up questions? You might have also said "controversy lol" if I recall. If I said that, it sounds good so it's still my position. Apparently they already drained it after July 4th and are still working on it. Did anyone know that or didn't it matter since the caring fad passed? https://www.wvnews.com/newsfeed/us/aptopix-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool/image_32abb8fa-97af-5220-a276-385ef68badb5.html
Who won the 2020 election?
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On August 04 2026 06:51 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 05:38 Jankisa wrote:On August 04 2026 04:14 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2026 23:58 Jankisa wrote:On August 03 2026 21:12 KwarK wrote:On August 03 2026 16:46 Manit0u wrote:On August 03 2026 16:18 PoulsenB wrote:
The thing about the Russia-Ukraine war is that neither side has total air supremacy, nor an airforce comparable to the US. As the US already shown in this conflict, they can freely bomb targets in Iran, and I doubt that Iran can withstand a prolonged air campaign by the US. Of course, on the flipside Iran would instead retaliate against gulf states allied with the US, creating a whole new quagmire in the region. Russia had the air supremacy but it ended. And US can bomb only the targets it sees whereas Iran has moved a lot of its stockpiles and infrastructure underground. Bombing mountains is not very effective and bombing population centers doesn't get you a lot of goodwill around the world. Russia never had air supremacy, it was always mutual air denial. In terms of strategic air power the US has shown plenty of ability to collapse the entrances to missile bases and prevent them from firing for weeks. Couple that with seizing the administrative centres and you end up paying the salary of the guy driving the excavator. In terms of tactical air power the US ground operations to recover the pilot showed that if the US decides to kill anything that moves in a given area there isn't a whole lot Iran can do about it. How do you envision this invasion working, how many troops do you think US would need to actually take Teheran? Teheran is a city of around 9 million, Iran has around a million troops that they can field and arm, and approach to Teheran is extremely difficult for any invasion force. The closest US base to it is 600 KM away in Iraq, it's 150 KM from the shore of Caspian sea, but that's kind of naval landing is not an option anyway, given it's the Caspian sea. So what do you have in mind, a million or so paratroopers? How do they get re-supplied? How do you make sure that they aren't barraged by artillery and drones. Do you just get them to do a line like Russians did at Kyiv from Iraq and cross your fingers that Iran learned 0 lessons from that? It seems to me that you haven't really thought about this from an actual, practical perspective and it's mostly just vibe based. The only way I see it happening is a huge build up that includes the Saudis (famously a great army), Kuwait and everyone else they can rope into it + a very, very big US force, like half a million at least to be able to reach Teheran, and no matter how outgunned and outaired Iranians are, they are not stupid and they have been preparing for a ground invasion for 50 years, there would be extremely heavy attrition, it's just not doable and I've seen 0 military experts who suggested anything else. If you have a source on one who thinks that this would be doable, please do tell. 1. You're saying "it would take half a million soldiers" as if the US doesn't have that and the ability to deploy and supply them globally. 2. The Iranian Army is famously not a reliable part of the Islamic regime, that's why the regime systemically defunded and defanged it and retained the IRGC as an internal deterrent against the regime. 3. As for conventional threats (tanks/artillery/trenches/opposing regiments etc.), we saw exactly how they fared in Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom. In a conventional war, and this would be a conventional war, the US simply does not have a peer. And certainly not Iran which is using equipment that hasn't been updated since the 80s due to sanctions/collapse of the USSR. Again, we saw this in this very conflict. The Iranian surface fleet was all destroyed by US ships hundreds of kilometers away without ever getting a chance to launch a volley of their own. The Iranian Air Force was destroyed on day 1. Iranian missile forces got buried by stealth bombers cruising around Iran with impunity. 4. In a declared war we'd also expect to see the Iranian power grid and communications networks simply fail due to physical attacks (graphite bombs and the like) and cyberwarfare. The US capabilities in this area are also unmatched. We saw the US moonwalk into Venezuela, grab the president, and leave. 5. You're assuming that the army fights to the death. That's simply not what we've seen in any massively disproportionate conflict. Take Saddam's elite loyalist Republican Guard. Once it was clear that their side was definitely going to lose they simply went home and waited it out. Even loyal disciplined soldiers have very little interest in a dying to an enemy that they never got close enough to see. 6. You're ignoring that Iran is already essentially a nation under hostile occupation that had a widespread revolt earlier this year. The regime continues because it has a convincing monopoly on force. It's not actually that powerful within Iran, but the Iranian people are disarmed and unarmed protesters aren't especially eager to fight armed thugs. You don't need to pacify every city, you need to shoot any thug showing their faces. The US military is very, very good at conventional warfare. The Iranian military was a peer to Iraq in the 80s but has stagnated then. People look at the failures of the US military to build nations and conclude that the US military sucks but it doesn't suck at conventional warfare. And again, if the US actually opened this by posturing and deploying half a million people to the region then the Iranian government that was already willing to give up nukes in February will understand that you mean business. It's unlikely that they actually force you to invade if you make it clear that you're willing to. Iran’s intransigence is partially caused by the US making threats without telegraphing any interest in following through. 1. Iraq and Iran are not the same country, geography plays a very large role in how many soldiers and supplies you have, this is something I brought up repeatedly but you haven't addressed at all. Traversing through terrain in Iran to reach the population centers is much harder then in Iraq, Iran can blow up bridges that are absolutely necessary for that, this is why I said "like a million paratroopers", which you conveniently reduced by half. 2. Again, Iran is much more monolithic then Iraq was, and for Iranian military there is a big difference between not really loving IRGC and being loyal when it comes to siding with the population and defending against a mortal enemy trying to occupy your country, not comparable. 3. Again, look at how Russia fared, and they share a huge border with Iran, US is a bit further away. You are really stuck on comparing Iraq and Iran, these are very different countries, both terrain wise and population wise. 4. So? Iran's artillery and guns don't need electricity, for drones and uplinks they have generators, you can't just completely shut all of that down and walk into Teheran. US already tried a decapitation strike, succeeded and as you vehemently argued with oBlade it didn't really bring on a regime change, why do you think that even a super risky (again, geography) mission to get his son would yield better results? 5. See 1, 2 and 3, different countries, check out Iran Iraq war if you forgot about this one. 6. Yeah, every report I've seen is that IRGC consolidate power and the population rallied, as it does in every conflict around the flag, you are asserting things here that just aren't true. We are not in a disagreement on facts that US fumbled this, that if they were serious about regime change and actually forcing Iran to give up the nuclar program they would have needed to amass a much larger force ready to engage, but that is no longer a thing that can happen. Iran is readier then they were before, they are more entrenched then they were before and I believe you explained exactly 0 ways on how this supposed half a million US invasion would logistically work, or referenced any credible source who did so, as I asked. I’m not saying they could do it today. I’m saying they should have done it day 1, and kept Israel out of it. Kept the focus strictly on the massacres of protesters. Not a religious conflict, not a regional power struggle, a humanitarian intervention as part of a coalition focused on the Iranian people that uses force as a last resort. It’s pure hypothetical because we’re all agreed this was fumbled incredibly badly. The rest of the Iran hating Muslim world doesn’t want to join any Israeli led coalition, US allies elsewhere don’t want to join (and have been told not to by Trump repeatedly), and the message is Trump’s vanity and Israel’s revenge rather than anything to do with the protesters.
I think we are mostly in agreement over how stupid this whole thing has been in execution, I just think that we are quite far off on military matters, which is fine given that neither of us are experts in the field, but I would be genuinely curious if you actually did read/watch something from an expert that predicted that an invasion would go anything like Iraq did, mostly because I've been interested and subscribed to a bunch of sources since fulls scale invasion of Ukraine began and none of them think that a ground invasion would be anywhere close to as easy as you described it.
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On August 04 2026 20:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 19:37 Geiko wrote:On August 04 2026 11:06 oBlade wrote:On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway. You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait. Didn't you just say "FIX THE POOL" and then refuse to answer any follow up questions? You might have also said "controversy lol" if I recall. If I said that, it sounds good so it's still my position. Apparently they already drained it after July 4th and are still working on it. Did anyone know that or didn't it matter since the caring fad passed? https://www.wvnews.com/newsfeed/us/aptopix-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool/image_32abb8fa-97af-5220-a276-385ef68badb5.html
So on the issue of corruption and blatant lies to the American public, your official stance is still "FIX THE POOL" and "controversy lol" ?
Yes we know the pool is being fixed once again because the first time around, Trump's friends (the contractors that he chose in a No-bid contract with no prior experience for this type of job) completely botched the job.
What do you have to say on the matter of Trump lying about it and claiming they had to fix it again due to vandals ?
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On August 04 2026 21:03 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2026 20:42 oBlade wrote:On August 04 2026 19:37 Geiko wrote:On August 04 2026 11:06 oBlade wrote:On August 04 2026 07:45 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is about to fire Pirro for speaking the truth that the reflecting pool wasn’t vandalized. It doesn’t matter how long you go along with Trump, or how many lies you support, loyalty is a one way street with Trump and one step out of line, one moment of honesty and you are gone. You must support the lie no matter how stupid and obviously false it is.
Which to me is crazy because the oBlades will just jump to the next lie anyway. You have apparently never read anything I said about the reflecting pool which doesn't make for a good background to your "please give me attention oBlade" bait. Didn't you just say "FIX THE POOL" and then refuse to answer any follow up questions? You might have also said "controversy lol" if I recall. If I said that, it sounds good so it's still my position. Apparently they already drained it after July 4th and are still working on it. Did anyone know that or didn't it matter since the caring fad passed? https://www.wvnews.com/newsfeed/us/aptopix-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool/image_32abb8fa-97af-5220-a276-385ef68badb5.html So on the issue of corruption and blatant lies to the American public, your official stance is still "FIX THE POOL" and "controversy lol" ? Yes we know the pool is being fixed once again because the first time around, Trump's friends (the contractors that he chose in a No-bid contract with no prior experience for this type of job) completely botched the job. What do you have to say on the matter of Trump lying about it and claiming they had to fix it again due to vandals ?
Not only that, the obese orange clown who hates walking had to take his motorcade to drive over it when it was drained for the first time, contributing to the fucked state:
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HHwz5szXgAEEbUU.jpg)
But our loyal election denier oBlade here has not encountered an excrement spouting out of Trump's mouth that he didn't immediately lap up so of course he'll jump through many hoops to try to explain his lies.
Like a few months ago when he was explaining how vandalism is a very valid option:
https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5812#116225
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"theoretical rage taken from bluesky marching orders" is my favorite name for a progmetal album
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