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Still waiting on anything you have done that did make a real difference and would make you an ally, or even ally adjacent.
Just so you know, my initial post was not motivated by "but I am a good guy", it was "I might be shit, but I am leagues above you, so what does that make you?"
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On July 05 2026 04:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. + Show Spoiler +Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'.
He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. That's one reason and I appreciate you recognizing it and bringing it to people's attention. I'm sure there are more that people can come up with if they actually tried. If I was you guys I would google "why is woman/women preferred to female/females" one common thing that'll come up is that "female" can be dehumanizing. For example: If I say "this random space on the dog show floor is for females" am I talking about the dogs or the humans? Whereas if I say "this random space on the dog show floor is for women" don't you know immediately I'm talking about the women? No you can fuck right off, you don't get to claim credit for what other people do when you haven't said a damn thing yourself.
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On July 05 2026 04:10 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 04:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Does the term "female identifying" in an attempt to include trans women genuinely not immediately stand out to you as problematic for obvious reasons? No one (besides DPB who I'm hoping will elaborate)? I get stuck on : Did anyone ask you for your allyship on this issue, or are you just making it a trumpet you can blow to tout your own virtues? If noone asked you, that's not you being an ally, that's you being vanglorious. I'm certain that, if confronted with the issue by someone impacted by the issue, TL would happily reassess its stance on referring to them as "Female tournaments" because why wouldn't they. I haven't noticed SC2 tournaments being labelled "co-ed tournaments" despite being co-ed though I'm sure again if presented with a legitimate grievance TL would assess their stance.
I'm of the belief we're all impacted by the issues. But I basically see gender as a spectrum and don't personally subscribe to binary gender constructs (though they frequently come up in communication). I'm more of a queer peer than an ally in that way.
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now?
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On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now?
I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now...
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On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. .
As a rational adult, your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist.
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On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist.
Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo.
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On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions.
'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do.
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On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo.
Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively?
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On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively?
The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy.
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On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy.
Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s
EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now?
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On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s
I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended by your flimsy accusations, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud.
Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred.
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On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do.
Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else.
It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues.
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Norway28914 Posts
On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do.
I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive.
Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be.
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On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL.
If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem.
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On July 05 2026 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL. If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem.
But you aren't. You are a well established troll and shitposter. That is why you get this response. That and because you repeatedly demonstrated that you are disingenuous, harmful, and overall just a cunt when it comes to a topic I do care about and have made an effort in - unlike you.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now?
Fix what? Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way
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On July 05 2026 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL. If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem.
Hell lets run with your bullshit. If I was a women or trans person in gaming, and looked your posts, I would feel worried about women/trans people in gaming because I would not want to get represented by the likes of you, or even remotely associated with you.
I could do even better than that, I could survey some actual women in gaming and show them the last few pages of interaction, would that insight interest you? I won't offer showing it to my 1 trans friend though sorry, trans people have it hard enough already, I don't need to add this shit to it.
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On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' being a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be.
I don't think anyone is particularly "outraged" by that particular "microaggression" but I already mentioned the dehumanizing aspect and pointed out the obvious (maybe less so for people from elsewhere) problem with using "female identifying" as liquipedia's way of being trans-inclusive.
Would you refer to the participants in these "female tournaments" as "females" or would you call them "women"? Would you bother distinguishing the cis women from the trans women or just call them all women?
I didn't want to open this can of worms, but I'm also pretty sure there's a healthy contingent of people here and otherwise that believe referring to trans women as "females" or "female identifying" is just literally/scientifically/rhetorically incorrect.
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On July 05 2026 06:08 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL. If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem. Hell lets run with your bullshit. If I was a women or trans person in gaming, and looked your posts, I would feel worried about women/trans people in gaming because I would not want to get represented by the likes of you, or even remotely associated with you. I could do even better than that, I could survey some actual women in gaming and show them the last few pages of interaction, would that insight interest you? I won't offer showing it to my 1 trans friend though sorry, trans people have it hard enough already, I don't need to add this shit to it.
That could be interesting. Not sure if you saw but I had previously questioned you on how the women you’ve coached etc found the wider scene and if it was welcoming or hostile etc.
Not something I have much direct insight into over here sadly
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On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues.
On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be.
I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that.
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