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On July 05 2026 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' being a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I don't think anyone is particularly "outraged" by that particular "microaggression" but I already mentioned the dehumanizing aspect and pointed out the obvious (maybe less so for people from elsewhere) problem with using "female identifying" as liquipedia's way of being trans-inclusive. Would you refer to the participants in these "female tournaments" as "females" or would you call them "women"? Would you bother distinguishing the cis women from the trans women or just call them all women? I didn't want to open this can of worms, but I'm also pretty sure there's a healthy contingent of people here and otherwise that believe referring to trans women as "females" or "female identifying" is just literally/scientifically/rhetorically incorrect.
I personally would just call them players since they do be playing in the tournament, but apparently some genderqueer people are so focussed on not seeing gender that they can't fathom not mentioning it when talking about these players. Probably because they have to remind themselves of its existence since they can't see it. Do you feel the need to specify "male player" in an all male tournament as well? But I am glad to hear that we can finally score a W for my beloved german language as it is gendered so we just have "Spieler" and "Spielerin".
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On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way
Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players."
If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant.
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Northern Ireland27272 Posts
On July 05 2026 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL. If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem.
No, they aren’t buying ‘as a genderqueer person…’ as carte blanche to just avoid answering basic questions. Not as an erasure of identity. I would assume.
You chose to shit on a certain demographic, and completely dismiss anecdotal experience from several users, refuse to answer basic questions subsequently.
Don’t pretend you reluctantly opened this can of worms, you positively somersaulted into it and gave beaming smiles to the judges as they awarded you perfect 10s
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On July 05 2026 06:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 06:02 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:51 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:[quote] I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s + Show Spoiler +I already explained to you that what makes you the enemy is not what you say, but that you say it in the least productive way possible while seemingly having nothing to balance out this utter lack of diplomacy. You are a poser. The type that likes to "support" a cause as long as it fits the persona they fashioned for themselves and doesn't take any work.
I have no issue acknowledging that I have a lot of room for improvement. If I wanted to deflect or I was triggered, I would be defensive. The easiest one to pull would have been "sorry, not a native speaker / don't care about the non german scene". Instead I explicitly told you, the way you go about it makes it clear you have 0 interest in bringing any support to your cause, you do the opposite, and you can't tell me a single thing apart from shitposting on this forum that you've done to offset that. I am not triggered or offended, I am actually pissed off by people like you that do nothing but drag a good cause into the mud. Good luck hiding behind "help, I am a genderqueer person". + Show Spoiler +I am not in tune with that scene, but I bet any reasonable genderqueer person would look at this interaction and be like "man I wish he wouldn't drag our name in the mud by associating himself with us...".
Apart from me not even buying that shit, "I as a genderqueer person" + Show Spoiler +is just 1 level better than me pretending I can speak for all trans people because I have a single trans friend. That is also why people ask why YOU think female is a bad term to use there, not google. They didn't want what the search engine thinks, they wanted to understand you, as foolish of a desire that may be. If you want to speak for a whole group, you gotta bring out something that gives you cred. It's pretty damn obvious that if you can't even "buy" that I'm genderqueer (you guys know that's fucked up according to your own moral frameworks even if you hate me) that you're not going to "buy" whatever I tell you I do outside of TL. If I was a woman scared of exposing that fact in a place like this, that wouldn't be enough either, and that's a big part of the problem. Hell lets run with your bullshit. If I was a women or trans person in gaming, and looked your posts, I would feel worried about women/trans people in gaming because I would not want to get represented by the likes of you, or even remotely associated with you. I could do even better than that, I could survey some actual women in gaming and show them the last few pages of interaction, would that insight interest you? I won't offer showing it to my 1 trans friend though sorry, trans people have it hard enough already, I don't need to add this shit to it. That could be interesting. Not sure if you saw but I had previously questioned you on how the women you’ve coached etc found the wider scene and if it was welcoming or hostile etc. Not something I have much direct insight into over here sadly
I thought I answered that in here https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5831#116605 but that ended up a bit of a ramble tbh, and I am no longer sure if I hit the mark / understood the question correclty. I am happy to answer further questions, can also do PM if the thread should not be shit up more by it.
Tbh I am not sure if I really wanna bother asking them what they think about this discussion. For one, it has been incredibly stupid with some people making a genuine effort, but most of it just being GH being a troll and me getting fed up with him and screaming into the void, and I doubt that there would be much insight from it other than having a certified "voice of women"™ statement that GH is indeed worse than useless in their cause.
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Northern Ireland27272 Posts
On July 05 2026 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players." If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant.
Are 12/13 year olds women GH? Many would say no, hence ‘female’ can serve of a catch-all, although sure perhaps there’s baggage there.
I’m still awaiting your blueprint on how to make gaming more egalitarian moving forwards, considering how happy you were to shit on the efforts of myself and Artesimo in this regard, modest though they may be.
Fucking put up or shut up really, about as politely as I can put it.
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On July 05 2026 06:21 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:15 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' being a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I don't think anyone is particularly "outraged" by that particular "microaggression" but I already mentioned the dehumanizing aspect and pointed out the obvious (maybe less so for people from elsewhere) problem with using "female identifying" as liquipedia's way of being trans-inclusive. Would you refer to the participants in these "female tournaments" as "females" or would you call them "women"? Would you bother distinguishing the cis women from the trans women or just call them all women? I didn't want to open this can of worms, but I'm also pretty sure there's a healthy contingent of people here and otherwise that believe referring to trans women as "females" or "female identifying" is just literally/scientifically/rhetorically incorrect. I personally would just call them players since they do be playing in the tournament, but apparently some genderqueer people are so focussed on not seeing gender that they can't fathom not mentioning it when talking about these players. Probably because they have to remind themselves of its existence since they can't see it. Do you feel the need to specify "male player" in an all male tournament as well? But I am glad to hear that we can finally score a W for my beloved german language as it is gendered so we just have "Spieler" and "Spielerin".
I've yet to see a SC tournament where people didn't reference the gender of the players. Pronouns amirite? Though I hear not using pronouns is a thing in some leagues/games nowadays, which is cool and I'd like us to encourage that in SC tournaments. I'm sure plenty of us remember some of the growing pains casters/others had to go through regarding that when it came up more frequently.
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On July 05 2026 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players." If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant.
I think i get what GH is on about here. There is a very specific incel type usage of the word "female" as a noun that does indeed try to remove humanity from women, and which is indeed not acceptable. But that does not mean that any use of the word female falls in that category. For example, i do not think that this subtext is present when using female as an adjective, because there simply is no other adjective for this.
Especially not in languages which are not English, because i think it is quite likely that Artesimo coached a German team in German participating in German tournament, which probably used German words as descriptors, and thus used neither "female" nor "women", but might use words like "weiblich", "Frauen" or "Mädchen", depending on age.
I'd also like to mention that both "weiblich" (female) and "männlich" (male) are very standard descriptors of age groups and competitions in sports tournaments. For example, when i competed in track and field as a boy, i would participate in age groups like "MK U12" for boys below two years of age, while the girls i trained with in my club would compete in "WK U12" for girls below 12 years of age. Since we were a pretty small club, the training group was both gender and age inclusive, in my memory we were about 20 kids from maybe 8 to 15 or so.
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On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that.
This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female".
Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on?
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Northern Ireland27272 Posts
On July 05 2026 06:35 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players." If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant. I think i get what GH is on about here. There is a very specific incel type usage of the word "female" as a noun that does indeed try to remove humanity from women, and which is indeed not acceptable. But that does not mean that any use of the word female falls in that category. For example, i do not think that this subtext is present when using female as an adjective, because there simply is no other adjective for this. Especially not in languages which are not English, because i think it is quite likely that Artesimo coached a German team in German participating in German tournament, which probably used German words as descriptors, and thus used neither "female" nor "women", but might use words like "weiblich", "Frauen" or "Mädchen", depending on age. I'd also like to mention that both "weiblich" (female) and "männlich" (male) are very standard descriptors of age groups and competitions in sports tournaments. For example, when i competed in track and field as a boy, i would participate in age groups like "MK U12" for boys below two years of age, while the girls i trained with in my club would compete in "WK U12" for girls below 12 years of age. Since we were a pretty small club, the training group was both gender and age inclusive, in my memory we were about 20 kids from maybe 8 to 15 or so.
Interesting stuff, but you’re just doing GH’s work that he’s too lazy or intransigent to do
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On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on?
I think it is about the incel-style somewhat dehumanizing usage of "females" as a noun to describe women and girls. But i agree that i don't think this extends to female as an adjective.
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On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on?
Argument is fucking generous given he hasn’t really presented one outside of vagaries and sophistry.
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On July 05 2026 06:34 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does anyone want to keep them as "female tournaments" or can we just fix that right now? I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players." If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant. Are 12/13 year olds women GH? Many would say no, hence ‘female’ can serve of a catch-all, although sure perhaps there’s baggage there. + Show Spoiler +I’m still awaiting your blueprint on how to make gaming more egalitarian moving forwards, considering how happy you were to shit on the efforts of myself and Artesimo in this regard, modest though they may be.
Fucking put up or shut up really, about as politely as I can put it.
That's a reasonable objection. Are there any participants in those tournaments on this site to opine? TL has women's teams right?
(I've got stuff to do so this will be my last post for a bit but I'll happily address more in more depth upon my return).
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On July 05 2026 06:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:34 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 06:06 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 05:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:29 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Artesimo wrote:On July 05 2026 05:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 05 2026 05:08 Artesimo wrote:[quote] I am happy to throw my full weight behind this cause after you convinced me that you have done anything of meaning in regards to my earlier repeated request. + Show Spoiler +Or is that too much work for the cause you champion?
Like cmon dude, even the most pathetic loser would have come up with a simple lie by now.. . As a rational adult your support shouldn't be conditioned on me meeting your demands to prove my credentials as a genderqueer revolutionary socialist. Well you already established that I am woefully ignorant and uneducated on the issue, so I am looking for a figurehead to put my trust in. I just need something that shows me you are deserving of this trust. + Show Spoiler +Else I might support something that goes completely against of what my intention was, and this is such a difficult to understand issue for someone as ignorant as me, that there simply is no other way than to blindly follow not just any forum shizo, but the right forum shizo. Maybe try DPB or DanHH since they agreed and aren't conditioning their support respectively? The fact that you just keep on running really does speak volumes. Enemy. Yes, being a genderqueer person pointing out that despite the well worn basic Democrat talking points about the usage of "female" being problematic, it's problematic persistence went basically unnoticed by someone like yourself and the community at large, obviously makes me the enemy. It certainly can't be emblematic of the exact sort of lack of awareness and hostile to other Black, genderqueer, trans, cis-women, etc. posters environment I was talking about in the post that triggered you. /s EDIT: Is Artesimo the only person that wants to keep them as "female tournaments" (unless/until I meet their demands), if so, can we fix that now? Fix what? + Show Spoiler + Why are you so incapable of actually explaining your objections?
I would happily use the term ‘female tournament’ to describe a tournament in which both women and girls can compete, which many eSports events could conceivably see. It’s not exclusively a women’s tournament if youngsters may be present in numbers, it’s neither a girl’s tournament if adult women are also prevalent.
There may be baggage associated I’m unaware of, or others hence we asked what the issue was to begin with, but apparently answering quite basic questions is beneath you.
For someone so big on preaching from their self-ordained pulpit you have an incredible inability to explain your objections, suggest meaningful ways in which others so deficient can improve, nor indeed show any evidence that you yourself do any better.
A real trifecta of uselessness right there, and you have the gall to complain about the thread and its denizens ‘mocking and gawking’ or doing anything that doesn’t fit your personal sensibilities. While perpetrating one of the most ridiculous derailings of the thread on a (relatively small) issue that I’ve ever seen in here.
Do better, or don’t. No skin off my back either way Been pretty clear I was talking about changing it from "Female tournaments" with the description: "Female Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to female and/or female-identifying players." to "Women's tournaments" and presumed that people would comprehend that would mean the description would be "Women's Only Tournaments are tournaments that only permit entry to women players." If the only objections are that you all don't want to do it because I suggested it before DanHH that's just you all being petulant. Are 12/13 year olds women GH? Many would say no, hence ‘female’ can serve of a catch-all, although sure perhaps there’s baggage there. + Show Spoiler +I’m still awaiting your blueprint on how to make gaming more egalitarian moving forwards, considering how happy you were to shit on the efforts of myself and Artesimo in this regard, modest though they may be.
Fucking put up or shut up really, about as politely as I can put it. That's a reasonable objection. Are there any participants in those tournaments on this site to opine? TL has women's teams right? (I've got stuff to do so this will be my last post for a bit but I'll happily address more in more depth upon my return).
You’ve had like a day and a half to do that and absolutely have not. So I’m not really sure what’s gonna change with a brief interregnum
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On July 05 2026 06:39 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on? I think it is about the incel-style somewhat dehumanizing usage of "females" as a noun to describe women and girls. But i agree that i don't think this extends to female as an adjective.
That after pages one has to ‘think’ what GH’s point is actually based on probably speaks poorly on him as a communicator.
I would agree 100% that the incel sphere use ‘female’ in a generally dehumanising manner. Equally I don’t think it invalidates its use as a descriptor at all, there’s just some unfortunate associations.
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On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on?
Yes it is, getting us away from the small issues to the big ones. The small issue being participation and the big issue being what synonymous word we use.
Locally it is what they call the top end women’s hockey.
https://www.u18femaleaaa.ca/
Quick Google of various US states had girls more common but some female.
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On July 05 2026 06:47 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:39 Simberto wrote:On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on? I think it is about the incel-style somewhat dehumanizing usage of "females" as a noun to describe women and girls. But i agree that i don't think this extends to female as an adjective. That after pages one has to ‘think’ what GH’s point is actually based on probably speaks poorly on him as a communicator. I would agree 100% that the incel sphere use ‘female’ in a generally dehumanising manner. Equally I don’t think it invalidates its use as a descriptor at all, there’s just some unfortunate associations.
I thought the incel one was "femoid" or something like that. If they indeed just use "Female" now then my stance on that would be firmly "we can't let these clowns dictate out language". Its a normal word, already in everyday use, and overall this would just be the alt right dogwhistle bullshit all over again. They use an either ridiculous or normal term for their heinous shit, the normies catch up on it with a bit of a delay, have overreaction to it, alt right moves on, picks another term and points fingers at the rest making a fuzz over a word that is now harmless again. You can't win that by letting them dictate language, you need actions that show "this is not what we mean when saying female", not a different word. In general that is what seems to always be missing in the first place, actions that speak louder than the big nono words.
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Northern Ireland27272 Posts
On July 05 2026 06:55 Artesimo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2026 06:47 WombaT wrote:On July 05 2026 06:39 Simberto wrote:On July 05 2026 06:36 EnDeR_ wrote:On July 05 2026 06:20 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 05:56 Billyboy wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. Sure but anyone getting mad at it is just looking for a reason to be mad, and if not this something else. It would be especially questionable if the person mad about it constantly complains that the thread is not talking about the hard hitting issues. On July 05 2026 06:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:On July 05 2026 05:22 Dan HH wrote:On July 05 2026 04:00 Gorsameth wrote:On July 05 2026 03:15 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Why is female problematic? That is a genuine question, because I don't get it. Because its 'the tournament' and 'the female tournament' Male is the default, female is the 'other'. Ofcourse GH doesn't actually answer a question and can't give an answer because he doesn't have one and doesn't give a shit. he just wants to claim to be high and might and presumably boost his ego by feeling like he is 'better'. He sure as shit isn't here to discuss or educate anyone because he can't answer basic fucking questions. 'The tournament' doesn't have a male requirement, women can and sometimes do participate. It makes sense to only label the restrictive type. That said I do find the word 'female' a bit weird and gamery, would rather use 'women's tournaments' like most other sports/competitions do. I mean I can get behind female being a bit weird, in an awkward nerd kind of way, but I still can't understand how it is offensive. Aside from that I agree with the first point, at least in esports you don't have men only tournaments, so labeling them the men and women tourneys would be factually wrong. But either way the idea that 'female tournament' as opposed to 'women's tournament' is a cause of outrage is just ridiculous. If we said tournament for hoes and bitches, then yeah, sure, fight us on that, but female isn't offensive, no more than male would be. I agree it's not offensive or some big outrage, just a bit cold in the context of a community/hobby group since we're used to seeing male and female in data, or nature documentaries, or medical and police reports, and impersonal contexts like that. This may be explicitly a US issue then. We always referred to male and female students when I was in the UK and there didn't seem to be any baggage attached to the word "female". Is that the whole thing GH's argument hinges on? I think it is about the incel-style somewhat dehumanizing usage of "females" as a noun to describe women and girls. But i agree that i don't think this extends to female as an adjective. That after pages one has to ‘think’ what GH’s point is actually based on probably speaks poorly on him as a communicator. I would agree 100% that the incel sphere use ‘female’ in a generally dehumanising manner. Equally I don’t think it invalidates its use as a descriptor at all, there’s just some unfortunate associations. I thought the incel one was "femoid" or something like that. If they indeed just use "Female" now then my stance on that would be firmly "we can't let these clowns dictate out language". Its a normal word, already in everyday use, and overall this would just be the alt right dogwhistle bullshit all over again. They use an either ridiculous or normal term for their heinous shit, the normies catch up on it with a bit of a delay, have overreaction to it, alt right moves on, picks another term and points fingers at the rest making a fuzz over a word that is now harmless again. You can't win that by letting them dictate language, you need actions that show "this is not what we mean when saying female", not a different word. In general that is what seems to always be missing in the first place, actions that speak louder than the big nono words.
Frankly I think you should abandon your CS coaching efforts, and I’ll abandon organising and running LAN events.
They’re simply not inclusive enough. GH can pick up the slack, he seems to know what the craic is and what’s needed even if he won’t share
Thanks for the posts re your experiences btw, interesting reading to ponder
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Norway28876 Posts
I mean, I just asked my wife 'do you think there's anything problematic about the term female tournaments' and she didn't understand the question. When I clarified that it was about using female as opposed to woman/women, she chuckled and said no.
She's a far left individual whose most recent job was as a PhD candidate specializing on political communication/emotions on social media. Presumably- more in tune to this stuff than your average individual.
There's a point where microaggressions are so small that paying heed to them is counterproductive because the request/demand will largely be considered unreasonable even by people who are broadly in ideological agreement with you. I think this is an example of that.
It's like, in the world cup, before the national anthems, they say 'please rise' (if you're able). I obviously don't mind that they added 'if you're able' - but I would find it ridiculous if they didn't include it and someone wrote an angry letter about how 'please rise' was offensive to the wheelchair bound.
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Canada11594 Posts
I, for one, welcome another mind reading exercise wherein GH hints at some arguments and asks you guess the rest...
That's a hard pass.
Phrases like "I am friends with females' and others like it are really frickin weird.
As a descriptor of a tournament, not so much though I think 'women's league' or 'girls' league' is more common.
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On July 05 2026 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I mean, I just asked my wife 'do you think there's anything problematic about the term female tournaments' and she didn't understand the question. When I clarified that it was about using female as opposed to woman/women, she chuckled and said no.
She's a far left individual whose most recent job was as a PhD candidate specializing on political communication/emotions on social media. Presumably- more in tune to this stuff than your average individual.
There's a point where microaggressions are so small that paying heed to them is counterproductive because the request/demand will largely be considered unreasonable even by people who are broadly in ideological agreement with you. I think this is an example of that.
It's like, in the world cup, before the national anthems, they say 'please rise' (if you're able). I obviously don't mind that they added 'if you're able' - but I would find it ridiculous if they didn't include it and someone wrote an angry letter about how 'please rise' was offensive to the wheelchair bound.
I pretty much feel the same way about the micro aggressions. You have to pick your battles and the manner in which you fight them. There is a danger in going for the moderate approach / compromising for a less extreme position, as sometimes the people in charge will throw you a bone to shut off any further demands. But as long as its a genuine compromise, makes meaningful progress, and is not clearly intended to stop any further progress, go for it. Get what you can get now and not what you might get later.
This whole interaction was one step stupider though, it was people sharing how they let their wheelchairbound buddy put their arms around their shoulders, and stood up with them that way. And then they got an angry letter telling them off and supposedly the issue ultimately was that this doesn't work for wheelchair bound people with no arms and that is why they are shit people for even doing such a thing. Like what?
EDIT: "I am friends with females" sounds like one of those zuckerberg "I like to walk with my human legs" memes. Gave me a good chuckle as I realised I automatically read that in zuckerbergs voice.
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