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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On April 26 2026 11:52 LightSpectra wrote: He keeps the beacon calling the time travelers lit, in the basement of a pizza restaurant with no basement. That would seem objectionable but what kind of suit is he wearing? | ||
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thetwelfthdoc
1 Post
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LightSpectra
United States3039 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17749 Posts
On April 26 2026 12:32 LightSpectra wrote: There's as much evidence for that as widespread voter fraud preventable with a photo ID. true, because the overwhelming vast majority of adults are 100% honest. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
On April 26 2026 13:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: true, because the overwhelming vast majority of adults are 100% honest. When it comes to voting yes. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On April 26 2026 10:56 KwarK wrote: Presumably the latest in a series of time travelers trying to kill Trump. Secret Service never reveal any details on the shooters because of the implication. Is this something that will be like the time his ear was shot off and magically healed without any deformation? Or the time some guy just happened to be walking near his golf course the exact time he was there with a weapon? Or that one time... | ||
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oBlade
United States6394 Posts
On April 26 2026 13:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Is this something that will be like the time his ear was shot off and magically healed without any deformation? Or the time some guy just happened to be walking near his golf course the exact time he was there with a weapon? Or that one time... You're a Trump assassination attempt truther? | ||
KwarK
United States44242 Posts
On April 26 2026 13:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Is this something that will be like the time his ear was shot off and magically healed without any deformation? Or the time some guy just happened to be walking near his golf course the exact time he was there with a weapon? Or that one time... It’s established that Hitler had a number of unlikely escapes from assassins and it is established that the one thing to do with a time machine is go back in time and kill Hitler. Though it is theorized that those attempts must fail due to causality, nobody is going back to prevent the actions of some guy who died as a baby. From our perspective the person to go back and kill is Hitler because he’s Hitler. But time travel hasn’t been invented yet. What if in the year it is invented the consensus is to go back and kill Trump? From our perspective it would look like there were a series of weird assassination attempts that he kept inexplicably surviving. And the Secret Service would cover it up because you don’t want it getting out that all these people trying to shoot your boss are all time travelers, that’s not a good look. Now I’m not saying it’s definitely true, but it’s definitely true. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
Trump never goes to the correspondent dinner, and the one time he does under horrible polling numbers someone tries to schoot him? But I guess Trump just being one of the worst Presidents ever just explains why this is the 4th? that has gotten this close. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2933 Posts
And found it to be well worth a read. It's well sourced and thought-provoking. The main theme is about loss of scientific leadership, China now outspends the US in absolute terms in scientific research, produces twice as many patents and is set to continue to increase. The US on the other hand is restricting the influx of researchers while simultaneously reducing its spending. Here are some nice quotes: U.S. scientific and technological leadership was nurtured by sustained public investment in research universities and federal laboratories, as well as a culture of open inquiry. These investments turned scientific discovery into economic strength – accounting for more than 20% of all U.S. productivity growth since World War II. The most recent reports showing that China is now outspending the U.S. on scientific and technological research is a turning point worth understanding clearly because, historically, global leadership in one sector – including technology and warfare – feeds into others. U.S. dominance is in question. the active restriction of scientific exchange: tightening access to U.S. institutions, scrutinizing international collaborations and raising barriers to foreign-born researchers. These policies, though intended as security measures, work against the openness that has historically made American science productive and attractive to global talent. I describe this issue as an example of the stockyard paradox, in which securing research assets may weaken the very system these measures aim to protect. The deeper danger for the U.S. economy is that disinvestment and selective engagement in research erodes the capacity to use cutting-edge science regardless of where it is produced. Absorbing and applying cutting-edge knowledge, whether developed in Boston or Beijing, requires maintaining research institutions and trained workforces, as well as active participation in global networks. This is not a passive process. You cannot free-ride on Chinese science if you have dismantled the institutional and human capital needed to evaluate, translate and apply it. A nation that hollows out its research base not only falls behind but also progressively loses its ability to benefit from science, including in technologies it is already able to access. Does the U.S. still want to lead in science? The Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a nonprofit think tank, estimates that a 20% cut in federal research and development starting in fiscal year 2026 would shrink the U.S. economy by nearly $1 trillion over 10 years and reduce tax revenue by around $250 billion. Others point out that the scientific enterprise has contributed at least half of U.S. economic growth. That is a lot to lose. | ||
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dyhb
United States616 Posts
On April 26 2026 13:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Assassination attempts always bring out the crazies…Is this something that will be like the time his ear was shot off and magically healed without any deformation? Or the time some guy just happened to be walking near his golf course the exact time he was there with a weapon? Or that one time... Although if you’re gonna go there, you might as well go full Jewish space lasers and gay frogs prove a depopulation agenda. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24253 Posts
On April 26 2026 17:01 EnDeR_ wrote: I was just reading this article theconversation.com And found it to be well worth a read. It's well sourced and thought-provoking. The main theme is about loss of scientific leadership, China now outspends the US in absolute terms in scientific research, produces twice as many patents and is set to continue to increase. The US on the other hand is restricting the influx of researchers while simultaneously reducing its spending. + Show Spoiler + Here are some nice quotes: U.S. scientific and technological leadership was nurtured by sustained public investment in research universities and federal laboratories, as well as a culture of open inquiry. These investments turned scientific discovery into economic strength – accounting for more than 20% of all U.S. productivity growth since World War II. The most recent reports showing that China is now outspending the U.S. on scientific and technological research is a turning point worth understanding clearly because, historically, global leadership in one sector – including technology and warfare – feeds into others. U.S. dominance is in question. the active restriction of scientific exchange: tightening access to U.S. institutions, scrutinizing international collaborations and raising barriers to foreign-born researchers. These policies, though intended as security measures, work against the openness that has historically made American science productive and attractive to global talent. I describe this issue as an example of the stockyard paradox, in which securing research assets may weaken the very system these measures aim to protect. The deeper danger for the U.S. economy is that disinvestment and selective engagement in research erodes the capacity to use cutting-edge science regardless of where it is produced. Absorbing and applying cutting-edge knowledge, whether developed in Boston or Beijing, requires maintaining research institutions and trained workforces, as well as active participation in global networks. This is not a passive process. You cannot free-ride on Chinese science if you have dismantled the institutional and human capital needed to evaluate, translate and apply it. A nation that hollows out its research base not only falls behind but also progressively loses its ability to benefit from science, including in technologies it is already able to access. Does the U.S. still want to lead in science? The Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, a nonprofit think tank, estimates that a 20% cut in federal research and development starting in fiscal year 2026 would shrink the U.S. economy by nearly $1 trillion over 10 years and reduce tax revenue by around $250 billion. Others point out that the scientific enterprise has contributed at least half of U.S. economic growth. That is a lot to lose. People (especially but not exclusively the dinosaur politicians) are still under the impression that China doesn't develop any technology and simply steal/copy the West/US. Most of those same people would absolutely lose their minds in multiple ways if you gave them access to tariff free Chinese EV's. It's something else to watch/listen to the frantic spin it induces in otherwise seemingly reasonable and calm people when they are confronted by the reality in various ways. No shortage of titles like this going around: fun clip in there of Musk being as smart as ever at ~1 minute in. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3039 Posts
On April 26 2026 13:20 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Is this something that will be like the time his ear was shot off and magically healed without any deformation? Or the time some guy just happened to be walking near his golf course the exact time he was there with a weapon? Or that one time... Maybe it just miraculously healed, like his bone spurs, or the COVID-19 that vanished overnight in February 2020. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On April 26 2026 22:36 LightSpectra wrote: Maybe it just miraculously healed, like his bone spurs, or the COVID-19 that vanished overnight in February 2020. Forgot that C19 thing happened lmao. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On April 26 2026 18:15 GreenHorizons wrote: People (especially but not exclusively the dinosaur politicians) are still under the impression that China doesn't develop any technology and simply steal/copy the West/US. Most of those same people would absolutely lose their minds in multiple ways if you gave them access to tariff free Chinese EV's. It's something else to watch/listen to the frantic spin it induces in otherwise seemingly reasonable and calm people when they are confronted by the reality in various ways. No shortage of titles like this going around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgCYYrhL-kE fun clip in there of Musk being as smart as ever at ~1 minute in. It often feels to me simultaneously occupies the strong and threatening, but also weak and incompetent in the eyes of a certain segment of the population over there. ‘China is scary and must be stopped! But also a nation of a billion people are incapable of scientific innovation without IP theft!’ Good policy this does not make, and it does feel a particularly American phenomenon, if I were to hazard a guess it’s rather tied to the US’ hegemonic status and China being the upcoming upstart. Us Euros, minus a minority I think broadly have accepted the end of their time (where applicable) as great powers and a more multi-polar world and I think tend to have a more realistic appraisal of China. There’s still a ton of ignorance too of course, although that’s hard to fix. A big language barrier, and even without that China basically has its own parallel internet ecosystem. A sizeable chunk of what does end up permeating through often ends up being absurd propaganda in both pro and anti-China directions which doesn’t help | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24253 Posts
On April 26 2026 23:50 WombaT wrote: It often feels to me simultaneously occupies the strong and threatening, but also weak and incompetent in the eyes of a certain segment of the population over there. ‘China is scary and must be stopped! But also a nation of a billion people are incapable of scientific innovation without IP theft!’ + Show Spoiler + Good policy this does not make, and it does feel a particularly American phenomenon, if I were to hazard a guess it’s rather tied to the US’ hegemonic status and China being the upcoming upstart. Us Euros, minus a minority I think broadly have accepted the end of their time (where applicable) as great powers and a more multi-polar world and I think tend to have a more realistic appraisal of China. There’s still a ton of ignorance too of course, although that’s hard to fix. A big language barrier, and even without that China basically has its own parallel internet ecosystem. A sizeable chunk of what does end up permeating through often ends up being absurd propaganda in both pro and anti-China directions which doesn’t help Yeah, the Chinese EVs would probably be invasive to our privacy... Meanwhile in the US...Every new car in the U.S. will be required by law to have tech that puts constant surveillance on the driver by 2027. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
On April 26 2026 18:11 dyhb wrote: Assassination attempts always bring out the crazies… Although if you’re gonna go there, you might as well go full Jewish space lasers and gay frogs prove a depopulation agenda. Or imagine there's a massive election fraud conspiracy going on that justifies taking away millions of peoples ability to vote. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27266 Posts
On April 26 2026 17:01 EnDeR_ wrote: I was just reading this article theconversation.com And found it to be well worth a read. It's well sourced and thought-provoking. The main theme is about loss of scientific leadership, China now outspends the US in absolute terms in scientific research, produces twice as many patents and is set to continue to increase. The US on the other hand is restricting the influx of researchers while simultaneously reducing its spending. Here are some nice quotes: Yay a new (and interesting) topic, much obliged! If I had a criticism of this article, there ain’t much delving into the why and I’d be quite interested to see a bit more analysis there. Obviously it’s rather good on the ‘what’ and ‘how’ aspects. I mean for example is the US starting to drop a bit because of intentional policy, or is it more a case of complacency of the form ‘we’re America we’re where the talent wants to go, so we don’t necessarily need to invest to maintain that status or what have you. More broadly speaking, it feels a huge area that general public sentiment tends to overlooked in terms of hot political topics. Now, the UK ain’t China or the US, it does a punch pretty damn hard. Argh, I haven’t mentioned Brexit for ages but here we go! It felt in that lead-in people were extremely blasé about the UK’s RnD being at least somewhat jeopardised by what Brexit (esp. a hard one) entailed. It’s a somewhat strange oversight to me, do people just think world class scientists and institution spring from the ether or something? I don’t think there’s much dispute that to produce world class sportspeople, the individual generally needs to put in years and years of graft, and (generally) needs to be ensconced in systems and leagues of high quality. Why would science be any different? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9064 Posts
On April 27 2026 02:31 WombaT wrote: Yay a new (and interesting) topic, much obliged! If I had a criticism of this article, there ain’t much delving into the why and I’d be quite interested to see a bit more analysis there. Obviously it’s rather good on the ‘what’ and ‘how’ aspects. I mean for example is the US starting to drop a bit because of intentional policy, or is it more a case of complacency of the form ‘we’re America we’re where the talent wants to go, so we don’t necessarily need to invest to maintain that status or what have you. More broadly speaking, it feels a huge area that general public sentiment tends to overlooked in terms of hot political topics. Now, the UK ain’t China or the US, it does a punch pretty damn hard. Argh, I haven’t mentioned Brexit for ages but here we go! It felt in that lead-in people were extremely blasé about the UK’s RnD being at least somewhat jeopardised by what Brexit (esp. a hard one) entailed. It’s a somewhat strange oversight to me, do people just think world class scientists and institution spring from the ether or something? I don’t think there’s much dispute that to produce world class sportspeople, the individual generally needs to put in years and years of graft, and (generally) needs to be ensconced in systems and leagues of high quality. Why would science be any different? I'd say, and I think most would agree, is that the lobbying arm of the political world wields too much power. They get laws passed that harm other sectors and bottom lines, leading to RnD being cut first. Toyota, Honda, etc all have several new EVs they were going to launch, especially with the EV pilot Obama had with getting charging centers expanded. Trump tanked all of that. Then cut the tax breaks and other stuff. No company is going to invest in a market like that. The thing is, people want EVs. Big Oil is just that good at propaganda and the gen pop has a serious lack of critical thinking. I'd have bought an EV but without reliable charging access where I live, I'd be hard pressed to justify it. China isn't the issue. It's the US and the people/laws being owned by the extremely wealthy and connected. Musk fucked over EVs/Tesla when he had the best position to advocate and expand. Greed and stupidity at its finest. | ||
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dyhb
United States616 Posts
On April 27 2026 02:12 Sermokala wrote: Absolutely, and don't forget that the 2000 election was stolen as well!Or imagine there's a massive election fraud conspiracy going on that justifies taking away millions of peoples ability to vote. | ||
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