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11: Everybody is educated to become a hero, which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. I honestly don't really know what this means and I can't really relate it to something Trump has been doing.
This one is rather simple, you cultivate heroes who died for the cause eg: Joann of Arc, Leonidas, Roland, Pheidippides, while the ones who survive eg: Musashi, Lu Bu, El Cid, Saladin are sort of second class heroes. Latter may be recognized for achievements/greatness, but wouldnt be deemed heroic. This kind of grading should lead to many people deeming death for the cause acceptable, or even desired.
Interestingly, this is just as humans mind operate actually, you are bound to attach deeper meaning to positive character death, over positive character survival. Which can be easily exploited by skilled propagandist.
I also kind of disagree with Eco on this one (may be inaccurate translation), while educated to become a hero is spot on (thats what propaganda is for), then embrace cult of death I would say is rather limited to religious movements, rather than political (with sporadic exceptions, as inn depending on a person rather than cause ). There is ultimate difference between dying and going to some sort of paradise, and... just dying. Now if he said (this is where innacurate translation bit comes)"accepting death for the cause" I would say he is spot on.
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
I assume what Eco means here is an idea of the exceptional hero driving things, which is a more individualistic conception, rather than collective.
I might be misunderstanding here, but even if I’m not I think it’s the least convincing of his checklist
I see what you’re getting at, I don’t think it fully counts here. Trump is still powerful, even if you think he’s an idiot. Opponents may despise him, but they don’t frame him as weak.
Historically groups like Jews or Bolsheviks have fit that framing. And it wasn’t all bullshit (well, it was, but it was earnestly believed). The Nazis didn’t wage war in a purely pragmatic way, their racial beliefs came into play, to their detriment.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
Howard Lutnick did not have a coherent criticism of Canada's trade policies. Clearly flustered and lost for words he came up with a great way to convey his disdain... its something many 13 year olds will come up with when lost for words ... its really super advanced stuff:
Howard Lutnik , April 10th 2026, "they suck".
if we extracted the oil out of what is left of Lutnik's hair we might knock gas prices down by $0.10.
Even if Ontario, Alberta, BC etc put US alcohol back on the shelves there is no guarantee Canadians will buy it. I spoke with my 79 year old grandmother about the US boycott going on in Canada and she says she has never seen anything close to this in her lifetime.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
On April 23 2026 15:49 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah if you think Europeans dont consider republics fascists after electing someone who instigated an insurrection you have not been paying attention.
Maybe they don't teach about the Beer Hall Putsch or March on Rome in whatever school baal went to.
Also, deeply funny that he was emphasizing "people who voted for Nazis aren't ontologically evil, they didn't know there were plans to eradicate the Jews" while laughing off insinuations that Republicans are fascists as they routinely dehumanize immigrants and trans people with the same language like "vermin" or "a plague". The omens of the evils of fascism are simultaneously too hard to recognize for their average supporter, but also nothing to worry about whatsoever, you're being hysterical if you think you see them.
So you think Germans that voted for the nazi party wanted a literal Jewish genocide.
You also believe this of republicans, that they are also want the genocide of all immigrants and trans people.
lmao you people live in some wild RPG fantasies, you imagine a world where the most powerful country with a military bigger than the rest of the world combined is ruled by a crazy genocidal fascist in control of the senate, house and court, but sadly for the RPG the result is a bit deflating though, deportations, std arab wars and tariffs aren't really that compelling for the narrative but don't let that stop you from living this fantasy to the fullest.
Baal, either the Nazis and Italian fascists were very obvious about their beliefs from the start, or they started with verbal dehumanization like calling minorities vermin and escalated into genocide over time. If you think it's the latter then it's entirely fair play to call out Republicans for doing the exact same thing. Yes or no?
Yes to both.
The calling out has to be done properly no hysterics calling everyone a fascist, that is counterproductive, but for example the rhetoric shift from "migration" to "invasion" should be called out.
The thing is, the well has been so poisoned with the hysteria now it's very difficult to explain to people like Elon Musk that he shouldn't use that term because morons have been calling him nazi for years.
On April 23 2026 15:49 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah if you think Europeans dont consider republics fascists after electing someone who instigated an insurrection you have not been paying attention.
Maybe they don't teach about the Beer Hall Putsch or March on Rome in whatever school baal went to.
Also, deeply funny that he was emphasizing "people who voted for Nazis aren't ontologically evil, they didn't know there were plans to eradicate the Jews" while laughing off insinuations that Republicans are fascists as they routinely dehumanize immigrants and trans people with the same language like "vermin" or "a plague". The omens of the evils of fascism are simultaneously too hard to recognize for their average supporter, but also nothing to worry about whatsoever, you're being hysterical if you think you see them.
So you think Germans that voted for the nazi party wanted a literal Jewish genocide.
You also believe this of republicans, that they are also want the genocide of all immigrants and trans people.
lmao you people live in some wild RPG fantasies, you imagine a world where the most powerful country with a military bigger than the rest of the world combined is ruled by a crazy genocidal fascist in control of the senate, house and court, but sadly for the RPG the result is a bit deflating though, deportations, std arab wars and tariffs aren't really that compelling for the narrative but don't let that stop you from living this fantasy to the fullest.
I’m confused by your reasoning. It seems you are convinced that Germans who voted for the Nazis didn’t know what they were getting because the Nazis didn’t explicitly say it.
Then when people here bring up a lot of comparisons between the Nazis before WW2 and Republicans, and there are lots, many that you have agreed with. You say no way the Republicans and fascists because they have not explicitly said it.
You can’t have it both ways. You should be worried about how far the Republicans are going to take it, they have already pushed it much more than people thought before this election. Even look at project 2024 . There was tons of talk about how that was a Democrat scare tactic, now the Republicans are just following it and all their voters that said they were against it, are not shockingly in favour.
The republicans keep pushing toward fascism and people who vote for them keep going along with it and I guess use confirmation bias to forget about what they were against a few short months ago.
Yes I claim the majority of germans didn't knew the extent of what the nazis planned to do.
Yes, MAGA flits with certain aspects of fascism and its dangerous.
No, the republicans are not the nazis secretly planning to genocide migrants.
Calling republicans nazis only normalizes real nazis in the shadows and also makes people believe if THIS is nazism it ain't so bad.
The same way rednecks calling scandis commies, it doesn't help their cause, on the contrary.
On April 24 2026 00:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Baal, a bunch of us (including KwarK, Falling, maybenexttime, LightSpectra, WombaT, Luolis, Gorsameth, Simberto, Harris1st, justanothertownie, Velr, misirlou, Geiko, and I) have responded to your posts regarding in-person voter ID, non-existent widespread voter fraud, and/or fascist cheating Republicans. You asked some questions and received some answers. You made some comments and received some responses from a variety of posters who have a variety of backgrounds and live in a variety of countries. Try not to be so flippant and dismissive of counterpoints and criticism.
I asked Europeans views on photo ID to vote like they do in their country and I didn't get many direct answers, I got mainly "Republicans are suppressing vote" to which beforehand I said was true, but shouldnt the ID still happen in better terms to secure elections?
To that specific question I haven't gotten many replies.
To responses like "give no quarrel to fascists" or "there is no evidence of fraud" I am flippant, and that is the right response to that.
On April 23 2026 20:31 WombaT wrote: Your argument appears to be that policy should be made to placate folks you appear to consider drones.
I think policy should be made to make the most reasonably secure elections possible, a simple photo ID seem absolutely reasonable.
This is something that happens in pretty much all of the world, in countries with far less resources yet the US has one of the least secure systems.
I've said the electoral college should be abolished too, while the intent is reasonable the application sucks making most votes irrelevant, I say this to make it clear that I'm not parroting Republican talking points like the leftits retards in here do with Dem points.
Right so what’s stopping the Republicans doing that?
It’s their baby, their cause and they can’t seemingly propose any acceptable compromise so… why is that?
You seem to be a rare poster who hasn’t evolved in the last 15 years and thinks it’s all good to call people retarded every second post.
Let it be on record that I think you’re a fucking idiot whose sense of their own intelligence is grossly out of whack with reality. You seem grossly incapable of assessing arguments and incorporating them into your worldview and subsequently responding to what’s presented. You love a wee strawman don’t ya?
I’m not sure if I should be comforted or worried that the likes of yourself are the best that the non-left can seemingly send
Yours, Retarded Leftist
For fucks sake, how many times do I have to say this, read carefully I'm not repeating myself again:
Republicans don't propose an acceptable compromise because they don't want fair secure elections, they want more votes for them, and Democrats oppose it for the same reason
I find it funny that my use of the word retard bothers you, very on brand lol.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
"All powerful" means something like "there's an international council of Judeo-Bolsheviks puppeteering every country, bank, and political party on Earth except (our party)". Or perhaps "the shadowy DNC tricked Republicans into nominating Trump". Or even "there's a deep state run by Obama who's functionally the shadow president of the United States".
Also, Project 2025 isn't some secret. The Heritage Foundation published it on their website to be publicly read. Many people did. The only nefarious thing was Republicans denying they had anything to do with it before admitting it was their blueprint.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
On April 23 2026 20:31 WombaT wrote: Your argument appears to be that policy should be made to placate folks you appear to consider drones.
I think policy should be made to make the most reasonably secure elections possible, a simple photo ID seem absolutely reasonable.
This is something that happens in pretty much all of the world, in countries with far less resources yet the US has one of the least secure systems.
I've said the electoral college should be abolished too, while the intent is reasonable the application sucks making most votes irrelevant, I say this to make it clear that I'm not parroting Republican talking points like the leftits retards in here do with Dem points.
Right so what’s stopping the Republicans doing that?
It’s their baby, their cause and they can’t seemingly propose any acceptable compromise so… why is that?
You seem to be a rare poster who hasn’t evolved in the last 15 years and thinks it’s all good to call people retarded every second post.
Let it be on record that I think you’re a fucking idiot whose sense of their own intelligence is grossly out of whack with reality. You seem grossly incapable of assessing arguments and incorporating them into your worldview and subsequently responding to what’s presented. You love a wee strawman don’t ya?
I’m not sure if I should be comforted or worried that the likes of yourself are the best that the non-left can seemingly send
Yours, Retarded Leftist
For fucks sake, how many times do I have to say this, read carefully I'm not repeating myself again:
Republicans don't propose an acceptable compromise because they don't want fair secure elections, they want more votes for them, and Democrats oppose it for the same reason
I find it funny that my use of the word retard bothers you, very on brand lol.
Your claim made with zero evidence didn't convince me before, but now that you've bolded it and called me a retard I'm starting to come around.
On April 24 2026 06:56 Falling wrote: Personally, I prefer authoritarian over fascist as it is the simpler argument and therefore easier to demonstrate. Fascism is specific and yet highly idiosyncratic from the few times it has appeared in history. And then unless you have the literal Gestapo knocking down the door and Auschwitz, the conversation gets bogged down. Whereas, I think it's easier talk about gradations of authoritarianism and steps leading to authoritarianism when you don't have a Hitler! Hitler! Hitler! siren blaring in the back of people's minds (even though Franco and Mussolini's fascism also exist.)
I've long maintained that people should definitely avoid 'nazi' for this reason - because while I believe that there are many traits of fascism you can find in Trump, 0 of the traits you find in nazism but not in fascism are really present.
Authoritarian is definitely accurate and impossible to really argue against, but it might be too tame, and I think you can argue that there's enough 'fascism-adjecent' stuff that at least 'fascism-adjecent' is a reasonable description.
Agreed if there were a term for mild-fascist that would be appropriate for Trump 2.0
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess...
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess...
There was nothing to address.
People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying.
Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess...
There was nothing to address.
People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying.
Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever.
Meh, I expected better, you turning out to be rather disappointing. Like yeah mate civil war and stuff, whatever..We are talking about 21st century....
"it’s already happening:" dude what are you talking about, voter ID is not a thing yet ,how it can be already happening?
This is "I am not mad, I am disappointed" situation...
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess...
There was nothing to address.
People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying.
Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever.
I am going to try to do an analogy here. Let's say there is this guy you know. He always comes up with some weird story, or a new business idea every time you see him. It is always some new thing, and most of the time it sounds somewhat reasonable.
But each time, it turns out that it is just a plan to scam you out of 50 bucks for heroin.
Is is not reasonable to be a bit suspicious of the thing the guy now proposes? And maybe disagree by default, because history suggests that in the end it is very likely that it is just another scheme to scam you out of 50 bucks. And in this case latest case, you can even see how the scam might work.
To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have.
Chef's kiss
On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote: "The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025
Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows.
I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse...
On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays.
That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal.
Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages.
As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period.
"Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused?
The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t.
Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance.
It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess...
There was nothing to address.
People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying.
Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever.
I am going to try to do an analogy here. Let's say there is this guy you know. He always comes up with some weird story, or a new business idea every time you see him. It is always some new thing, and most of the time it sounds somewhat reasonable.
But each time, it turns out that it is just a plan to scam you out of 50 bucks for heroin.
Is is not reasonable to be a bit suspicious of the thing the guy now proposes? And maybe disagree by default, because history suggests that in the end it is very likely that it is just another scheme to scam you out of 50 bucks. And in this case latest case, you can even see how the scam might work.
Republicans are that guy.
Yes this analogy goes hard if you have no idea who restricted minority voting rights over US history.
EPT
