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I think i have made it very clear that i do not talk to you.
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On April 24 2026 13:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2026 13:35 Simberto wrote:On April 24 2026 12:52 KwarK wrote:On April 24 2026 12:37 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 12:18 KwarK wrote:On April 24 2026 12:15 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 10:58 WombaT wrote:On April 24 2026 10:47 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 10:03 LightSpectra wrote:To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have. Chef's kiss On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
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Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025 Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows. I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse... On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays. That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it. Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal. Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages. As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period. "Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused? The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t. Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance. It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess... There was nothing to address. People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying. Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever. I am going to try to do an analogy here. Let's say there is this guy you know. He always comes up with some weird story, or a new business idea every time you see him. It is always some new thing, and most of the time it sounds somewhat reasonable. But each time, it turns out that it is just a plan to scam you out of 50 bucks for heroin. Is is not reasonable to be a bit suspicious of the thing the guy now proposes? And maybe disagree by default, because history suggests that in the end it is very likely that it is just another scheme to scam you out of 50 bucks. And in this case latest case, you can even see how the scam might work. Republicans are that guy. Yes this analogy goes hard if you have no idea who restricted minority voting rights over US history.
Are you about to demonstrate you don't know the difference between 1800s democrats and 2026 democrats?
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On April 24 2026 13:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2026 13:35 Simberto wrote:On April 24 2026 12:52 KwarK wrote:On April 24 2026 12:37 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 12:18 KwarK wrote:On April 24 2026 12:15 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 10:58 WombaT wrote:On April 24 2026 10:47 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 10:03 LightSpectra wrote:To be clear I agree that Trumps rhetoric is dangerous and it certainly flirts with fascistic ideas yet a retarded leftist screaming fascist at everything is ironically the biggest ally a true fascist can have. Chef's kiss On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:
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Interesting point.
Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025 Those aren't contradictory things. An idiot with a baseball bat can smash a lot of windows. I am yet to meet demented idiot sneakily implementing something... President of US seem to meet all powerful criteria, while " idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented" is not exactly a powerhouse... On April 24 2026 10:06 WombaT wrote:
Most of the thread actually agree with photo ID in some form, I know I do anyway. Literally everyone who’s responded has couched worries in terms of practicalities in the US context
Wombat reason people disagreed was that Republicans are going to abuse it... Like... how? literally any way to abuse it would be illegal. On the other side your example with moat and lasers (FU, all I think about now, is how to get permission for moat and where to get lasers) is rather exaggerated. I would say it is more like living in low crime area, and yet despite that you still lock the door when going on family holidays. That analogy was meant to illustrate an overreaction to a non-existent problem. Not one of my best, I wouldn’t read too much into it. Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal. Others in the thread have outlined how this can be a factor, much better that I could so I’d recommend scrolling back a few pages. As for non existent problem, you do still lock doors when leaving house for extended period. "Yeah that was the disagreement, because they will abuse it, and have. It’s not illegal." There is literally no legal way to abuse it. Nobody was able to give example, beside usual explanation "they are too stupid to sort their own paperwork". Wombat seriously please look through the thread recent pages andl give me specific example where people pointed out how it will be abused? The fact that you don’t know the history of racial disenfranchisement in the United States doesn’t mean that there isn’t one, it means that you don’t know it. Other people have knowledge that you don’t. Maybe you shouldn’t be so confident in your assertions of what is and isn’t possible given your track record of incomprehensible ignorance. It is quite amazing how you are able to complain about racial disenfranchisement, and yet manage didnt address anything I said. But hey, you accused me of ignorance... you won... I guess... There was nothing to address. People who know the subject say that this is just the latest in a long history of abusing rules. You show up and declare that that wouldn’t be possible. But it not only is possible, it’s already happening, it’s been happening since the civil war, it’s established, it’s studied, it’s documented. That’s why the people who know more than you are saying what they’re saying. Showing up and declaring “well I don’t think that’s possible” isn’t informing us about the subject, it’s informing us about the limits of your understanding. And if you’re going to just randomly list things that you don’t know we’ll be here forever. I am going to try to do an analogy here. Let's say there is this guy you know. He always comes up with some weird story, or a new business idea every time you see him. It is always some new thing, and most of the time it sounds somewhat reasonable. But each time, it turns out that it is just a plan to scam you out of 50 bucks for heroin. Is is not reasonable to be a bit suspicious of the thing the guy now proposes? And maybe disagree by default, because history suggests that in the end it is very likely that it is just another scheme to scam you out of 50 bucks. And in this case latest case, you can even see how the scam might work. Republicans are that guy. Yes this analogy goes hard if you have no idea who restricted minority voting rights over US history.
The conservatives.
You think you found some gotcha, but you just sound like an ignorant idiot. We've already discussed this topic, including Nixon's Southern Strategy, which led to party realignment. The racist South switched from voting for the Democrats to voting for the Republicans. Their values didn't change. The parties' platforms did.
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On April 24 2026 10:23 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2026 10:03 Razyda wrote:On April 24 2026 07:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
11: Everybody is educated to become a hero, which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. I honestly don't really know what this means and I can't really relate it to something Trump has been doing.
This one is rather simple, you cultivate heroes who died for the cause eg: Joann of Arc, Leonidas, Roland, Pheidippides, while the ones who survive eg: Musashi, Lu Bu, El Cid, Saladin are sort of second class heroes. Latter may be recognized for achievements/greatness, but wouldnt be deemed heroic. This kind of grading should lead to many people deeming death for the cause acceptable, or even desired. Interestingly, this is just as humans mind operate actually, you are bound to attach deeper meaning to positive character death, over positive character survival. Which can be easily exploited by skilled propagandist. I also kind of disagree with Eco on this one (may be inaccurate translation), while educated to become a hero is spot on (thats what propaganda is for), then embrace cult of death I would say is rather limited to religious movements, rather than political (with sporadic exceptions, as inn depending on a person rather than cause ). There is ultimate difference between dying and going to some sort of paradise, and... just dying. Now if he said (this is where innacurate translation bit comes)"accepting death for the cause" I would say he is spot on. On April 24 2026 07:25 LightSpectra wrote:
"The enemy/scapegoat is simultaneously all powerful but idiotic and weak" is both the cornerstone of fascist rhetoric, and the defining difference between it and other kinds of right-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting point. Like, you know, someone can be an idiot, doing whatever last person he saw told him, while being demented, and at the same time evil dictator destroying democracy, and sneakily implementing project 2025 I assume what Eco means here is an idea of the exceptional hero driving things, which is a more individualistic conception, rather than collective. I might be misunderstanding here, but even if I’m not I think it’s the least convincing of his checklist I see what you’re getting at, I don’t think it fully counts here. Trump is still powerful, even if you think he’s an idiot. Opponents may despise him, but they don’t frame him as weak. Historically groups like Jews or Bolsheviks have fit that framing. And it wasn’t all bullshit (well, it was, but it was earnestly believed). The Nazis didn’t wage war in a purely pragmatic way, their racial beliefs came into play, to their detriment.
No, this point is not about people driving things or any sort of individualistic pursuit. It's about being raised to sacrifice yourself for the country/nation. Think Hitler's child soldiers, suicide bombers in Islam, or Putin's "it's better for your husbands to die for the country than drink themselves to death".
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On April 24 2026 09:33 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 20:31 WombaT wrote:
Your argument appears to be that policy should be made to placate folks you appear to consider drones. I think policy should be made to make the most reasonably secure elections possible, a simple photo ID seem absolutely reasonable. This is something that happens in pretty much all of the world, in countries with far less resources yet the US has one of the least secure systems.I've said the electoral college should be abolished too, while the intent is reasonable the application sucks making most votes irrelevant, I say this to make it clear that I'm not parroting Republican talking points like the leftits retards in here do with Dem points.
Do you have a source for the bolded?
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