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United States43933 Posts
On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment.
I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'.
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On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed.
I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them.
You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses?
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Northern Ireland26664 Posts
On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses?
No, the suspicion would be that attorneys pursuing the indictment are stretching things to fall under criminal statutes, not fabricating said records.
I do recognise it’s 2026 and there’s a constant thirst for comment and judgement yesterday, personally I think it’s fine to hold off and see how things develop sometimes.
In this case:
1. Is said accusation of falsifying forms congruent with simply paying informants, or is there something else at play that may be more benign?
2. Have they been laundering money without a good, non-laundering excuse that they can use in their defence?
The initial indictment and passing through the grand jury stage doesn’t really answer those questions.
’You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department’ - I mean that’s a problem right there given Trump has a rather storied record of doing exactly that, all the time.
Well, person A bullshits all the time, person B doesn’t really. But I suppose I should distrust person B because hey, gotta treat people the same and person A does bullshit rather a lot…
I think people here can rightly be skeptical initially, why wouldn’t they be? But if the SPLC is nailed bang to rights I mean fair enough
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United States43933 Posts
On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses?
Okay, treat it like we treated the indictments against Trump. The issue is that when we were evaluating the indictments against Trump we had things like him confessing on tape or photos of him doing it. We didn't have to worry about whether the documents case was real because he's on tape going "here, look at this document, I'm not allowed to show you this document, it's illegal, isn't that funny, if I'd declassified it while in office it'd be fine but since I didn't then what I'm doing right now is illegal".
So it's not really the same thing.
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On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses?
The possibility that the scant white supremacy the SPLC earned its gravy train exposing to the world (along with hate symbols like Pepe the Frog) was astroturfed by the SPLC to begin with is more existentially damaging than you realize at first to someone whose worldview is built around the necessity of subverting the white supremacist USA.
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On April 23 2026 04:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses? The possibility that the scant white supremacy the SPLC earned its gravy train exposing to the world (along with hate symbols like Pepe the Frog) was astroturfed by the SPLC to begin with is more existentially damaging than you realize at first to someone whose worldview is built around the necessity of subverting the white supremacist USA.
"Person who thinks white supremacy isn't real will continue to think white supremacy isn't real", ok where's the crisis?
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On April 23 2026 04:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses? The possibility that the scant white supremacy the SPLC earned its gravy train exposing to the world (along with hate symbols like Pepe the Frog) was astroturfed by the SPLC to begin with is more existentially damaging than you realize at first to someone whose worldview is built around the necessity of subverting the white supremacist USA.
Just to clarify: Are you asserting here that there isn't much white supremacy in the United States? Or are you saying something else, such as that there's plenty of white supremacy in the United States but that the SPLC has only uncovered a tiny percentage of it?
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Northern Ireland26664 Posts
On April 23 2026 04:35 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 04:31 oBlade wrote:On April 23 2026 03:28 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:42 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:37 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 02:24 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 02:17 dyhb wrote:On April 23 2026 01:37 KwarK wrote:On April 23 2026 01:30 dyhb wrote:The SPLC was just indicted by a grand jury. That's the Southern Poverty Law Center, perhaps the most famous cataloguer and opposer of fringe hate groups in America. It's accused of wire fraud and making false statements in order to fund a network of informants within the groups. The paid covert agents are alleged to include a "member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 "Unite the Right" event in Charlottesville, Virginia," neonazis, Klan members, and a target of its "Extremist File" webpages. You should probably disclose to your donors that their donations directly fund extremism in order to better combat extremism (allegedly). It operates as a tax-deductible charity. Three million dollars are alleged to have gone to some of the worst extremist groups operating in the US. The only real defense I can see to the many false businesses, false filings to open bank accounts, and money laundering through them is that the FBI oversaw and approved of those activities. How can people be this dumb. Grand Jury IndictmentNYT story To be clear, the story here isn't misconduct, the story is that this administration which has bragged about how they plan to weaponize the justice system against groups like SPLC is alleging misconduct. We shouldn't forget the context that the US has become a failed state when we read the news. Grand jury indictment lists misconduct of a pretty clear kind. It’s the same story of Biden’s allegedly politicization of the justice system against Trump: Maybe, but also are the charges real? I can imagine other cases where the misconduct alleged looks like entrapment or is vulnerable to a deceived grand jury. You’re JAQing off pretty hard here over allegations from a bad actor that stated ahead of time that they would be a bad actor. And you’re studiously avoiding a comment on the charges, or the propriety of what was charged. Say now if you think the grand jury was deceived as to bank records and money laundering, as part of Trump’s weaponization. You act like I linked to a truth social post alleging all this, not a grand jury indictment. I don't know if you know this but a grand jury indictment doesn't mean a whole lot, grand juries just hear the state's allegations and decide whether to move forward. There's no discovery, no defence, no trial. To fail to achieve a grand jury indictment the state would have to accuse someone of something that is so clearly not a crime that a group of laypeople go "wait what?'. It means somebody other than admin figures examined the evidence behind those charges. That’s the decision to indict. Which is why I find the lack of comment on the substance of the charges a little mystifying, as if you believe that one or more US attorneys fabricated the bank forms and wiring records in order to deceive a grand jury to decide that there was enough substance to proceed. I’m not going to assume your opinions on the matter, if they exist, since you decline to give them. You already know from my past posts that I treat this in the same manner of Trump accusations of Biden politicization and weaponization of the justice department: Maybe, but did the target also commit the crimes. It’s cheap talk. Like a conservative group could commit the same alleged things and tell the world that the real story is that they were maliciously targeted by an Obama or Biden admin. Alright, but also are you busy falsifying forms and laundering money through fictitious businesses? The possibility that the scant white supremacy the SPLC earned its gravy train exposing to the world (along with hate symbols like Pepe the Frog) was astroturfed by the SPLC to begin with is more existentially damaging than you realize at first to someone whose worldview is built around the necessity of subverting the white supremacist USA. "Person who thinks white supremacy isn't real will continue to think white supremacy isn't real", ok where's the crisis?
Also can’t forget ‘it wasn’t a Nazi salute but a K-Pop one, if you don’t believe me sure the SPLC said so’ (and IIRC it was just a few prominent folks and not an official stance)
Incidentally I felt that was politically expedient bullshit in the first place, presumably to placate but hey.
It would be nice if people would actually read what’s being referenced. The SPLC’s entry on something like bloody Pepe actually does broadly address various concerns pre-emptively.
People who bring such things up have either never went to source, or if so and still feeling the same, are either braindead or think you are.
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Canada11497 Posts
On April 23 2026 02:24 oBlade wrote:The ballot measure wording is facially illegal: Show nested quote +Question: Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections, while ensuring Virginia's standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census? You cannot say on a ballot filled out by voters that drawing a 10-1 map in Virginia is to "restore fairness" - which is what Texas never claimed and why they aren't massive obnoxious hypocrites like VA's governor going back on her campaign claims or VA Democrats going back on the process they just agreed to in 2020.
Well, of course Texas never claimed to be restoring fairness. But is it actually better to gerrymander and just say that is what you are doing?
Although we've seen earlier efforts to gerrymander, like North Carolina where they argued for "independent state legislature theory" to write state courts out of the equation and get rid of the court created map after they tried gerrymandering, this latest round of redistricting by Republicans was urged by Trump explicitly to gain more seats for the upcoming midterms:
“We’re going to get another three or four or five, in addition,” Trump said to reporters about House seats. “Texas would be the biggest one, and that’ll be five.”
Is it really hypocrisy to change your mind in reaction to five years of your opponents actions and ask the people for temporary measures to counter-act?
This is an arms race that has been going on for awhile.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/redistricting-and-congressional-control-following-2012-election
Back in 2012.
Where Republicans controlled redistricting, the GOP likely won 11 more seats than they would have under the old district lines, including five seats previously held by Democrats. Democrats also used redistricting to their advantage, but Republicans redrew the lines for four times as many districts as Democrats.
In 2022, when the courts drew the map after determining North Carolina's maps constituted partisan gerrymandering, lo and behold the results were 7-7, fairly closely matching 50% voting split. But once Republicans got their judges in and over-turned the previous ruling and drew new partisan redistricted maps, hey presto, the results go back to a massive swing 10-4 despite only a 5% drop in the popular vote, fairly closely matching the Brennan's Centre's prediction that redistricting could result in as bad 11-3.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/anatomy-north-carolina-gerrymander
Republicans didn't like the courts sorting out redistricting and North Carolina Republicans argued for 'independent state legislative theory' and the Supreme Court backed out hearing partisan gerrymandering but now Trump wants the courts to sort out Virginia's redistricting?
The partisan redistrict gerrymandering must end, but if Trump can whip up his side to gerrymander on the one hand and Democrats are expected to ineffectually whine "nooo. stahp" and nothing else, it will not and cannot end. Democrats pushed the For the People Act in 2019 that would have tackled gerrymandering but of course each state has the power to over see and regulate election, not the federal government so it got stopped in the Senate... and then the Republicans introduce the SAVE Act which would also be the federal government regulating the the states' power to over see and regulate the election. That too, did not pass. But who is exactly is the hypocrite here?
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SPLC should just rebrand to Southern(White?)WealthLawCenter and donate to one of Trump's PACs to angle for a pre-emptive pardon.
art of the deal.
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On April 23 2026 04:45 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2026 02:24 oBlade wrote:The ballot measure wording is facially illegal: Question: Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections, while ensuring Virginia's standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census? You cannot say on a ballot filled out by voters that drawing a 10-1 map in Virginia is to "restore fairness" - which is what Texas never claimed and why they aren't massive obnoxious hypocrites like VA's governor going back on her campaign claims or VA Democrats going back on the process they just agreed to in 2020. Well, of course Texas never claimed to be restoring fairness.
“I got the highest vote in the history of Texas,” Trump said in early August, “and we are entitled to five more seats.”
They're restoring fairness... to Trump.
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