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On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media. .
And here I was thinking its because they keep reminding everyone he's a sex offender.
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On April 08 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2026 17:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 13:02 GreenHorizons wrote:Interesting. None happening in any of the major cities in my state yet. I'm curious about others' thoughts on this "general strike"? On April 14 2025 08:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 07:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 03:33 WombaT wrote:
Happy Day of Cake DPB! Enjoy Thanks! On April 14 2025 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 14 2025 01:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 14 2025 00:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 13 2025 01:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:[quote] + Show Spoiler +I already answered those questions in the later post that you didn't respond to: https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4922#98428 It depends on multiple factors. For example, it may depend on how harmful the policy is. It may also depend on the individual - how willing/able they are to risk certain consequences (being reprimanded, being fired, being able to find a new job, being able to still support themselves and their family financially, etc.). I had written that "some people may have different approaches (publicly protesting, secretly resisting, doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective, etc.)" and I think that's true too. There probably isn't a perfect way to protest or a universal way to voice your displeasure about a policy that you don't agree with, because of how nuanced these situations can be. For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that the pushback against *anti-education* policies that, as an educator, you would personally be willing to commit to is to lay down your work until those policies are reversed. There are some that I would, and there are some that I wouldn't. As I mentioned several times before: it depends. For example, let's suppose that Donald Trump signed a piece of paper that said "Math teachers need to say that pi equals 3". That's a pretty dumb and obviously anti-education thing for Trump to force onto educators, but there are ways to exploit a trivial loophole and technically check off that "I officially said that pi equals 3" box, without needing to undermine basic math education, or refuse to teach altogether, or completely quit my job. I would, instead, use a different strategy I listed, which would be "doing the bare minimum to cover their own butt from a semantics perspective", and I would try to mold this weird Trump-enforced limitation into learning experiences for my students: - It would not be hard to say "pi equals 3... after rounding to the nearest whole number", and then we could have a discussion on different sets of numbers (whole numbers vs. integers vs. rationals vs. irrationals vs. reals), and talk about the pros and cons of rounding and estimation. - It would also not be hard to have students use string, a ruler, and a circle to calculate pi on their own (1. measure the circumference; 2. measure the diameter; 3. divide them), and then ask them "How would you respond to me if I told you: 'pi equals 3'?". See, I just technically said "pi equals 3". They could even confirm a more precise value of pi with a calculator or computer, and we could have a meaningful discussion about ways to compute pi, and how it's not simply based on what one person dictates (whether that's me or Trump or anyone else). - Or, depending on how sassy I feel, I might transparently tell my students that Trump is forcing me to say "pi equals 3" even though it's incorrect (or maybe I'll just have them read an article that reports that, if I'm not allowed to technically say that to my students), and maybe I'll make it extremely clear, with several eye-winks, that we're now going to call the π symbol "cake" instead of "pie", or perhaps "ice cream" or whatever other dessert a student wants. And, quite frankly, the label itself isn't particularly relevant; the mathematical value of pi doesn't come from its name anyway, and we could probably have a fun, creative discussion evolving from that. I can still make sure my students learn what they need to learn about pi. On the other hand, if Trump signed a piece of paper that insisted that female students (or gay students, or students of color, etc.) are no longer allowed to learn any math in math classrooms - that math teachers inside their classrooms can only teach students who are white/male/straight/cis/whatever, and that other demographics aren't allowed - then you'd better believe that we'll be protesting and refusing to teach anyone in the classroom. And then I'd be holding free tutoring sessions over Zoom (or some other platform) where any student can join, and I'd make sure that I educate everyone virtually, since it can't be done properly in the classroom anymore. Not all teachers have the time or financial ability to do that though. I don't think Trump would try to enforce either of these two anti-education extremes, but these are just to show that not all policies and not all responses are going to be identical. It depends on the circumstances and the individuals. Not sure why you've chosen not to contribute to developing a general strike with demands you would support yet, but I'm honestly thrilled someone finally drew some sort of line. Probably the same reason as just about everyone else: Because I don't feel like it. I think your other questions are interesting though: I understand it does beg questions like what about undocumented immigrants being banned from the classroom? Or what about trans and/or other students just not being safe at school to the point they can't attend, without any specific ban enacted? It would seem to cross your line but also be somewhat already true. Presumably you'd also do this in solidarity with English or Science teachers even if Math was unaffected? While you should answer those questions (for yourself first), the point is to make a mark that you can measure to see if it has been passed and you have to do something radically different than you typically do under electoralism. Undocumented immigrants being removed from my classroom (although I don't even know if I have any undocumented students): I'd consider a strike. Trans/Other students feeling unsafe: I'd consider a strike if needed, though fortunately our school does a pretty good job of creating a safe and accepting culture (according to my students, including those who are LGBTQ+). The president illegally kidnapping people and shipping them to foreign prisons, then defending it in court in a way that would mean he could do that to anyone, citizen or not, is more than enough for me. I'd argue it should be more than enough for any reasonable person. Hence correcting it being a "must have" demand for a general strike I'd support.
Would you support a general strike that demanded the immediate return of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia? What else might it demand? No. I don’t think that a math teacher refusing to teach can reasonably lead to anything so far removed and irrelevant, like what Trump did to KAAG. On the other hand, I could see how a local teacher strike might have the potential to affect a local school (students being unsafe, students not being taught, etc.). First, happy cakeday! Initially I thought "big yikes!" at the "I don't feel like it". But now I see you're making your opposition to general strikes/solidarity in actions (at distance) as concepts more clear, so it's just a regular yikes I guess haha. While I'm still hoping for contributions toward the general strike effort here from anyone that wants to stop Trump's worst offenses, I do see value in exploring what you took interest in. I could be misunderstanding, so feel free to clarify anything you'd like. You seem to be organizing your line very locally and specifically. Basically seeming to draw your line when it directly impacts you/your school/your students specifically. It sounds like it might extend as far as your district? As in you would probably join a protest/strike if trans students were banned from another one of the schools in your district. It gets less clear if you would join/support a protest/strike for them crossing your line somewhere else in the county, state, or country. I understand and appreciate your lack of recognition for how math teachers joining a general strike can contribute toward a collective and massive protest/effort of people refusing to "act normally" when such heinous crimes are being perpetrated by their elected government. I also understand your refusal to see how that massive collective effort/protest can change/stop those governments in ways scattered localized and specific protests can't. I believe it is in part a consequence of a deliberate bipartisan effort to deprive all of us of the domestic and global history that contradicts your current beliefs. That said, whether it's general strikes in Brazil, Euromaidan in Ukraine, or the George Floyd/BLM uprisings in the US, it's clearly not going to be easy to stop/redirect this train to fascism we're all on, and nobody has discovered a magic bullet solution. Thank you for the happy cake day! I think your summary of how my preference for a personal strike becomes less clear and less likely as we zoom out from local to state to national is pretty accurate. I think that drawing a line from teachers to their school is a lot simpler, clearer, and more likely to have an impact than if we were hoping that the Trump administration would decide to change (or even care) based on what one teacher or one school or even one district does. As the degrees of separation increase between the person striking and the space they want to change, I personally become more skeptical of a strike working, and therefore less likely to strike. I'm also personally pretty risk-averse, so at most levels I'm more likely to join a growing strike than to start one. I appreciate your engagement with the summary. I think it's important to understand that part of the point of a general strike is that it isn't just what "one teacher or one school or even one district" does. No one is talking about you going on a solo protest/strike. It's more like most schools in red states making school unsafe for undocumented students. Then teachers in those schools protest/strike. Then teachers in the area but not in the specific schools the kids are being kidnapped from join them in solidarity (this can be protesting, striking, providing supporting funds, etc). Then teachers in schools where their kids are safe (for now) join in protesting/striking with them. Except it brings together more than just teachers and students in a form of mutual aid. The alternative you're describing is essentially what the Niemöller quote is warning against. To stay within the context of the Niemöller quote about the erosion of rights, I think different people will "speak out" in different ways. If a strike is warranted, then I would love for a ripple effect to take place, starting with the teachers who are experiencing these injustices, and then extending outwards to include other teachers, but I don't think I'm in the first wave of that level of protest. In the meantime, I'd be happy to engage in other ways of "speaking out", from joining marches and rallies, to speaking with teachers and students and families across the country, to voting and informing other potential voters, to creating a safe and respectful space within my classroom. How do you think this fits DPB? Something you see yourself participating in? I could see myself participating in something like this, sure. (Full disclosure: According to the website, it seems to be taking place on May 1st, and I'm already *not* going to be at work that day for a different, irrelevant, not-strike-related reason. But if this were occurring on a different day where I was otherwise going to be working, then sure!) Interesting. Is anyone going to deliberately participate?
TIL that the USA celebrates Labour Day on a different day to most of the world. Just like changing DST, and imperial units, a beacon of American Exceptionalism.
But that does open May 1 as an excellent date for calling a general strike. Are there demands?
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On April 09 2026 15:02 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media. . And here I was thinking its because they keep reminding everyone he's a sex offender.
He's a rapist. Call him that.
He isn't just some creepy dude that can't keep his hands to himself, he is a flat out rapist.
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On April 09 2026 12:36 LightSpectra wrote:
The rebuttal still doesn't make sense because universal healthcare saves money compared to letting the poor die of easily preventable diseases. A country being poorer means they should be implementing a NHS even more urgently, not less.
They are separate points though and can be simultaneously true. You can save money by having an NHS, so it's something that you would like to do regardless of your overall economic situation. It is also true that setting up the NHS did not rely on dirty exploitation money, considering the historical context that Kwark mentioned.
Btw kwark, thanks for your post, it was very informative!
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JD Vance stumping for Orban, saying no one has done more to bring peace to the war than Trump and Orban.
How exactly? Trump has cut off support and before getting distracted was trying to force Ukraine to give up their fortress cities. And Orban has been gumming up EU support for Ukraine from day one.
If that's what counts to bringing peace to the region, then my vote is for Putin or Prigozhin who have certainly done far more to effect Ukraine's surrender and therefore create a Vancian Peace.
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On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media.
Pretty sure the reason why our fascist president has been trying to silence the media for years is because they have the audacity to sometimes say things that make Trump angry, sad, or embarrassed. Duh?
And unless you think Pakistan's prime minister, most US media sources, and plenty of non-US sources are all in Iran's pocket, enough with the "who could truly know, you personally weren't there" nonsense. You're just trying to create a narrative where Trump ought to be seen as more trustworthy than anyone else, and we all know that's an absurd premise.
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Orban is gone soon, I'm not worried about that. At least this is what polls predict. For Trump's power to be weakened, we'll have to wait until midterm election. The US really needs to invest more into pre-university education so that deranged grandpas like Trump are never elected again.
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On April 09 2026 14:12 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 08:12 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On April 09 2026 07:45 dyhb wrote:On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html And since it's Iran, not Trump, we have to believe them! (I beg you to have the barest form of common sense when it comes to the world's largest state funder of terrorism. Just because they say Trump agreed to force Israel to end its attacks in Lebanon, cease all drone overflights, and tolerate uranium enrichment, doesn't mean anything of the kind was agreed upon prior to the ceasefire. The opposite of trusting Trump is not declaring as truth anything that is anti-Trump.) Well, Iran has a recent history of just not agreeing to a ceasefire, and the US has a (less) recent history of attacking Iran during negotiation or breaking a ceasefire. Doesn't seem to me like a case of 'declaring as truth anything that is anti-Trump' and more of a case of 'believing the side that has acted more credibly in this totally-not-war'. You seem to show a recency-bias on your thinking patterns without justifying yourself. I'd simply call it ignoring history. Year after year of absolutely lying to the IAEA on their nuclear development, sanitizing locations, stopping inspectors. Denying assistance to the Houthis, in the past also to Hezbollah, among other routine attempts to deny assistance to their proxies. Show nested quote +That and the fact that if Iran didn't want a ceasefire and just wanted to keep the strait closed, then they had no incentive to agree to one in the first place given their stated, and well justified, distrust of US 'negotiation'.
That and there is the distinct possibility that there is only an agreement in principle to a ceasefire, and noone has actually agreed to actual terms. So both sides just operate under what think they can and can't do, and will accuse the opposition of violating what they think shouldn't be done.
We could just be watching in real time, both sides discover that they don't actually have terms both sides can agree to for a ceasefire. I say both sides, because I have a hard time believing Israel even want a ceasefire, so it's really only the US and Iran negotiating. They certainly want one on their terms, since agreeing to a ceasefire that only binds their opponents and still allows them threats or tolls on passing ships is a win-win. I don't claim to know precisely what was agreed to in principle. I know enough that stating Iran's *claims about what happened* as absolute fact (that the US violated the ceasefire) is ignorance or indifference to truth. It could be that the framework was simply that the US and Iran stop their attacks/threatened attacks on the country and civilian vessels while negotiations continue to how to make it last two weeks.
Doesn't seem to me like a case of 'declaring as truth anything that is anti-Trump' and more of a case of 'believing the side that has acted more credibly in this totally-not-war'
Oh no, I'm showing recency bias, when talking about conduct during a war that just got hot a little over a month ago.
I mean, what that source is claiming, is not very far fetched. Israel has verifiably continued its attacks in Lebanon. It's difficult to imagine a world where the US said 'go ahead on your nuclear program', we don't know about the drone, but again... not exactly farfetched that a drone flew over Iranian airspace.
The source did not even claim that the US agreed to these conditions, in fact the phrasing is their '10-point ceasefire proposal'.
While I'm not sure calling this 'Trump violating the ceasefire' is very accurate, do you have any reason to doubt 'Iran's *claims about what happened'?
Given one of his points is verifiably true, one would be difficult to imagine being untrue, and the third being not really an extraordinary claim. I'd say it's more of a case that this ceasefire had very few terms and conditions to begin with, let alone any they actually agree on and we are just seeing two sides confirm there is little common ground for a ceasefire to actually take effect.
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On April 09 2026 07:45 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html And since it's Iran, not Trump, we have to believe them!
You don't have to do anything. But keep in mind there are certain things Iran is saying that are being corroborated by Pakistan's prime minister / those who are mediating the peace agreement, US sources, and non-US sources, so let's not pretend that this is just one source (Iran) vs. one source (Trump).
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On April 09 2026 16:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media. Pretty sure the reason why our fascist president has been trying to silence the media for years is because they have the audacity to sometimes say things that make Trump angry, sad, or embarrassed. Duh? And unless you think Pakistan's prime minister, most US media sources, and plenty of non-US sources are all in Iran's pocket, enough with the "who could truly know, you personally weren't there" nonsense. You're just trying to create a narrative where Trump ought to be seen as more trustworthy than anyone else, and we all know that's an absurd premise.
Sources of what? Do you just think Iran's peace proposal/demands is the ceasefire agreement, is that what page you're on?
Most of those will be absolutely biased or worse against Trump. But this has nothing to do with Trump's trustworthiness. You claimed something and have TDS-ed yourself into thinking I'm saying "But Trump said the opposite so you have to believe him instead." Erase that.
Either explain to me how Israel bombing Hezbollah is Trump breaking a ceasefire with Iran so I understand it, retract it and promise to think next time, or move on.
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On April 09 2026 16:36 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 16:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media. Pretty sure the reason why our fascist president has been trying to silence the media for years is because they have the audacity to sometimes say things that make Trump angry, sad, or embarrassed. Duh? And unless you think Pakistan's prime minister, most US media sources, and plenty of non-US sources are all in Iran's pocket, enough with the "who could truly know, you personally weren't there" nonsense. You're just trying to create a narrative where Trump ought to be seen as more trustworthy than anyone else, and we all know that's an absurd premise. Sources of what? Do you just think Iran's peace proposal/demands is the ceasefire agreement, is that what page you're on? Most of those will be absolutely biased or worse against Trump. But this has nothing to do with Trump's trustworthiness. You claimed something and have TDS-ed yourself into thinking I'm saying "But Trump said the opposite so you have to believe him instead." Erase that. Either explain to me how Israel bombing Hezbollah is Trump breaking a ceasefire with Iran so I understand it, retract it and promise to think next time, or move on.
Pakistan's role in all of this has been to act as mediator and facilitator. "Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, who helped negotiate the ceasefire, on Wednesday called for “an immediate ceasefire everywhere, including Lebanon and other regions, effective immediately.”" This ceasefire was part of the plan, as corroborated by this third party with firsthand knowledge. It is still accepted by Iran, while the US and Israel have turned their back on it: "Iran says the ceasefire agreed to Tuesday covered Lebanon, while the U.S. and Israel have said the deal does not cover Lebanon." This is bad faith on the side of Trump and Netanyahu. https://www.thehill.com/policy/international/5822691-iran-us-ceasefire-lebanon-dispute/amp/
If you want to assert that the mediators have TDS, then go for it, but Trump (and Israel) are the ones repeatedly changing their stories and contradicting third/neutral parties.
I'm also just going to assume that you're being purposely obstinate or weirdly semantic when you pretend that agreeing to a *ceasefire* means you can still "bomb" your enemy. Obviously that's ridiculous.
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Yes if you add "(and Israel)" to "Trump" then your claim that "Trump" broke a ceasefire by Israel bombing Hezbollah could start to be an accurate description of reality. Very bad thing that the US/Israel (meaning Israel) would break a ceasefire like that.
But not the glorious and honest Iran which bombed the Gulf states with drones and missiles. It's still "accepted" by them. You're transparent.
I mean admitting Hezbollah is Iran and Hezbollah is just sitting as the most powerful army in Lebanon, this is not a good thing.
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On April 09 2026 16:57 oBlade wrote:
Yes if you add "(and Israel)" to "Trump" then your claim that "Trump" broke a ceasefire by Israel bombing Hezbollah could start to be an accurate description of reality. Very bad thing that the US/Israel (meaning Israel) would break a ceasefire like that.
I was correct in thinking that you'd attempt a silly semantics approach. From my very first post that you replied to, I've said the continued bombing has been done by Israel. Trump has provided cover for that, as both Trump and Israel have attempted to retcon/betray this part of the ceasefire by saying that it's okay to attack Lebanon. This is from the mediator of the peace talks, as I cited earlier, not just from me speculating. Trump's (third, apparently) violation isn't because he's personally doing the bombing; it's because he's saying that his ally's continued bombing of another country is acceptable during this ceasefire. Again: This is bad faith on the side of Trump and Netanyahu. Trump could come out against Israel's continued bombing if he wanted to, but he currently isn't doing so and is in fact approving of it. For that reason, I blame both Netanyahu and Trump for that particular violation.
Also, I don't know why you think repeatedly name-dropping Hezbollah somehow provides an exemption from the mediation of "an immediate ceasefire everywhere, including Lebanon and other regions, effective immediately", but it doesn't.
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On April 07 2026 17:31 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2026 17:04 baal wrote:On April 07 2026 15:26 KwarK wrote:On April 07 2026 15:20 baal wrote:On April 07 2026 04:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Some warcrimes to give the impression that at least he did something but it'll fizzle out. Agreed, but I've lost money more than once in polymarket betting on his inaction, fucking stochastic president lol. I had previously wondered who would possibly be stupid enough to be on the losing side of these bets given that people within the administration are making the bets already knowing what the decision is. Like who is betting on outcomes that are already decided against the people who made the decisions. But I guess that checks out. Insiders almost always market buy late when there is liquidity to not move the price so much and show their hand, I usually place my bets as early as I can. Who would have thought that he would bail out a chinese app lol, the Biden one saving his dope fiend son was a lock tough. I'd ask you to see your bets but people with dumb opinions don't put their money where their mouth is. Do you believe gambling is a smart thing to do?
It depends, for people in this thread certainly not, but I've made quite a comfortable livelihood from it for the past almost 20 years now, so for some people, yes. 
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On April 07 2026 19:29 LightSpectra wrote:
Admitting you've lost money because you don't have insider information on a betting platform that exists to make money for people with insider information and then saying people who don't do that have dumb opinions is a chef's kiss of a post.
I literally explained to you why insiders don't affect the EV of my bets but I guess you simply don't understand how these things work.
I didn't say people who don't bet are have dumb opinions, I said people who are dumb don't bet on their opinions, that probably sounds the same to you doesn't it?
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The beauty about betting on your opinions/predictions is that having bad ones costs you money, so the incentive is very strong to wise up, improving your skills and humbling your certainty.
Having dumb opinions/predictions in this forum costs you nothing, not even the slight shame of being wrong since its an echo chamber, there is no incentive to be smarter, so you can say things like Trump is a baby cannibal and you will get an applause from the other dummies and you will never realize how stupid you truly are.
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On April 07 2026 22:00 KwarK wrote:
Look, the reality is that there isn't a better way to go long on bitcoin than to place bets on the price using a gambling website.
Yeah let me draft a strike call option contract against who the fuck knows who at a 1,000,000 strike prize at Dec 31 2026 as a hedge.... or I just fucking bet on polymarket on it LOL
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On April 09 2026 15:02 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 14:06 oBlade wrote:On April 09 2026 07:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 08 2026 23:21 oBlade wrote:On April 08 2026 23:13 Billyboy wrote:
oBlade is just not an authentic person. I doubt if he believes a quarter of what he says. He is just playing the role of MAGA super fan because what he loves to do is argue. Actual MAGA people have actual positions on things.
Remember way back to a week ago when oBlade was saying that they needed to accomplish Rubios 15 points. They failed them miserably and he is declaring victory. He is just doing it to irk people. You will never convince him of anything no matter how good your facts and logic is because he only exists to argue.
By all means take your shots for cathartic reasons, but don’t waste any actual time or energy in trying to have a good faith discussion. It’s not possible. Who is declaring a victory? Me? I'm not fighting a war. Rubio? Link. I agree with the 11 of the leaked, if legitimate, points that hold Iran to not being a regional and world threat. At the moment the US has clearly been winning soundly. The two sides through Pakistan have agreed to a 2 week ceasefire. That means at the end of two weeks, if the US doesn't like how things are progressing, meaning Iran's not serious about meeting enough of those, they can have a "resumefire." Think of it as a pause button for negotiations. And, unfortunately, Trump has already violated the terms of the ceasefire... three times. In less than one day! Iran’s parliamentary speaker, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, accused the U.S. on Wednesday of violating the two-week ceasefire agreement.
“The deep historical distrust we hold toward the United States stems from its repeated violations of all forms of commitments — a pattern that has regrettably been repeated once again,” Ghalibaf said in a statement posted on social media.
Three parts of Iran’s 10-point ceasefire proposal have been violated, Ghalibaf said. The violations are Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon, the entry of a drone into Iranian airspace, and the denial of the Islamic Republic’s right to enrich uranium, he said. ...
Ghalibaf’s statement comes less than a day after Trump said he agreed to halt attacks for two weeks in exchange for Iran allowing ships to pass through the Strait of Hormuz during that period. https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/08/ceasefire-iran-war-lebanon.html This is why Trump wants to nuke CNN. People like you are incapable of processing media. . And here I was thinking its because they keep reminding everyone he's a sex offender.
No, clearly Trump wants to nuke CNN because he cares about the truth.
oblade saying that to anyone here that they are unable to “process the truth” has to make him the least self aware person i have ever exchanged with.
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On April 07 2026 22:10 Velr wrote:
Now I just wanna see what kind of Monkey NFT's baal bought.
I didn't buy a single NFT I wasn't convinced by the thesis, (I am for its utility for things like titles of ownership).
What I did is buy a bunch of btc when it as at $900 tho 8)
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On April 09 2026 19:04 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2026 19:29 LightSpectra wrote:
Admitting you've lost money because you don't have insider information on a betting platform that exists to make money for people with insider information and then saying people who don't do that have dumb opinions is a chef's kiss of a post. so the incentive is very strong to wise up, improving your skills and humbling your certainty.
If you think that humans are like machines and you can predict with certainty, lol.
Mr TACO changes his opinion everyday, possibly every few hours, from obliterating Iran to working with them. Same stuff with his tariff rhetoric. Only gamblers can predict what Trump would do. You may have a few correct guesses, but as you saw with your TikTok bet, it's far from certain.
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On April 09 2026 17:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2026 16:57 oBlade wrote:
Yes if you add "(and Israel)" to "Trump" then your claim that "Trump" broke a ceasefire by Israel bombing Hezbollah could start to be an accurate description of reality. Very bad thing that the US/Israel (meaning Israel) would break a ceasefire like that. I was correct in thinking that you'd attempt a silly semantics approach. From my very first post that you replied to, I've said the continued bombing has been done by Israel. Trump has provided cover for that, as both Trump and Israel have attempted to retcon/betray this part of the ceasefire by saying that it's okay to attack Lebanon. This is from the mediator of the peace talks, as I cited earlier, not just from me speculating. Trump's (third, apparently) violation isn't because he's personally doing the bombing; it's because he's saying that his ally's continued bombing of another country is acceptable during this ceasefire. Again: This is bad faith on the side of Trump and Netanyahu. Trump could come out against Israel's continued bombing if he wanted to, but he currently isn't doing so and is in fact approving of it. For that reason, I blame both Netanyahu and Trump for that particular violation.
Yes my mistake for taking a "semantic" approach. I thought when you said Trump broke the ceasefire, it would mean that you thought Trump broke the ceasefire. Not that Israel broke the ceasefire and Trump failed to unbomb Hezbollah. That was the first violation. Not the third. The third violation Ghalibaf mentioned that you ate up was... someone said Iran can't enrich uranium.
And loyal old Iran has stuck to the ceasefire right? Yes, their bombing of the UAE is clearly just retaliation against Israel.
Like if Jerome punches Tim, Tim's friend Bill should punch a random Sunni Muslim just to get even.
On April 09 2026 17:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Also, I don't know why you think repeatedly name-dropping Hezbollah somehow provides an exemption from the mediation of "an immediate ceasefire everywhere, including Lebanon and other regions, effective immediately", but it doesn't.
You don't know what name-dropping means either? This is pretty bad. Just naming the group that got bombed is called "naming."
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