EPTMaduro is an absolute bastard, but damn how stupid americans are when it comes to international affairs.
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
Maduro is an absolute bastard, but damn how stupid americans are when it comes to international affairs. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 22:17 PhoenixVoid wrote: I won't weep for Maduro, but I will be concerned about the continuing slide of checks on a president and the return to a bleaker world of might makes right. The objective appears to be halting the Venezuelan government's backing of Cuba and Iran, but has total regime change been achieved? How is the U.S. ensuring the succeeding leader won't continue their support of the anti-American axis? The objective is to let American companies pillage Venezuelan oil in the grand tradition of Yankee imperialism in Latin America. It’s Trump, who is an absolute moron, and surrounded by complete idiots with the mentality and intellectual capacity of third graders, so they almost certainly haven’t thought through what would go on after they kidnapped Maduro and are going to ad lib from there. Good to remind everyone in that part of the world that the US are the enemy. They were just starting to forget. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
But yeah lets just continue the cold war and make everyone hate us in the region again. I'm sure there will be no blowback for kidnapping a head of state within their own nation by military force and killing a bunch of people in the process. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 22:49 Sermokala wrote: Crazy part is that there was just no need for this. Biden had done enough with the other nations in the carribiean to create a more profiable and more efficent oil industry with its neighbors. All Trump had to do was to present this evidence to Maduros backers and show how being friendly with the US was more profitable than being enemies. But yeah lets just continue the cold war and make everyone hate us in the region again. I'm sure there will be no blowback for kidnapping a head of state within their own nation by military force and killing a bunch of people in the process. I have had so many discussions with friends from Chile and Argentina arguing that Russia is definitely worse than the US. I guess i stand corrected. | ||
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Billyboy
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On January 03 2026 22:17 PhoenixVoid wrote: I won't weep for Maduro, but I will be concerned about the continuing slide of checks on a president and the return to a bleaker world of might makes right. The objective appears to be halting the Venezuelan government's backing of Cuba and Iran, but has total regime change been achieved? How is the U.S. ensuring the succeeding leader won't continue their support of the anti-American axis? The people of Venezuela will support a new leader and will want to get back participating in global affairs. There is tons of Venezuelans abroad that wish to return. The issue will be the "colectivos" (like small paramilitary gangs that kept Maduro in power locally. As well as the cartels, which are completely intertwined with the military and police. It is not a possible thing to completely replace your police or military and not like these people are going to be OK with just a regular salary and going to all the sudden actually enforce the law or whatever. Well there is little hope it will get significantly better for Venezuelans, with Maduro there was no hope. So I guess that is something. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:14 Billyboy wrote: The people of Venezuela will support a new leader and will want to get back participating in global affairs. There is tons of Venezuelans abroad that wish to return. The issue will be the "colectivos" (like small paramilitary gangs that kept Maduro in power locally. As well as the cartels, which are completely intertwined with the military and police. It is not a possible thing to completely replace your police or military and not like these people are going to be OK with just a regular salary and going to all the sudden actually enforce the law or whatever. Well there is little hope it will get significantly better for Venezuelans, with Maduro there was no hope. So I guess that is something. There is a significant chance it will get worse. Also in the eyes of most Venezuelan, if you are against the regime you are now a traitor that sided with an aggressor that killed their people and raped their sovereignty, so good luck to the opposition going on. | ||
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Billyboy
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On January 03 2026 23:10 Biff The Understudy wrote: I have had so many discussions with friends from Chile and Argentina arguing that Russia is definitely worse than the US. I guess i stand corrected. Russia is definitely worse than the US. Until you can find all the war crimes and crimes against humanity. This kind of talk is a double edge sword of awful, because it makes Russia invasion where millions are dying the same as this. Your post could be a Russian talking point FFS. | ||
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Billyboy
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On January 03 2026 23:15 Biff The Understudy wrote: There is a significant chance it will get worse. Sure, it always can. But it is far from certain. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
don't get me wrong Fuck Maduro and all dictators, but invading a country... a country that is a brother to us, this shit is crazy.... i feel like we're back in the 70s again... Milley, Kast, now Venezuela... shits becoming Orwells 1984 pretty quick... | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:16 Billyboy wrote: Russia is definitely worse than the US. Until you can find all the war crimes and crimes against humanity. This kind of talk is a double edge sword of awful, because it makes Russia invasion where millions are dying the same as this. Your post could be a Russian talking point FFS. Oh but i agree, but i wouldn’t have many arguments to back that up. We are talking about two countries that have an imperialist attitude to their neighbors, use military action of countries don’t fall in line ideologically in violation of all international norms. | ||
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Billyboy
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On January 03 2026 23:18 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh but i agree, but i wouldn’t have many arguments to back that up. We are talking about two countries that have an imperialist attitude to their neighbors, use military action of countries don’t fall in line ideologically in violation of all international norms. there are very simple arguments to back it up. Look how many people Russia has killed compared to the US. Look at how many war crimes and crimes against humanity. Do not use false equivocation, don't be a GH. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:17 XenOsky wrote: im absolutly shocked, Iraq and Afganistan looked so far away from us... now the Empire is by our door again... don't get me wrong Fuck Maduro and all dictators, but invading a country... a country that is a brother to us, this shit is crazy.... i feel like we're back in the 70s again... "Vote for people that will rob you blind to enrich our billionaires or we'll install someone that will by force!" -The US to any country without nukes basically. | ||
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Yurie
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:17 XenOsky wrote: im absolutly shocked, Iraq and Afganistan looked so far away from us... now the Empire is by our door again... don't get me wrong Fuck Maduro and all dictators, but invading a country... a country that is a brother to us, this shit is crazy.... i feel like we're back in the 70s again... When Americans were morning Kissinger death instead of wishing him hell’s hottest boiler where he belongs we should have realized. Remember Porfirio Diaz: poor Mexico, so far from god and so close to the United States | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:20 Billyboy wrote: there are very simple arguments to back it up. Look how many people Russia has killed compared to the US. Look at how many war crimes and crimes against humanity. Do not use false equivocation, don't be a GH. Mate. I agree. I think Russia is worse. But we are taking degree of evil, and you won’t argue that successfully against most Latin American who live and suffer with American imperialism. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
In my country, the hatred between Pinochet supporters and Allende supporters is a wound that remains open between the social classes. Thanks USA, you did great! and yeah FUCK KISSINGER. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On January 03 2026 23:30 XenOsky wrote: At least this time the empire acted openly and did not use an internal fascist military figure without showing its face... In my country, the hatred between Pinochet supporters and Allende supporters is a wound that remains open between the social classes. and yeah FUCK KISSINGER. Same thing in Argentina. 30 000 young people thrown out of airplanes in the Rio de la Plata in the name of anticommunism by the US backed dictatorship. Most people see the US as the devil. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2358 Posts
Good democracy you got us USA, thanks again | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
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