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KwarK
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maybenexttime
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On a related note, do you think that Trump's administration knows that Canada's capital is not in Toronto? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18291 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1384 Posts
In GH's case, I'd say it's a bit of both, so I find it very interesting that in my estimation he got radicalized against participating in politics by (mostly) Russian propaganda, seems very obvious in hindsight and straight out of "Foundations of Geopolitics" playbook. So, yeah, looks like the president of peace attacked another country, after proclaiming it's oil belongs to US, not the US people, but US companies. For the sake of people of Venezuela I hope Maduro GTFO-s on the first flight to Moscow and they install that right winger with a fake Nobel so she can sell her country out to Trump and rob it blind, at least less people will die. Unfortunately there is no winning for them in the short and medium term and I think a quick capitulation is the best case scenario, as much as I'd generally like to see Trump pay for his warmongering I don't want it to happen at the cost of thousands of innocent civilians which will inevitably happen in a prolonged conflict. Once again, fuck that piece of shit and everyone who voted for him, all this blood is on them. | ||
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hitthat
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Simberto
Germany11835 Posts
On January 03 2026 18:13 hitthat wrote: Do better than Russians at least and stop this idiot right now. If he gets away with this, he will go farther and farther. Or you get another Afghanistan. Wasn't that fun the first time around. | ||
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pmh
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oBlade
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hitthat
Poland2341 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11835 Posts
Apparently blowing up shit in other countries and kidnapping country leaders is normal now. And Trump has already declared his target list. A few nuclear missiles aimed right at Trumps face might discourage this. | ||
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pmp10
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Removing him is the easy part after all. Unless they are okay with another failed state. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On January 03 2026 18:40 pmp10 wrote: Does US really have any replacement for Maduro it could install? Removing him is the easy part after all. Unless they are okay with another failed state. Pretty sure they are ok with a failed state as far as they can get the spoils. But i am sure they have someone to support. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On January 03 2026 18:40 pmp10 wrote: Does US really have any replacement for Maduro it could install? Removing him is the easy part after all. Unless they are okay with another failed state. If they install the democratically elected president (Gonzalez) and the military goes with it, it's the least bad outcome. That said, if Trump doesn't face consequences for this, Greenland and Canada are indeed in trouble. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22364 Posts
If you think otherwise you really have not been paying attention. | ||
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oBlade
United States6122 Posts
On January 03 2026 18:45 maybenexttime wrote: If they install the democratically elected president (Gonzalez) and the military goes with it, it's the least bad outcome. That said, if Trump doesn't face consequences for this, Greenland and Canada are indeed in trouble. Consequences from who, for removing a dictator and criminal? It's not like Maduro was going to extradite himself. This is exactly how you're supposed to do it, not leave debilitating sanctions on a country for 50 years that gain nothing, not wait for the ICC to write a strongly worded letter. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On January 03 2026 19:02 oBlade wrote: Consequences from who, for removing a dictator and criminal? It's not like Maduro was going to extradite himself. This is exactly how you're supposed to do it, not leave debilitating sanctions on a country for 50 years that gain nothing, not wait for the ICC to write a strongly worded letter. From the US institutions. Trump started a war without the parliament's approval. That's illegal. One dictator taking out another. The US doesn't exactly have any moral high ground in this situation. | ||
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pmp10
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On January 03 2026 18:45 maybenexttime wrote: If they install the democratically elected president (Gonzalez) and the military goes with it, it's the least bad outcome. The problem is that Maduro was thought to be a figurehead with no real power. Whatever interest groups kept him around won't take orders from Gonzales all of a sudden. I guess it's possible that US cut deals with some of them but I'd still expect serious resistance. | ||
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Introvert
United States4951 Posts
On January 03 2026 19:03 maybenexttime wrote: From the US institutions. Trump started a war without the parliament's approval. That's illegal. One dictator taking out another. The US doesn't exactly have any moral high ground in this situation. If there's one power the US Congress has been losing almost since the very beginning it's the power to "declare war." Esp in Latin America; this only really feels remarkable because it's been a while. Trump clearly wants to remove Maduro but also show the Chinese we mean business, as they are getting more active in L.A. In the Cold War it was the Soviets. I don't see anything particularly new here, although maybe the exact way US forces were used was new. But the idea and motivation is not. People saying stuff like "I'm worried for Greenland and Canada" need to calm down. | ||
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oBlade
United States6122 Posts
On January 03 2026 19:03 maybenexttime wrote: From the US institutions. Trump started a war without the parliament's approval. That's illegal. One dictator taking out another. The US doesn't exactly have any moral high ground in this situation. US Parliament has actually never approved a war in its entire history. Also, this isn't a war. This is almost certainly over. A war is like Iraq. Even without the occupation part. Just the war part. This is as much of a "war" as the summer bombing of Iran's nuclear sites that happened in one day. Venezuela could certainly go try to counterattack the USS Gerald R. Ford and even try to attack the US. That wouldn't go well for their military. Other than that, US probably isn't going into Venezuela now. If Trump had taken all the political capital in the entire country and got Democrats and Republicans to vote publicly to declare war preemptively on Venezuela, then what would you have? An invasion with advance warning? Many dead people? An uncaptured Maduro? That's what a war would look like. The truth is there are indictments against him, and both the Biden and Trump administrations have rejected his status as the leader of Venezuela. Not to mention all his neighbors that said please help us with this dictator next door. | ||
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