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Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On May 27 2025 10:46 BlackJack wrote:https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4849Here’s the link of some of the Tesla vandalizing discussion KT_elwood said Tesla owners should have seen elons coming so it’s their own fault if they own a Tesla and they need to “up their insurance and buckle up” Zambrah said his only objection was that a car is a big purchase and not everyone can afford to buy a new car just because Elon is a nazi. Presumably this wouldn’t be an issue for torching Teslas at a dealer so i assume that’s fine Similarly Drone who is not at all radical said “torch a Tesla dealer, sure” but don’t torch random teslas because they might be owned by leftists that bought them years ago Kwark seems to have a pretty glowing endorsement for torching swastikars, in video games. Gahlo seems ok with it as long as it’s a cybertruck. So that’s like 5 people? Is there a # you’re looking for? Not that many active users on thread these days
I can be wrong.
My poll I thought would prove my point Is 83% in the inverse currently. The only no vote is currently me. And I’d consider TLers more reasonable than the wider populace.
Hey, I gotta eat that one unless it flips hugely.
Cannae complain.
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On May 27 2025 10:46 BlackJack wrote:https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4849Here’s the link of some of the Tesla vandalizing discussion KT_elwood said Tesla owners should have seen elons coming so it’s their own fault if they own a Tesla and they need to “up their insurance and buckle up” Zambrah said his only objection was that a car is a big purchase and not everyone can afford to buy a new car just because Elon is a nazi. Presumably this wouldn’t be an issue for torching Teslas at a dealer so i assume that’s fine Similarly Drone who is not at all radical said “torch a Tesla dealer, sure” but don’t torch random teslas because they might be owned by leftists that bought them years ago Kwark seems to have a pretty glowing endorsement for torching swastikars, in video games. Gahlo seems ok with it as long as it’s a cybertruck. So that’s like 5 people? Is there a # you’re looking for? Not that many active users on thread these days
If that's what you got out of that, go off king.
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United States24770 Posts
I support protesters setting up camp at the entrance to every Tesla dealer in the country. You aren't buying a Tesla without making the walk/drive of shame in and out several times.
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Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On May 27 2025 11:07 micronesia wrote:
I support protesters setting up camp at the entrance to every Tesla dealer in the country. You aren't buying a Tesla without making the walk/drive of shame in and out several times.
Yeah that seems reasonable to me.
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On May 27 2025 11:07 micronesia wrote:
I support protesters setting up camp at the entrance to every Tesla dealer in the country. You aren't buying a Tesla without making the walk/drive of shame in and out several times.
If we're talking about peaceful protests and Elon-shaming/Nazi-shaming/Trump-shaming on the public space in front of a Tesla dealership, where's it's legal to assemble, then that's an easy Yes.
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Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On May 27 2025 11:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 11:07 micronesia wrote:
I support protesters setting up camp at the entrance to every Tesla dealer in the country. You aren't buying a Tesla without making the walk/drive of shame in and out several times. If we're talking about peaceful protests and Elon-shaming/Nazi-shaming/Trump-shaming on the public space in front of a Tesla dealership, where's it's legal to assemble, then that's an easy Yes.
Vote in my poll then fuck sake or I’ll look bad :p
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I only support acts of vandalism that dont target teslas owned by normal people who bought them before Elon was so outwardly nazi or who cant afford to get anything new because cars do be expensive, and if the president of VW came out yesterday and started seig heiling I wouldnt be able to just get a new car, I want to extend that grace to the working class. Life is hard and expensive out there and the working class doesnt need additional burdens caused by billionaire fuck faces.
I dont really give two shits what happens to a Tesla dealership or what have you.
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United States24770 Posts
I voted no because I'm only okay with vandalism against Cybertrucks. Not for anti-Elon or anti-fascist reasons... they are just so unbelievably ugly.
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Ive seen a few cybertrucks recently and they look like their doors have fuckin' pit stains lmao, just absolute eye sores.
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United States43964 Posts
On May 27 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 10:31 KwarK wrote:
The Tesla brand is inextricably the Musk brand. If I got a cool swastika tattoo in 1920 then by 1940 I’m getting a cover up. If I buy a Tesla in 2012 then by 2022 I’m selling it. Anyone not selling it can be reasonably judged as either supportive or tolerant of Musk.
It’s also a tangible way to harm him. His wealth, largely built on the Tesla brand, led to his position as an unelected fascist lurking in the Oval Office snorting ketamine. If people stop buying them because they’re afraid of the vandalism that’s an absolute win in the fight against fascism. The world would be a better place today if people had started years ago.
You might say “if people sell their Tesla that just means someone else buys it” but resale value matters. Teslas having shitty resale value makes them less desirable which again hurts Musk directly. Also if people who don’t want to be affiliated with Musk are getting rid of them then that helps ensure the owner of a vandalized Tesla is a card carrying Nazi.
This is a very clear case of business = money = fascism. He literally used Tesla shares as collateral to buy X to promote literal Nazi propaganda.
I do it (in a video game) and so should all patriotic Americans. It’s easy, free, and good for your soul. The Musk of ye olden days didn’t remotely present how he does now. Outside of sad individuals like myself who kept track perception tended to be neutral thru positive for most folks. Punishing regular Joe and Jane for a purchase made in an entirely different context is daft. There are other ways to punish Musk. Delete your Twitter account, buy elsewhere. Play Path of Exile better than him. If we were to go with the fear angle, restrict it to recent models released when it became glaringly obvious the kind of man he was. If we’re going that direction, which I don’t personally really agree with anyway. If you’ve proudly bought a Cybertruck and stuck a MAGA sticker on it, it says something for your politics. If you’ve some Tesla you bought 10 years ago before Musk went mask off, can’t afford a new car and someone burns it out like what’s that doing?
If you can't afford your Tesla to be torched then you can't afford a Tesla. Sell it.
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Norway28790 Posts
On May 27 2025 10:46 BlackJack wrote:https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4849Here’s the link of some of the Tesla vandalizing discussion KT_elwood said Tesla owners should have seen elons coming so it’s their own fault if they own a Tesla and they need to “up their insurance and buckle up” Zambrah said his only objection was that a car is a big purchase and not everyone can afford to buy a new car just because Elon is a nazi. Presumably this wouldn’t be an issue for torching Teslas at a dealer so i assume that’s fine Similarly Drone who is not at all radical said “torch a Tesla dealer, sure” but don’t torch random teslas because they might be owned by leftists that bought them years ago Kwark seems to have a pretty glowing endorsement for torching swastikars, in video games. Gahlo seems ok with it as long as it’s a cybertruck. So that’s like 5 people? Is there a # you’re looking for? Not that many active users on thread these days
Eh that wasn't really an endorsement, more like an 'at least that would make sense'.
I think protests (of any kind, really) need to walk a fine line between being disruptive and pissing off people that are /might be sympathetic to your cause. Torching teslas seems like a #2. Protesting outside dealerships? Yeah totally do that. In general, I think vandalism is very counter-productive - I think maybe you can make an exception for something like the MLK-assassination-riots, but the normal reaction I see is that people become less sympathetic and that the chance of a political win dwindles, although here you could also argue, I guess, that riots are also more likely to happen where the chance of a political win was small in the first place.
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On May 27 2025 15:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 10:46 BlackJack wrote:https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4849Here’s the link of some of the Tesla vandalizing discussion KT_elwood said Tesla owners should have seen elons coming so it’s their own fault if they own a Tesla and they need to “up their insurance and buckle up” Zambrah said his only objection was that a car is a big purchase and not everyone can afford to buy a new car just because Elon is a nazi. Presumably this wouldn’t be an issue for torching Teslas at a dealer so i assume that’s fine Similarly Drone who is not at all radical said “torch a Tesla dealer, sure” but don’t torch random teslas because they might be owned by leftists that bought them years ago Kwark seems to have a pretty glowing endorsement for torching swastikars, in video games. Gahlo seems ok with it as long as it’s a cybertruck. So that’s like 5 people? Is there a # you’re looking for? Not that many active users on thread these days Eh that wasn't really an endorsement, more like an 'at least that would make sense'. I think protests (of any kind, really) need to walk a fine line between being disruptive and pissing off people that are /might be sympathetic to your cause. Torching teslas seems like a #2. Protesting outside dealerships? Yeah totally do that. In general, I think vandalism is very counter-productive - I think maybe you can make an exception for something like the MLK-assassination-riots, but the normal reaction I see is that people become less sympathetic and that the chance of a political win dwindles, although here you could also argue, I guess, that riots are also more likely to happen where the chance of a political win was small in the first place.
Couldn't help thinking about a certain tea party. The US is basically the embodiment of "pulling the ladder up behind you".
What is Musk doing that makes protesting him by mildly annoying Tesla dealerships valid in the first place?
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On May 27 2025 11:22 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 11:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On May 27 2025 11:07 micronesia wrote:
I support protesters setting up camp at the entrance to every Tesla dealer in the country. You aren't buying a Tesla without making the walk/drive of shame in and out several times. If we're talking about peaceful protests and Elon-shaming/Nazi-shaming/Trump-shaming on the public space in front of a Tesla dealership, where's it's legal to assemble, then that's an easy Yes. Vote in my poll then fuck sake or I’ll look bad :p
I got you  .
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On May 27 2025 04:48 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 04:40 KT_Elwood wrote:
We know that being a violent murder mob that storms washington thinking that you need to defend "the country" is no crime for the trump admin. Even if you kill people.
I think it's time to claim that Trump has overstepped his constitutional rights and remove him and his staff from the whitehouse, as well as all the enablers in congress (D or R) "Even if you kill people." not exactly shocking opinion from German dude .
Well it's dear leader's ruling, that the Jan6 people where only good people trying to stop the steal.
It's not my opinion.
MAGAts are terribly afraid of Liburaals reading the bible and go for the old "Eye for an Eye" approach here, which would mean trying to yank politicians from their offices and trial them on the steps of congress.
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On May 27 2025 18:39 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 04:48 Razyda wrote:On May 27 2025 04:40 KT_Elwood wrote:
We know that being a violent murder mob that storms washington thinking that you need to defend "the country" is no crime for the trump admin. Even if you kill people.
I think it's time to claim that Trump has overstepped his constitutional rights and remove him and his staff from the whitehouse, as well as all the enablers in congress (D or R) "Even if you kill people." not exactly shocking opinion from German dude . Well it's dear leader's ruling, that the Jan6 people where only good people trying to stop the steal.
It's not my opinion.MAGAts are terribly afraid of Liburaals reading the bible and go for the old "Eye for an Eye" approach here, which would mean trying to yank politicians from their offices and trial them on the steps of congress.
Bolded - fair enough.
"MAGAts are terribly afraid of Liburaals reading the bible and go for the old "Eye for an Eye" approach here, which would mean trying to yank politicians from their offices and trial them on the steps of congress"
To be honest I would say when it comes to eye for an eye thing liberals have more to worry about than MAGAts.
In other news (somewhat old, not sure though if mentioned here) Bongino and Patel came out, looking like hostooges, saying that Epstein killed himself, on the basis of trust me bro .
I particularly liked Patel, somewhat ambiguous, statement "you know suicide if you see one".
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On May 27 2025 12:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 10:31 KwarK wrote:
The Tesla brand is inextricably the Musk brand. If I got a cool swastika tattoo in 1920 then by 1940 I’m getting a cover up. If I buy a Tesla in 2012 then by 2022 I’m selling it. Anyone not selling it can be reasonably judged as either supportive or tolerant of Musk.
It’s also a tangible way to harm him. His wealth, largely built on the Tesla brand, led to his position as an unelected fascist lurking in the Oval Office snorting ketamine. If people stop buying them because they’re afraid of the vandalism that’s an absolute win in the fight against fascism. The world would be a better place today if people had started years ago.
You might say “if people sell their Tesla that just means someone else buys it” but resale value matters. Teslas having shitty resale value makes them less desirable which again hurts Musk directly. Also if people who don’t want to be affiliated with Musk are getting rid of them then that helps ensure the owner of a vandalized Tesla is a card carrying Nazi.
This is a very clear case of business = money = fascism. He literally used Tesla shares as collateral to buy X to promote literal Nazi propaganda.
I do it (in a video game) and so should all patriotic Americans. It’s easy, free, and good for your soul. The Musk of ye olden days didn’t remotely present how he does now. Outside of sad individuals like myself who kept track perception tended to be neutral thru positive for most folks. Punishing regular Joe and Jane for a purchase made in an entirely different context is daft. There are other ways to punish Musk. Delete your Twitter account, buy elsewhere. Play Path of Exile better than him. If we were to go with the fear angle, restrict it to recent models released when it became glaringly obvious the kind of man he was. If we’re going that direction, which I don’t personally really agree with anyway. If you’ve proudly bought a Cybertruck and stuck a MAGA sticker on it, it says something for your politics. If you’ve some Tesla you bought 10 years ago before Musk went mask off, can’t afford a new car and someone burns it out like what’s that doing? If you can't afford your Tesla to be torched then you can't afford a Tesla. Sell it.
OR if terrorists don't blow things up, people can afford them.
Just sell your car because terrorists are targeting it has all the logic of selling ocean front property to someone if sea levels rise. The next buyer you can't find is getting hit because worthless terrorists don't check whether the car was bought used before doing their unhinged terrorism.
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You sure about that? So far its conservatives that, among various other stuff, share their attack plans on Signal, fire people that look after the nukes, buy "offroad" Trucks that can't offroad and vote for a president that thinks stealth planes are actually invisible...
I remember hearing that logistics and competence are important in war (see Russia), that doesn't seem to speak for conservativse atm.
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United States43964 Posts
On May 27 2025 20:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 12:27 KwarK wrote:On May 27 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:On May 27 2025 10:31 KwarK wrote:
The Tesla brand is inextricably the Musk brand. If I got a cool swastika tattoo in 1920 then by 1940 I’m getting a cover up. If I buy a Tesla in 2012 then by 2022 I’m selling it. Anyone not selling it can be reasonably judged as either supportive or tolerant of Musk.
It’s also a tangible way to harm him. His wealth, largely built on the Tesla brand, led to his position as an unelected fascist lurking in the Oval Office snorting ketamine. If people stop buying them because they’re afraid of the vandalism that’s an absolute win in the fight against fascism. The world would be a better place today if people had started years ago.
You might say “if people sell their Tesla that just means someone else buys it” but resale value matters. Teslas having shitty resale value makes them less desirable which again hurts Musk directly. Also if people who don’t want to be affiliated with Musk are getting rid of them then that helps ensure the owner of a vandalized Tesla is a card carrying Nazi.
This is a very clear case of business = money = fascism. He literally used Tesla shares as collateral to buy X to promote literal Nazi propaganda.
I do it (in a video game) and so should all patriotic Americans. It’s easy, free, and good for your soul. The Musk of ye olden days didn’t remotely present how he does now. Outside of sad individuals like myself who kept track perception tended to be neutral thru positive for most folks. Punishing regular Joe and Jane for a purchase made in an entirely different context is daft. There are other ways to punish Musk. Delete your Twitter account, buy elsewhere. Play Path of Exile better than him. If we were to go with the fear angle, restrict it to recent models released when it became glaringly obvious the kind of man he was. If we’re going that direction, which I don’t personally really agree with anyway. If you’ve proudly bought a Cybertruck and stuck a MAGA sticker on it, it says something for your politics. If you’ve some Tesla you bought 10 years ago before Musk went mask off, can’t afford a new car and someone burns it out like what’s that doing? If you can't afford your Tesla to be torched then you can't afford a Tesla. Sell it. OR if terrorists don't blow things up, people can afford them. Just sell your car because terrorists are targeting it has all the logic of selling ocean front property to someone if sea levels rise. The next buyer you can't find is getting hit because worthless terrorists don't check whether the car was bought used before doing their unhinged terrorism.
A car with a high chance of getting keyed still has value, just less value. I specifically addressed the resale issue in my post.
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United States43964 Posts
On May 27 2025 15:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
In general, I think vandalism is very counter-productive - I think maybe you can make an exception for something like the MLK-assassination-riots, but the normal reaction I see is that people become less sympathetic and that the chance of a political win dwindles, although here you could also argue, I guess, that riots are also more likely to happen where the chance of a political win was small in the first place.
Vandalizing in general, sure. Targeted vandalism in a way that directly hurts the wealth of a drug addict mentally unstable oligarch who is openly using that wealth to control the media to push pro-Nazi views and who is seizing control of parts of our government, that's smart, healthy, patriotic, and necessary. If people had started doing it a few years ago then the Tesla stock price drops and he can't buy Twitter on credit using Tesla stock as collateral.
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Norway28790 Posts
On May 27 2025 22:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2025 15:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:
In general, I think vandalism is very counter-productive - I think maybe you can make an exception for something like the MLK-assassination-riots, but the normal reaction I see is that people become less sympathetic and that the chance of a political win dwindles, although here you could also argue, I guess, that riots are also more likely to happen where the chance of a political win was small in the first place. Vandalizing in general, sure. Targeted vandalism in a way that directly hurts the wealth of a drug addict mentally unstable oligarch who is openly using that wealth to control the media to push pro-Nazi views and who is seizing control of parts of our government, that's smart, healthy, patriotic, and necessary. If people had started doing it a few years ago then the Tesla stock price drops and he can't buy Twitter on credit using Tesla stock as collateral.
To what degree can you really attribute Tesla's drop in stock price to vandalism? The reason I'm asking is that in Europe, I haven't really heard of any tesla-targeting vandalism, but I believe sales have tanked harder over here; the people who like EV's and the people who like Trump or are nazis are two groups with very little overlap.
Additionally I can totally picture some people being like 'god damnit crime is out of control we need stronger police presence' as a response to 'somebody fucking lit my car on fire'.
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