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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
May 18 2025 20:27 GMT
#99321
omg yes
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44311 Posts
May 18 2025 20:43 GMT
#99322
Joe Biden... aggressive prostate cancer.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/former-president-joe-biden-diagnosed-prostate-cancer-rcna207571
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
May 18 2025 23:38 GMT
#99323
He'll probably have another few years left, especially with presidential grade medical care. Hes in his 80s, this shouldnt surprise anyone really, doubt we're gonna see many other presidents live to Jimmy Carter's age.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
May 19 2025 20:29 GMT
#99324
On May 18 2025 00:19 Billyboy wrote:
Kind funny how Trump is changing his mind on taxes right in front of our eyes. He is no publicly telling CEO's to make less money when they have to have to pay the Trump Tax. I'm surprised all the librarian Republicans are not calling him a communist yet.

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“Between Walmart and China they should, as is said ‘EAT THE TARIFFS,’ and not charge valued customers ANYTHING. I’ll be watching, and so will your customers!”


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auto corrected to librarian Republicans, which I found funnier so I left it.

This could end up as a fantastic situation. Trump feeling committed to tariffs, and realizing his base will view it as a huge mistake once prices shoot up at Walmart, might be perfect for bringing down Walmart and other's insane profits
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany942 Posts
May 20 2025 09:45 GMT
#99325
Marxist Trump is dicatating prices and proft margins for companies now - soon profits will be nationalized and the american worker will be a proud hero of selective communism - with hedonistic leadership.

"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8510 Posts
May 20 2025 13:26 GMT
#99326
Police secretly monitored New Orleans with facial recognition cameras

NEW ORLEANS — For two years, New Orleans police secretly relied on facial recognition technology to scan city streets in search of suspects, a surveillance method without a known precedent in any major American city that may violate municipal guardrails around use of the technology, an investigation by The Washington Post has found.

Police increasingly use facial recognition software to identify unknown culprits from still images, usually taken by surveillance cameras at or near the scene of a crime. New Orleans police took this technology a step further, utilizing a private network of more than 200 facial recognition cameras to watch over the streets, constantly monitoring for wanted suspects and automatically pinging officers’ mobile phones through an app to convey the names and current locations of possible matches.

This appears out of step with a 2022 city council ordinance, which limited police to using facial recognition only for searches of specific suspects in their investigations of violent crimes and never as a more generalized “surveillance tool” for tracking people in public places. Each time police want to scan a face, the ordinance requires them to send a still image to trained examiners at a state facility and later provide details about these scans in reports to the city council — guardrails meant to protect the public’s privacy and prevent software errors from leading to wrongful arrests.


Since early 2023, the network of facial recognition cameras has played a role in dozens of arrests, including at least four people who were only charged with nonviolent crimes, according to police reports, court records and social media posts by Project NOLA, a crime prevention nonprofit company that buys and manages many of the cameras. Officers did not disclose their reliance on facial recognition matches in police reports for most of the arrests for which the police provided detailed records, and none of the cases were included in the department’s mandatory reports to the city council on its use of the technology. Project NOLA has no formal contract with the city, but has been working directly with police officers.

“This is the facial recognition technology nightmare scenario that we have been worried about,” said Nathan Freed Wessler, a deputy director with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, who has closely tracked the use of AI technologies by police. “This is the government giving itself the power to track anyone — for that matter, everyone — as we go about our lives walking around in public.”
....

Anne Kirkpatrick, who heads the New Orleans Police Department, paused the program in early April, she said in an interview, after a captain identified the alerts as a potential problem during a review. In an April 8 email reviewed by The Post, Kirkpatrick told Project NOLA that the automated alerts must be turned off until she is “sure that the use of the app meets all the requirements of the law and policies.” The Post began requesting public records about the alerts in February.

The police department “does not own, rely on, manage, or condone the use by members of the department of any artificial intelligence systems associated with the vast network of Project Nola crime cameras,” Reese Harper, a spokesman for the agency, said in an emailed statement.


...

The surveillance program in New Orleans relied on Project NOLA, a private group run by a former police officer who assembled a network of cameras outside of businesses in crime-heavy areas including the city’s French Quarter district.

Project NOLA configured the cameras to search for people on a list of wanted suspects. When the software determined it had found a match, it sent real-time alerts via an app some officers installed on their mobile phones. The officers would then quickly research the subject, go to the location and attempt to make arrests.

Police did not set up the program nor can they directly search for specific people, or add or remove people from the camera system’s watch list, according to Bryan Lagarde, Project NOLA’s founder.

Little about this arrangement resembles the process described in the city council ordinance from three years ago, which imagined detectives using facial recognition software only as part of methodical investigations with careful oversight. Each time police want to scan a face, the ordinance requires them to send a still image to a state-run “fusion center” in Baton Rouge, where various law enforcement agencies collaborate on investigations. There, examiners trained in identifying faces use AI software to compare the image with a database of photos and only return a “match” if at least two examiners agree.

Investigators have complained that process takes too long and often doesn’t result in any matches, according to a federally mandated audit of the department in 2023. It has only proved useful in a single case that led to an arrest since October 2022, according to records police provided to the city council.

...

Kirkpatrick said her agency has launched a formal review into how many officers used the real-time alerts, how many people were arrested as a result, how often the matches appear to have been wrong and whether these uses violated the city ordinance.

“We’re going to do what the ordinance says and the policies say, and if we find that we’re outside of those things, we’re going to stop it, correct it and get within the boundaries of the ordinance,” she said.

There are no federal regulations around the use of AI by local law enforcement. Four states — Maryland, Montana, Vermont and Virginia — as well as at least 19 cities in nine other states explicitly bar their own police from using facial recognition for live, automated or real-time identification or tracking, according to the Security Industry Association, a trade group.

...

5,000 cameras

Few people have as much visibility into the everyday lives of New Orleans residents as Lagarde, a former patrol officer and investigator who started his own video surveillance business in the late 1990s before launching Project NOLA in 2009.

Funded by donations and reliant on businesses that agree to host the cameras on their buildings or connect existing surveillance cameras to its centralized network, Lagarde said Project NOLA has access to 5,000 crime cameras across New Orleans, most of which are not equipped with facial recognition. The cameras all feed into a single control room in a leased office space on the University of New Orleans campus, Lagarde said in an interview at the facility. Some camera feeds are also monitored by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, he said.

Project NOLA made $806,724 in revenue in 2023, tax filings show. Much of it came from “cloud fees” the group charges local governments outside of New Orleans — from Monticello, Florida, to Frederick, Colorado — which install Project NOLA cameras across their own towns and rely on Lagarde’s assistance monitoring crime. He’s experimented with facial recognition in Mississippi, he said, but his “first instance of doing citywide facial recognition is New Orleans.” New Orleans does not pay Project NOLA.
...

Project NOLA found enthusiastic partners in local business owners, some of who were fed up with what they saw as the city’s inability to curb crime in the French Quarter — the engine of its tourism economy that’s also a hub for drug dealers and thieves who prey on tourists, said Tim Blake, the owner of Three Legged Dog, a bar that was one of the first places to host one of Project NOLA’s facial recognition cameras.

“Project NOLA would not exist if the government had done its job,” Blake said.



now that is one way to avoid red tape - in this case the rule of law. outsource to the private sector with former police ties and deal with the consequences later. I can understand the business frustration with "high crime", sucks no doubt.

but maybe, just maybe more surveillance/police is just a plaster on a gaping wound. how about fighting poverty?

nah, better do a Brave New World/1984 speedrun...
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany942 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 08:34:14
May 21 2025 07:53 GMT
#99327
Yeah. With wealthdisparity comes high crime area.

Of course the only option here is a privatized total surveillance system.

Why not pair that with autnonous murder drones?
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
May 21 2025 14:28 GMT
#99328
Another Congressman has died in office.

Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly has died at age 75

Connolly is the third Democratic congressman to die since March, only a few months into the new congressional term.

When the 119th Congress began in January, Republicans narrowly controlled the chamber in a 219-215 split. As of Connolly's death on May 21, Republicans control the chamber by a wider 220-212 margin.


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"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
May 21 2025 14:48 GMT
#99329
Elderly politicians dying of cancer and what have you is probably gonna be happening a lot
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
May 21 2025 14:56 GMT
#99330
On May 21 2025 23:48 Zambrah wrote:
Elderly politicians dying of cancer and what have you is probably gonna be happening a lot

This is something I could get on board Democrats fighting for more bipartisanship engagement on.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 15:02:20
May 21 2025 15:01 GMT
#99331
75 isn't that bad honestly... If the person is still fit. Plenty of 75 year olds are still very capable (but by far not all).


But why do these guys stick around if they are ill? We also got no term limits in Switzerland and politics by it's nature is a bit of an old mans game but it's nowhere near as bad as in the US? The average age of the big swiss chamber after the last elections was 52. Which is way better than I tought it would be. In the US the average age in 2025 was 64. 64 is retirement age...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 15:33:13
May 21 2025 15:32 GMT
#99332
On May 22 2025 00:01 Velr wrote:
75 isn't that bad honestly... If the person is still fit. Plenty of 75 year olds are still very capable (but by far not all).


But why do these guys stick around if they are ill? We also got no term limits in Switzerland and politics by it's nature is a bit of an old mans game but it's nowhere near as bad as in the US? The average age of the big swiss chamber after the last elections was 52. Which is way better than I tought it would be. In the US the average age in 2025 was 64. 64 is retirement age...


IMO it is totally reasonable to accept any potential lost leadership opportunities by disallowing elected officials from being older than 65. I'd go so far as to say someone should only be allowed to run for an elected office if they will end their term under the age of 66.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
May 21 2025 18:38 GMT
#99333
On May 21 2025 23:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 23:48 Zambrah wrote:
Elderly politicians dying of cancer and what have you is probably gonna be happening a lot

This is something I could get on board Democrats fighting for more bipartisanship engagement on.


Right now they’re already the ones doing the best job of facilitating elderly Democrats dying by having many old, dying Democrats stick around for so long
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
May 21 2025 21:00 GMT
#99334
On May 22 2025 03:38 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 23:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 21 2025 23:48 Zambrah wrote:
Elderly politicians dying of cancer and what have you is probably gonna be happening a lot

This is something I could get on board Democrats fighting for more bipartisanship engagement on.


Right now they’re already the ones doing the best job of facilitating elderly Democrats dying by having many old, dying Democrats stick around for so long

They are just doing all the heavy lifting with 6 out of 6 Congresspeople dying in office in the last ~year being Democrats. They need to get Republicans to take some turns.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
May 21 2025 21:03 GMT
#99335
On May 22 2025 00:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2025 00:01 Velr wrote:
75 isn't that bad honestly... If the person is still fit. Plenty of 75 year olds are still very capable (but by far not all).


But why do these guys stick around if they are ill? We also got no term limits in Switzerland and politics by it's nature is a bit of an old mans game but it's nowhere near as bad as in the US? The average age of the big swiss chamber after the last elections was 52. Which is way better than I tought it would be. In the US the average age in 2025 was 64. 64 is retirement age...


IMO it is totally reasonable to accept any potential lost leadership opportunities by disallowing elected officials from being older than 65. I'd go so far as to say someone should only be allowed to run for an elected office if they will end their term under the age of 66.

It’s hypocritical though since business owners can’t legally apply similar restrictions.

Of course, they do it silently, which is still illegal yet so rampant.

We do have mandatory retirement age for some jobs, but that is due to physical performance concerns. A healthy 70-something can totally do the elected official job, even if we want to restrict it for other well intentioned reasons.

I realize my standards are high though in this era of “if you aren’t pro-fascism you are already ahead of the curve.”
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7297 Posts
May 21 2025 22:00 GMT
#99336
Honestly I think a lot of people would be fine with no age limits if there were genuinely rigorous standards for health, instead morbidly obese elderly dementia patients, cancer stricken elderly dementia patients, and extremely advanced elderly dementia patients who dont even understand where they are at that moment are propped up and kept in office, and even when they receive "physicals" or whatever, they're routinely pronounced to be in suspiciously impossibly fine health.

I dont even know what the solution is, age limits kind of seem like the only way that avoids the powerful paying a doctor to give them a clean bill of health regardless of the actual state of their health. We clearly dont have the capacity or will to stop this kind of shit, so I'm on team Age Limits as of right now.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1057 Posts
May 21 2025 22:17 GMT
#99337
Easy solution is term limits on all positions. President already has a 2 term limit. Put a 2 term limit on Senators and maybe 3 on Representatives.

Sure, you technically can still get frail old people, but they’d have to do it without incumbency advantages. A full term Rep -> full term Senator -> full term President would spend 26 years in office which is far less than many Reps/Senators currently do and that person would have to pass more and more rigorous competition as they are forced up the ladder or out.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
May 21 2025 23:51 GMT
#99338
With 30 year treasuries passing 5% the US is considerably less credit worthy than I am. I got 2.25% on my 30 year mortgage. But I wasn't borrowing an additional $4t to fund additional reductions in revenue while gutting the IRS the way Trump is so it probably makes sense that the US pays over twice what I do in interest.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
May 22 2025 01:21 GMT
#99339
On May 22 2025 08:51 KwarK wrote:
With 30 year treasuries passing 5% the US is considerably less credit worthy than I am. I got 2.25% on my 30 year mortgage. But I wasn't borrowing an additional $4t to fund additional reductions in revenue while gutting the IRS the way Trump is so it probably makes sense that the US pays over twice what I do in interest.

What do you take if the US doesn't pay up on its treasuries?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42654 Posts
May 22 2025 03:34 GMT
#99340
On May 22 2025 10:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2025 08:51 KwarK wrote:
With 30 year treasuries passing 5% the US is considerably less credit worthy than I am. I got 2.25% on my 30 year mortgage. But I wasn't borrowing an additional $4t to fund additional reductions in revenue while gutting the IRS the way Trump is so it probably makes sense that the US pays over twice what I do in interest.

What do you take if the US doesn't pay up on its treasuries?

In that world the bank isn’t taking back the house either.
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