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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6090 Posts
May 23 2025 13:12 GMT
#99361
On May 23 2025 20:51 Velr wrote:
The speedrun to authoritarian shithole is almost as impressive as oBlade and others gobbling it up.

Yeah authoritarian shithole is when a legislature passes a law and a government agency uses it.

Authoritarian shithole is especially when someone uses a law after it was already established that the law doesn't really matter and everyone had basically a hall pass for it. It's authoritarian when you don't let people do whatever the fuck they want anymore. In fact, law itself is authoritarian. Republicans existing is authoritarianism. The concept of a western government, is authoritarianism.

And if there's one thing authoritarian is known for, it's courts putting an injunction on a federal block on students at a university almost immediately after it happens. Perhaps the defining feature of authoritarianism. Which makes this a textbook case, literally.

Otherwise the erudite rhetoric of
On May 23 2025 20:53 KT_Elwood wrote:
Antisemitism has been defeated!

Praise DJT!

Harvard (Who is that guy anyway? Sad!) shall be henceforth known as "Donald Trump, Friend of Jews, University"

And since you are all catholic now with Pope Leo the XIV (like a superbowl, very nice, thats what you get when you vote AMERICAN!) reject that big anti-semite from hundreds of years ago, Martin LOSer - I know it's luther, but it should have been loser, you know, like Joe Biden who lost the 2024 election!

Ban all evangelical and protestant anti-semitic churches that he sprang into life, that are just FAKE CHRISTIANS anyway.
TAX EXEMPT STATUS REVOKED.

Also the Antisemites ruined the cars, the big FORD company was so big and beautifil, until that one guy who owned it was a glowing Antisemite!

All Ford Cars will now be called FREEDOM CARS. And the Ford family will get deported to Sudan.

Thank you for your attention in this matter!


somehow bypassed my impressive but otherwise occupied gobbler.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26740 Posts
May 23 2025 13:48 GMT
#99362
The university’s leadership argues many of the government’s requests, including an “audit” of the “viewpoint” of its students and staff, go far beyond the role of the federal government and may violate Harvard’s constitutional rights.

DHS is demanding all records of international students participating in activities deemed “illegal,” “dangerous or violent” or threatening over the past five years, Noem’s letter says, pointing especially to audio or video footage of “any protest activity” involving foreign students on campus.


Aw golly gee I can’t see where people are getting those authoritarian vibes from.

The first bolded part, I still think it’s a very politically motivated bullshit power play overall with colleges, but OK. Case can be made there.

The second. Any protest activity? Any?

What’s authoritarian about demanding a list of foreign students involved in any kind of protest so you can potentially deport them.

It’s a very pro free-speech move. Good to see conservatives are delivering on free speech on college campuses after making a song and dance about it for years.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1680 Posts
May 23 2025 17:01 GMT
#99363
There is some interesting articles that pop up everyone in a while that show the parallels between narcissist's and how Trump is running the country. The TLDRs is basically about keeping everyone in a permanent state of fight or flight because of constant chaos of crisis manufacturing. Seems pretty spot on. And if you buy the comparison what other countries are currently doing to deal with the US, not good at all.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1680 Posts
May 23 2025 17:04 GMT
#99364
A couple of funny things to lighten the mood. Trump claimed he invented the word equalize (perhaps soon he will take credit for the question mark). And in the big beautiful bill there was a line in it to remove the excise tax from tanning beds!

I can't believe this is real, but of course it is.

“So that the American public knows what this bill does… Would you please read page 901, line 20?” Leger Fernández asked Smith.

“I think it’d be better if you read it,” Smith replied.

“Oh, he doesn’t want to read it!” Leger Fernández said with a laugh. “This is in their bill. They don’t want to read a line from their own bill.”

Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.) eventually read the provision aloud: “It says Section 11106: Repeal of excise tax on indoor tanning services.”

Amid more laughs, Leger Fernández contrasted the provision, which makes it easier to own a tanning bed, with the bill’s drastic cuts to Medicaid and food assistance. She took a shot at Trump’s tanning habits and wondered aloud if he put that language into the bill.

“There are certain elected officials who appear to have a certain orange hue about them,” she said. “Maybe they want to make sure tanning beds get a little bit of special credit.”
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
May 23 2025 17:57 GMT
#99365
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

Show nested quote +
The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 23 2025 23:20 GMT
#99366
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


The greatest victory fascists ever pulled off was brainwashing the world into believing "violence is never the answer" and other such rubbish. Truly straight up propaganda dogshit that spits in the face of thousands of years of human history. And to this day, the only way fascism has ever been defeated. Fascism is human nature.Blood, sweat, and tears have always been necessary to protect democracy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
May 24 2025 00:28 GMT
#99367
On May 24 2025 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


The greatest victory fascists ever pulled off was brainwashing the world into believing "violence is never the answer" and other such rubbish. Truly straight up propaganda dogshit that spits in the face of thousands of years of human history. And to this day, the only way fascism has ever been defeated. Fascism is human nature.Blood, sweat, and tears have always been necessary to protect democracy.


Im not sure if theyre responsible for violence is never the answer nonsense, but I definitely agree that that the sentiment is wrong and I agree that history is basically written in blood, just like labor law. Anyone who thinks that we wouldn't still be laboring under monarchs without violence is dumb as hell. Violence has been and still is a crucial tool, because no amount of peaceful protesting or strongly worded letter will stop an authoritarian, or a fascist, or any other number of scumbags from killing you or those you love, once they get enough power and are comfortable using violence then the only solution is to return it with greater force. Ideally we don't need to use violence, but when noone enforces any of the guardrails that exist to prevent the necessity of violence then... well violence is necessary.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
953 Posts
May 24 2025 11:26 GMT
#99368
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


"Stop talking to them, engagement with [...] beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone"

That doesnt sound nazilike... at all...

Regarding all the free speech comments, I remeber asking ages ago, if people would be as comfortable with free speech limitation if Trump was in power. Question itself was rhetorical, if it werent though I guess answer is provided pretty much on daily basis now.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
953 Posts
May 24 2025 11:29 GMT
#99369
On May 24 2025 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


The greatest victory fascists ever pulled off was brainwashing the world into believing "violence is never the answer" and other such rubbish. Truly straight up propaganda dogshit that spits in the face of thousands of years of human history. And to this day, the only way fascism has ever been defeated. Fascism is human nature.Blood, sweat, and tears have always been necessary to protect democracy.


On May 24 2025 08:20 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


The greatest victory fascists ever pulled off was brainwashing the world into believing "violence is never the answer" and other such rubbish. Truly straight up propaganda dogshit that spits in the face of thousands of years of human history. And to this day, the only way fascism has ever been defeated. Fascism is human nature.Blood, sweat, and tears have always been necessary to protect democracy.


Thats actually liberal thing, if anything nazis proved that sometimes violence is the only answer (unless you believe that there were some nonviolent means which would stop them).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26740 Posts
May 24 2025 12:12 GMT
#99370
On May 24 2025 20:26 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


"Stop talking to them, engagement with [...] beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone"

That doesnt sound nazilike... at all...

Regarding all the free speech comments, I remeber asking ages ago, if people would be as comfortable with free speech limitation if Trump was in power. Question itself was rhetorical, if it werent though I guess answer is provided pretty much on daily basis now.

It’s always been a matter of what free speech limitation, and is it even a free speech limitation?

Having the freedom to say what you want, but if people don’t like it well, there are consequences. Or the right to say something versus the right to a wider platform to say something.

It would be disingenuous of me to pretend folks haven’t overstepped the mark here, but for many it’s been an attempt to balance various values.

However, I do somewhat expect that folks who were banging on about the censorious left to have something to say on the matter now. Otherwise, I’m rather skeptical as to whether free speech was ever their issue in the first place.

Just to make it clear, not talking about you, but more generally.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
953 Posts
May 24 2025 12:57 GMT
#99371
On May 24 2025 21:12 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 20:26 Razyda wrote:
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


"Stop talking to them, engagement with [...] beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone"

That doesnt sound nazilike... at all...

Regarding all the free speech comments, I remeber asking ages ago, if people would be as comfortable with free speech limitation if Trump was in power. Question itself was rhetorical, if it werent though I guess answer is provided pretty much on daily basis now.

It’s always been a matter of what free speech limitation, and is it even a free speech limitation?

Having the freedom to say what you want, but if people don’t like it well, there are consequences. Or the right to say something versus the right to a wider platform to say something.

It would be disingenuous of me to pretend folks haven’t overstepped the mark here, but for many it’s been an attempt to balance various values.

However, I do somewhat expect that folks who were banging on about the censorious left to have something to say on the matter now. Otherwise, I’m rather skeptical as to whether free speech was ever their issue in the first place.

Just to make it clear, not talking about you, but more generally.


Italic - if by people consequences you mean people (eg. being punched in the face) then thats fine. If by people consequences you mean government (eg: government) then it is not.

Bolded - tbf my opinion on Trump overreach on free speech, is the same as it was on any other overreach, in this case however my voice would be a drop in the bucket here, so why bother posting?
I was however about to post about Hasan situation ( btw I deeply dislike dude) regarding recent Israeli diplomats shooting. I dont think (given what I currently know) that he should be in any way shape or form hold in any way accountable/connected to those. (granted thats assuming that there wont be any DMs unveiled, where he offers to pay the dude, or provides him with weapon, or such). It seems however like he may get in trouble for that.
If you are interested in my opinion on any other particular free speech overreach, just ask. I'll read about it and give you my opinion.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
May 25 2025 00:37 GMT
#99372
On May 24 2025 20:26 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2025 02:57 Zambrah wrote:
On May 23 2025 05:20 Dan HH wrote:
The Trump admin just blocked Harvard from enrolling foreign students, that's not surprising or particularly interesting, it's exactly the kind of move we've come to expect from the vengeful fascists. What I do find worth talking about is the coverage, such as this sentence from the BBC which is a perfect example of sanewashing:

The White House has demanded Harvard make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices to help fight antisemitism on campus.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05768jmm11o

Now all of you here know why the fascists hate academia, you've seen them cry for years about knowledge making people too liberal, you've seen them fantasize and make plans about bulldozing it numerous times. We've talked about the letter the Trump admin sent to Harvard in which they demand DEI for fascist viewpoints. The antisemitism pretext for punishment only showed up after their refusal to become a brainwashing tool.

But what does a person that lacks any of that context understand from that article? That:
- the White House is concerned about antisemitism at Harvard
- Harvard disagrees that it has a problem with antisemitism
- one or the other could be right, idk


Shit like sanewashing is part of why I think engaging with fascist fuckfaces in any capacity is bad and wrong. The only engagement a fascist should receive is a fist engaging their mouth.

Attacking them doesn’t work, being charitable is actively harmful, working with them is just catastrophic.

Stop talking to them, engagement with fascists beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone but the fascists. Their perspective isn’t valuable, it isn’t coherent or driven by morals or ethics or any sort of world view beyond whatever it takes to have power.

Owning them on the internet is a stupid waste of time, debating them is worthless, fascists have nothing of value to offer the world and should simply be shunned or physically beaten into absolute social irrelevance, and we’re going to have to keep shunning them and beating their asses whenever they pop up.


"Stop talking to them, engagement with [...] beyond stomping them into the dirt will never work out for anyone"

That doesnt sound nazilike... at all...

Regarding all the free speech comments, I remeber asking ages ago, if people would be as comfortable with free speech limitation if Trump was in power. Question itself was rhetorical, if it werent though I guess answer is provided pretty much on daily basis now.


Never heard of the paradox of tolerance, huh
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1150 Posts
May 25 2025 04:46 GMT
#99373
Nazis hide behind your humanity, not theirs.



"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6090 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-25 05:50:08
May 25 2025 05:49 GMT
#99374
Do you guys have any specific antifa direct actions upcoming or planned? I want to know whether there's going to be mass funded riots like 2020 or just a dribble of targeted assassinations like the United Healthcare CEO and embassy workers.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1150 Posts
May 25 2025 06:50 GMT
#99375
oBlade wants to participate in violence, call whats left of the FBI!
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2769 Posts
May 25 2025 07:05 GMT
#99376
On May 25 2025 14:49 oBlade wrote:
Do you guys have any specific antifa direct actions upcoming or planned? I want to know whether there's going to be mass funded riots like 2020 or just a dribble of targeted assassinations like the United Healthcare CEO and embassy workers.


When people feel they are pushed to their limit in for a certain reason some want to do something. If they can't protest peacefully in an effective way a small subset want to do it violently. In most countries that isn't a problem but you are a heavily armed society so a lot more people have the means to actually kill someone.

The CEO killing resonated because 60% of your personal bankruptcy is because of medical debt. People start seeing their parents who have done "everything right" not being able to retire because they got sick.
For Israel - Palestine you aren't even allowed to protest.

If further rights to protest in meaningful ways are curbed (which is happening) and a large enough section of the population gets pissed off about something there will be people killed.

When (not if because you aren't dealing with your debt) something like medicaid/care gets cut things will start to boil. In most countries that would result in massive protests but you are kind putting the lid on. I would assume it would just make it boil over.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43964 Posts
May 25 2025 08:41 GMT
#99377
On May 25 2025 14:49 oBlade wrote:
Do you guys have any specific antifa direct actions upcoming or planned? I want to know whether there's going to be mass funded riots like 2020 or just a dribble of targeted assassinations like the United Healthcare CEO and embassy workers.

You're aware that the babylon bee is a satire site, right? Like the onion but not funny.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1355 Posts
May 25 2025 17:18 GMT
#99378
JFC, I can't even imagine how utterly hollow as a person you need to be to find that article funny.

On top of that, conflating antifa (rw boogie man) with Louigi (radicalized through pain and suffering from US insurer) and embassy shooter (radicalized through witnessing endless suffering inflicted in a ruthless way) and putting all of that into the same sentence is breathtaking level of brain rot.

Seek help.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Calanthe
Profile Joined October 2012
United States148 Posts
May 25 2025 18:24 GMT
#99379
On May 25 2025 14:49 oBlade wrote:
Do you guys have any specific antifa direct actions upcoming or planned? I want to know whether there's going to be mass funded riots like 2020 or just a dribble of targeted assassinations like the United Healthcare CEO and embassy workers.


swallowed the bee here.
my heart's the bitter buffalo
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6090 Posts
May 25 2025 18:28 GMT
#99380
On May 26 2025 02:18 Jankisa wrote:
JFC, I can't even imagine how utterly hollow as a person you need to be to find that article funny.

Hollow, in the sense of not being filled with whatever issues would make someone think they are so good that them punching people in the face would be a benefit to society, and not realize that makes them the bad guy.

On May 26 2025 02:18 Jankisa wrote:
On top of that, conflating antifa (rw boogie man) with Louigi (radicalized through pain and suffering from US insurer) and embassy shooter (radicalized through witnessing endless suffering inflicted in a ruthless way) and putting all of that into the same sentence is breathtaking level of brain rot.

RW boogeyman members were arrested yesterday in Seattle.

They're all cases of political violence from people who have no power, no comprehension of the world, no morals, usually no hobbies to speak of, and no coherent goal except terrorism. They are all radicalized, as you point out, and none for good reason. Either the people on this page, like the guy above you who wants to grenade SCOTUS, have such machinations, or they're in a permanent state of bluster associated with an election not going their way. I want to know which it is.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
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