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On May 05 2025 21:28 Silvanel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:On May 04 2025 23:42 GreenHorizons wrote:The House is poised to vote on legislation to punish people for boycotting Israel on Monday. + Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/DropSiteNews/status/1918510149469188500 It’s completely bonkers quite how some go to bat for the Greatest AllyTM Not my politics, but I can see a rationale behind forbidding it by government orgs/those associated or under those banners. Extending it to private persons, if indeed this bill does that is just preposterous. US already has laws in place banning US companies from boycotting Isreal or working with someone who is boycotting Israel. I know because, every year corporation I work for sends me a mandatory compliance training on this issue (and others). Not sure if those laws apply to private citizens though.
Hm, perhaps I’m wrong, wouldn’t be the first time! I believe there’s something in a similar vein in the UK, although in that case I do believe it’s ringfenced around state institutions/state funding and perhaps I’m conflating the two.
Haven’t quite had the time to read up properly and discern what’s Reddit/Twitter potential hyperbole and the real bones of it.
Regardless I mean, IIRC this new more expansive bill is being voted on later today, so I guess there could be a yet further shift.
Also Happy Cake DayTM Drone!
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On May 05 2025 20:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2025 18:27 Vivax wrote:
After a hard day of work, mr. president wasn‘t impressed by the entertainment offered on netflix while scrolling through the program.
That required more punishment for the bloody foreigners taking ar movehs. Allegedly Trump was lobbied for a tax break for American made movies, which in his genius he decided that tariffs on foreign movies would do the same thing.
which is so weird, you can 100% see the smart idea that's underpinning whats going on, but its the insane execution to achieve a completely different intention that came out.
Like how are they going to decide whats a foreign movie and whats a domestic movie. If there are parts of a movie shot in America and some parts not in America is that tariffed? to what percent? can I make multiple versions of a movie that's just then mixed or adjusted in America to bypass a "made in America" law like any manufactured good?
Just cruelty inspired stupidity for all.
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On May 06 2025 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 00:31 Doublemint wrote:On May 06 2025 00:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2025 23:31 Doublemint wrote:Trump set to raise millions from crypto and memecoin this month@CNBC President Donald Trump has two crypto-focused dinners on the calendar this month — one aimed at deep-pocketed political donors, the other at meme coin millionaires. Both are poised to help him rake in millions.
The first event, a $1.5 million-per-plate fundraiser set for Monday, is among the most expensive ticketed dinners in presidential history. The second, on May 22, offers access to Trump’s inner circle not for cash — but for holders of the $TRUMP token.
Hosted by MAGA Inc., the “Crypto & AI Innovators Dinner” on May 5 features special guest David Sacks — who has been helping to rewrite the country’s crypto and artificial intelligence rules.
The second gala dinner will be held at Trump National, the president’s private club in the Washington, D.C., area, later this month. The guest list will be decided by a blockchain-based contest run by the creators of the $TRUMP meme token. Instead of cash, entry is based on how many tokens a user holds, with the top 220 holders of the token promised dinner with Trump himself. The contest runs through May 12.
The gala, which is black tie optional, offers a “WIP White House Tour” and special reception to the meme coin’s 25-biggest holders. The website hosts an active leaderboard displaying the usernames of the coin’s top buyers.
Government watchdog group Accountable.US described the leaderboard contest as “the most nakedly corrupt self-enrichment scheme in U.S. presidential history,” warning it opens the door for wealthy donors — including potentially foreign actors — to buy access to the president, while personally enriching the Trump family.
The fine print offers no guarantees about access to the president.
According to the site’s terms and conditions,Trump may not be able to attend and the event can be canceled “for any reason.” In that case, they’ll get a Trump NFT instead.
Still, the contest has supercharged demand for the coin — and lined the pockets of its creators. The $TRUMP token surged more than 50% after the gala was announced, boosting the paper value of wallets controlled by insiders and early backers.
Roughly 80% of the $TRUMP token supply is controlled by the Trump Organization and affiliates, according to the project’s website. Since its launch in January, trading activity has generated more than $324 million in trading fees for insiders, Chainalysis found. These fees are generated through the token’s built-in mechanism that routes a percentage of each trade to wallets controlled by the project — wallets that, according to the website, are linked to the coin’s creators.
Insiders have agreed, however, to delay cashing out their share of tokens for at least another 90 days, according to the project’s public disclosures + Show Spoiler +
gamification of the grift. nice touch really, gotta go with the times I guess.
I wonder what the people who decried "Burisma" and "HUNTER" are gonna say to Agent Krasnov's and his crime family's crypto schemes? 1.5 million per dinner plate, better be the best damn steak of all times.
or why in the ever loving fuck he is hosting fundraising dinners... he is a bit over 100 days in the office. is he running again, an 80something ain't gonna run either way, especially with Trump's diet.. but come on?
how are you ever gonna point to the CCP and their corruption, or something from Vladipooh's Russia? and keep a straight face? Rank hypocrisy, like the US always has. Whether it's the US influencing foreign elections or countries like Israel influencing ours, neither interfered significantly with the story that Russia's buff Bernie coloring book propaganda was unprecedented and devastating foreign intervention in an election. not even disagree all that much. hypocrisy is part of the game in power struggles. but we had a better grip on things... better than most really at least for a time. some things were simply unacceptable. now there is just a bottomless pit where a modicum of values and decency should be with some of these clowns that are swept into power across the west... this is just outrageous. I mean drug kingpins and warlords anywhere are looking at this going, "really dude? coming into my crypto lane AND doing it on the official?" Always has been a bottomless pit. Europeans started this country by committing genocide and enslaving people "for freedom" on the official. This is just another "good ol' days" argument about a time that never really existed. It's mostly about how people felt/feel about what's happening. This is typically more clear if you try to put a specific date range on it. Are there any modern nations that don't have a history of genocide and/or generally killing a ton of people for their land?
The original question was:how are you ever gonna point to the CCP and their corruption, or something from Vladipooh's Russia? and keep a straight face
My response was essentially "Rank hypocrisy, like always".
So an appropriate way to form this sort of question would be "Are there any other nations founded in the last ~250 years that have also been run by slavers claiming to 'fight for freedom'?" and/or some sort of similar level of hypocrisy.
(A genocidal) Israel is the only one that comes to mind for me off-hand, but I would believe there are others.
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United States43373 Posts
For what it’s worth one of the grievances named in the Declaration of Independence was that Britain was honouring treaties and respecting sovereignty of tribes that had been British allies during the war with France. The Founders had speculated on land that was occupied by sovereign tribes and stood to make a fortune if they could break the treaties and genocide the indigenous population. They weren’t just bad, they were bad by the standards of the time. What they wanted to do was illegal back then, that’s why they went to war with the state. In their own words.
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You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity.
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On May 06 2025 02:22 Sermokala wrote:
Like how are they going to decide whats a foreign movie and whats a domestic movie. If there are parts of a movie shot in America and some parts not in America is that tariffed? to what percent? can I make multiple versions of a movie that's just then mixed or adjusted in America to bypass a "made in America" law like any manufactured good?
Canada successfully enforced their mild Canadian content laws effectively. It can be done. It is a slow, careful, judicious process. Many politicians on many levels of government from both sides of the aisle were 100% in alignment with enforcing them. If everyone in the USA gets on board it can work.
Instead of Sesame Street ... Canada had The Hilarious House of Frightenstein. It was way better than Sesame Street.
One problem is that everyone can just pirate everything. With 80" TVs being under $500 any one can have the theatre experience at home. Anyone can just create their own movie nights. Who needs a theatre?
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United States24751 Posts
On May 06 2025 02:20 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On May 06 2025 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 00:31 Doublemint wrote:On May 06 2025 00:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2025 23:31 Doublemint wrote:Trump set to raise millions from crypto and memecoin this month@CNBC President Donald Trump has two crypto-focused dinners on the calendar this month — one aimed at deep-pocketed political donors, the other at meme coin millionaires. Both are poised to help him rake in millions.
The first event, a $1.5 million-per-plate fundraiser set for Monday, is among the most expensive ticketed dinners in presidential history. The second, on May 22, offers access to Trump’s inner circle not for cash — but for holders of the $TRUMP token.
Hosted by MAGA Inc., the “Crypto & AI Innovators Dinner” on May 5 features special guest David Sacks — who has been helping to rewrite the country’s crypto and artificial intelligence rules.
The second gala dinner will be held at Trump National, the president’s private club in the Washington, D.C., area, later this month. The guest list will be decided by a blockchain-based contest run by the creators of the $TRUMP meme token. Instead of cash, entry is based on how many tokens a user holds, with the top 220 holders of the token promised dinner with Trump himself. The contest runs through May 12.
The gala, which is black tie optional, offers a “WIP White House Tour” and special reception to the meme coin’s 25-biggest holders. The website hosts an active leaderboard displaying the usernames of the coin’s top buyers.
Government watchdog group Accountable.US described the leaderboard contest as “the most nakedly corrupt self-enrichment scheme in U.S. presidential history,” warning it opens the door for wealthy donors — including potentially foreign actors — to buy access to the president, while personally enriching the Trump family.
The fine print offers no guarantees about access to the president.
According to the site’s terms and conditions,Trump may not be able to attend and the event can be canceled “for any reason.” In that case, they’ll get a Trump NFT instead.
Still, the contest has supercharged demand for the coin — and lined the pockets of its creators. The $TRUMP token surged more than 50% after the gala was announced, boosting the paper value of wallets controlled by insiders and early backers.
Roughly 80% of the $TRUMP token supply is controlled by the Trump Organization and affiliates, according to the project’s website. Since its launch in January, trading activity has generated more than $324 million in trading fees for insiders, Chainalysis found. These fees are generated through the token’s built-in mechanism that routes a percentage of each trade to wallets controlled by the project — wallets that, according to the website, are linked to the coin’s creators.
Insiders have agreed, however, to delay cashing out their share of tokens for at least another 90 days, according to the project’s public disclosures + Show Spoiler +
gamification of the grift. nice touch really, gotta go with the times I guess.
I wonder what the people who decried "Burisma" and "HUNTER" are gonna say to Agent Krasnov's and his crime family's crypto schemes? 1.5 million per dinner plate, better be the best damn steak of all times.
or why in the ever loving fuck he is hosting fundraising dinners... he is a bit over 100 days in the office. is he running again, an 80something ain't gonna run either way, especially with Trump's diet.. but come on?
how are you ever gonna point to the CCP and their corruption, or something from Vladipooh's Russia? and keep a straight face? Rank hypocrisy, like the US always has. Whether it's the US influencing foreign elections or countries like Israel influencing ours, neither interfered significantly with the story that Russia's buff Bernie coloring book propaganda was unprecedented and devastating foreign intervention in an election. not even disagree all that much. hypocrisy is part of the game in power struggles. but we had a better grip on things... better than most really at least for a time. some things were simply unacceptable. now there is just a bottomless pit where a modicum of values and decency should be with some of these clowns that are swept into power across the west... this is just outrageous. I mean drug kingpins and warlords anywhere are looking at this going, "really dude? coming into my crypto lane AND doing it on the official?" Always has been a bottomless pit. Europeans started this country by committing genocide and enslaving people "for freedom" on the official. This is just another "good ol' days" argument about a time that never really existed. It's mostly about how people felt/feel about what's happening. This is typically more clear if you try to put a specific date range on it. Are there any modern nations that don't have a history of genocide and/or generally killing a ton of people for their land? Maybe a few of the post colonial states. They are very new and thus has little history tied to their nations. Countries like Micronesia for example? Show nested quote +The Honorable Tosiwo Nakayama, the former President of the Congress of Micronesia, became the first President of the FSM and formed his Cabinet. The FSM signed a Compact of Free Association with the U.S., which entered into force on November 3, 1986, marking Micronesia's emergence from trusteeship to independence. I have not personally committed genocide.
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I’ve heard the whole “Nazi mod” thing 100 times but genocide is new
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On May 06 2025 04:14 Sermokala wrote:You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. + Show Spoiler +Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity.
A genocidal Israel is simple enough imo, but there is something to France in the late 1700's early 1800's fighting against formerly enslaved Africans that were singing French songs about liberty during the creation of Haiti.
If your point was that Europeans (and "the enlightenment" generally) were full of hypocritical bullshit used to rationalize some of the most brutal and inhumane things imaginable under the guise of "civilization", I wouldn't really disagree with you.
That's sorta the point of the bit from the "One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" review I've cited.
“This is an account of a fracture,” he writes, “a breaking away from the notion that the polite, western liberal ever stood for anything at all.” It is a deft, broken-hearted, rhetorical savaging of comfortable people who say nothing (or pay lip service) but care only about preserving normality, convincing themselves that these things only happen “to certain places, to certain people”.
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On May 06 2025 05:41 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 02:20 Yurie wrote:On May 06 2025 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:On May 06 2025 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 00:31 Doublemint wrote:On May 06 2025 00:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2025 23:31 Doublemint wrote:Trump set to raise millions from crypto and memecoin this month@CNBC President Donald Trump has two crypto-focused dinners on the calendar this month — one aimed at deep-pocketed political donors, the other at meme coin millionaires. Both are poised to help him rake in millions.
The first event, a $1.5 million-per-plate fundraiser set for Monday, is among the most expensive ticketed dinners in presidential history. The second, on May 22, offers access to Trump’s inner circle not for cash — but for holders of the $TRUMP token.
Hosted by MAGA Inc., the “Crypto & AI Innovators Dinner” on May 5 features special guest David Sacks — who has been helping to rewrite the country’s crypto and artificial intelligence rules.
The second gala dinner will be held at Trump National, the president’s private club in the Washington, D.C., area, later this month. The guest list will be decided by a blockchain-based contest run by the creators of the $TRUMP meme token. Instead of cash, entry is based on how many tokens a user holds, with the top 220 holders of the token promised dinner with Trump himself. The contest runs through May 12.
The gala, which is black tie optional, offers a “WIP White House Tour” and special reception to the meme coin’s 25-biggest holders. The website hosts an active leaderboard displaying the usernames of the coin’s top buyers.
Government watchdog group Accountable.US described the leaderboard contest as “the most nakedly corrupt self-enrichment scheme in U.S. presidential history,” warning it opens the door for wealthy donors — including potentially foreign actors — to buy access to the president, while personally enriching the Trump family.
The fine print offers no guarantees about access to the president.
According to the site’s terms and conditions,Trump may not be able to attend and the event can be canceled “for any reason.” In that case, they’ll get a Trump NFT instead.
Still, the contest has supercharged demand for the coin — and lined the pockets of its creators. The $TRUMP token surged more than 50% after the gala was announced, boosting the paper value of wallets controlled by insiders and early backers.
Roughly 80% of the $TRUMP token supply is controlled by the Trump Organization and affiliates, according to the project’s website. Since its launch in January, trading activity has generated more than $324 million in trading fees for insiders, Chainalysis found. These fees are generated through the token’s built-in mechanism that routes a percentage of each trade to wallets controlled by the project — wallets that, according to the website, are linked to the coin’s creators.
Insiders have agreed, however, to delay cashing out their share of tokens for at least another 90 days, according to the project’s public disclosures + Show Spoiler +
gamification of the grift. nice touch really, gotta go with the times I guess.
I wonder what the people who decried "Burisma" and "HUNTER" are gonna say to Agent Krasnov's and his crime family's crypto schemes? 1.5 million per dinner plate, better be the best damn steak of all times.
or why in the ever loving fuck he is hosting fundraising dinners... he is a bit over 100 days in the office. is he running again, an 80something ain't gonna run either way, especially with Trump's diet.. but come on?
how are you ever gonna point to the CCP and their corruption, or something from Vladipooh's Russia? and keep a straight face? Rank hypocrisy, like the US always has. Whether it's the US influencing foreign elections or countries like Israel influencing ours, neither interfered significantly with the story that Russia's buff Bernie coloring book propaganda was unprecedented and devastating foreign intervention in an election. not even disagree all that much. hypocrisy is part of the game in power struggles. but we had a better grip on things... better than most really at least for a time. some things were simply unacceptable. now there is just a bottomless pit where a modicum of values and decency should be with some of these clowns that are swept into power across the west... this is just outrageous. I mean drug kingpins and warlords anywhere are looking at this going, "really dude? coming into my crypto lane AND doing it on the official?" Always has been a bottomless pit. Europeans started this country by committing genocide and enslaving people "for freedom" on the official. This is just another "good ol' days" argument about a time that never really existed. It's mostly about how people felt/feel about what's happening. This is typically more clear if you try to put a specific date range on it. Are there any modern nations that don't have a history of genocide and/or generally killing a ton of people for their land? Maybe a few of the post colonial states. They are very new and thus has little history tied to their nations. Countries like Micronesia for example? The Honorable Tosiwo Nakayama, the former President of the Congress of Micronesia, became the first President of the FSM and formed his Cabinet. The FSM signed a Compact of Free Association with the U.S., which entered into force on November 3, 1986, marking Micronesia's emergence from trusteeship to independence. I have not personally committed genocide.
😂😂😂
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On May 06 2025 06:06 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 04:14 Sermokala wrote:You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. + Show Spoiler +Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity. A genocidal Israel is simple enough imo, but there is something to France in the late 1700's early 1800's fighting against formerly enslaved Africans that were singing French songs about liberty during the creation of Haiti. If your point was that Europeans (and "the enlightenment" generally) were full of hypocritical bullshit used to rationalize some of the most brutal and inhumane things imaginable under the guise of "civilization", I wouldn't really disagree with you. That's sorta the point of the bit from the " One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" review I've cited. Show nested quote +“This is an account of a fracture,” he writes, “a breaking away from the notion that the polite, western liberal ever stood for anything at all.” It is a deft, broken-hearted, rhetorical savaging of comfortable people who say nothing (or pay lip service) but care only about preserving normality, convincing themselves that these things only happen “to certain places, to certain people”.
Not just Europe, the whole planet. Africa, South America, and Asia all have a long history of extreme violence for land. Every border on the planet is drawn with blood. Even if we go back as far as ancient history, peace loving cultures who can’t defend themselves always end up getting demolished by a war-loving culture.
The USSR was built on ethnic cleansing just like all the other imperialist empires. Persian empire, Ottoman Empire, Germans, China, no matter where you look, every border is drawn with blood.
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Humans have fought wars for land since the beginning of civilisation. It is just that in the past, conquest was viewed as acceptable, but it’s gone out of fashion so countries try to sugarcoat it.
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On May 06 2025 02:07 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 00:55 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 00:31 Doublemint wrote:On May 06 2025 00:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2025 23:31 Doublemint wrote:Trump set to raise millions from crypto and memecoin this month@CNBC President Donald Trump has two crypto-focused dinners on the calendar this month — one aimed at deep-pocketed political donors, the other at meme coin millionaires. Both are poised to help him rake in millions.
The first event, a $1.5 million-per-plate fundraiser set for Monday, is among the most expensive ticketed dinners in presidential history. The second, on May 22, offers access to Trump’s inner circle not for cash — but for holders of the $TRUMP token.
Hosted by MAGA Inc., the “Crypto & AI Innovators Dinner” on May 5 features special guest David Sacks — who has been helping to rewrite the country’s crypto and artificial intelligence rules.
The second gala dinner will be held at Trump National, the president’s private club in the Washington, D.C., area, later this month. The guest list will be decided by a blockchain-based contest run by the creators of the $TRUMP meme token. Instead of cash, entry is based on how many tokens a user holds, with the top 220 holders of the token promised dinner with Trump himself. The contest runs through May 12.
The gala, which is black tie optional, offers a “WIP White House Tour” and special reception to the meme coin’s 25-biggest holders. The website hosts an active leaderboard displaying the usernames of the coin’s top buyers.
Government watchdog group Accountable.US described the leaderboard contest as “the most nakedly corrupt self-enrichment scheme in U.S. presidential history,” warning it opens the door for wealthy donors — including potentially foreign actors — to buy access to the president, while personally enriching the Trump family.
The fine print offers no guarantees about access to the president.
According to the site’s terms and conditions,Trump may not be able to attend and the event can be canceled “for any reason.” In that case, they’ll get a Trump NFT instead.
Still, the contest has supercharged demand for the coin — and lined the pockets of its creators. The $TRUMP token surged more than 50% after the gala was announced, boosting the paper value of wallets controlled by insiders and early backers.
Roughly 80% of the $TRUMP token supply is controlled by the Trump Organization and affiliates, according to the project’s website. Since its launch in January, trading activity has generated more than $324 million in trading fees for insiders, Chainalysis found. These fees are generated through the token’s built-in mechanism that routes a percentage of each trade to wallets controlled by the project — wallets that, according to the website, are linked to the coin’s creators.
Insiders have agreed, however, to delay cashing out their share of tokens for at least another 90 days, according to the project’s public disclosures + Show Spoiler +
gamification of the grift. nice touch really, gotta go with the times I guess.
I wonder what the people who decried "Burisma" and "HUNTER" are gonna say to Agent Krasnov's and his crime family's crypto schemes? 1.5 million per dinner plate, better be the best damn steak of all times.
or why in the ever loving fuck he is hosting fundraising dinners... he is a bit over 100 days in the office. is he running again, an 80something ain't gonna run either way, especially with Trump's diet.. but come on?
how are you ever gonna point to the CCP and their corruption, or something from Vladipooh's Russia? and keep a straight face? Rank hypocrisy, like the US always has. Whether it's the US influencing foreign elections or countries like Israel influencing ours, neither interfered significantly with the story that Russia's buff Bernie coloring book propaganda was unprecedented and devastating foreign intervention in an election. not even disagree all that much. hypocrisy is part of the game in power struggles. but we had a better grip on things... better than most really at least for a time. some things were simply unacceptable. now there is just a bottomless pit where a modicum of values and decency should be with some of these clowns that are swept into power across the west... this is just outrageous. I mean drug kingpins and warlords anywhere are looking at this going, "really dude? coming into my crypto lane AND doing it on the official?" Always has been a bottomless pit. Europeans started this country by committing genocide and enslaving people "for freedom" on the official. This is just another "good ol' days" argument about a time that never really existed. It's mostly about how people felt/feel about what's happening. This is typically more clear if you try to put a specific date range on it. Are there any modern nations that don't have a history of genocide and/or generally killing a ton of people for their land?
I love the pivot. There is loads of countries that didnt commit genocide, There arent any which werent killing people for their land. You may not realise, but having aggressive neighbour invading with an army, more often than not leads to killing.
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On May 06 2025 05:41 micronesia wrote:
I have not personally committed genocide.
And I am willing to pay reparations for all the slaves I owned.
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On May 06 2025 10:14 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 06:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 04:14 Sermokala wrote:You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. + Show Spoiler +Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity. A genocidal Israel is simple enough imo, but there is something to France in the late 1700's early 1800's fighting against formerly enslaved Africans that were singing French songs about liberty during the creation of Haiti. If your point was that Europeans (and "the enlightenment" generally) were full of hypocritical bullshit used to rationalize some of the most brutal and inhumane things imaginable under the guise of "civilization", I wouldn't really disagree with you. That's sorta the point of the bit from the " One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" review I've cited. “This is an account of a fracture,” he writes, “a breaking away from the notion that the polite, western liberal ever stood for anything at all.” It is a deft, broken-hearted, rhetorical savaging of comfortable people who say nothing (or pay lip service) but care only about preserving normality, convincing themselves that these things only happen “to certain places, to certain people”. + Show Spoiler +
Not just Europe, the whole planet. Africa, South America, and Asia all have a long history of extreme violence for land. Every border on the planet is drawn with blood. Even if we go back as far as ancient history, peace loving cultures who can’t defend themselves always end up getting demolished by a war-loving culture.
The USSR was built on ethnic cleansing just like all the other imperialist empires. Persian empire, Ottoman Empire, Germans, China, no matter where you look,
every border is drawn with blood.
Yet there's a huge chasm of difference between the Haitian revolution and the US Revolutionary War/War of 1812, despite them being basically contemporary, with Haiti's revolution coming in between them.
The US wars were wars of genocidal conquest engaged in by slavers, hypocritically/ostensibly in the name of "liberty"
The Haitian revolution was actually about liberty/ending slavery. Independence only came out of France's "enlightenment" insistence on populating the island with slaves.
Not sure the hypocrisy of France's revolution juxtaposed with their actions regarding what would become Haiti fits here, but it's certainly something people should learn more about imo.
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Will socialist GH end up on Alcatraz?
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On May 06 2025 23:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
Will socialist GH end up on Alcatraz?
The reopening will be dedicated to him and his name engraved in the foundation to last for eternity.
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On May 06 2025 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 10:14 Mohdoo wrote:On May 06 2025 06:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 04:14 Sermokala wrote:You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. + Show Spoiler +Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity. A genocidal Israel is simple enough imo, but there is something to France in the late 1700's early 1800's fighting against formerly enslaved Africans that were singing French songs about liberty during the creation of Haiti. If your point was that Europeans (and "the enlightenment" generally) were full of hypocritical bullshit used to rationalize some of the most brutal and inhumane things imaginable under the guise of "civilization", I wouldn't really disagree with you. That's sorta the point of the bit from the " One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" review I've cited. “This is an account of a fracture,” he writes, “a breaking away from the notion that the polite, western liberal ever stood for anything at all.” It is a deft, broken-hearted, rhetorical savaging of comfortable people who say nothing (or pay lip service) but care only about preserving normality, convincing themselves that these things only happen “to certain places, to certain people”. + Show Spoiler +
Not just Europe, the whole planet. Africa, South America, and Asia all have a long history of extreme violence for land. Every border on the planet is drawn with blood. Even if we go back as far as ancient history, peace loving cultures who can’t defend themselves always end up getting demolished by a war-loving culture.
The USSR was built on ethnic cleansing just like all the other imperialist empires. Persian empire, Ottoman Empire, Germans, China, no matter where you look,
every border is drawn with blood. Yet there's a huge chasm of difference between the Haitian revolution and the US Revolutionary War/War of 1812, despite them being basically contemporary, with Haiti's revolution coming in between them. The US wars were wars of genocidal conquest engaged in by slavers, hypocritically/ostensibly in the name of "liberty" The Haitian revolution was actually about liberty/ending slavery. Independence only came out of France's "enlightenment" insistence on populating the island with slaves. Not sure the hypocrisy of France's revolution juxtaposed with their actions regarding what would become Haiti fits here, but it's certainly something people should learn more about imo.
People should also learn about the Dutch east indies and how post revolution France just set up it for the rest of its existence till ww2 to be a colonial state with the same conditions.
China's invasion and treatment of the Tibetan people as well as modern museums. Imperial Japan somehow being the force to finally end slavery in Korea yet also being the nazis of Asia. Also the literal nazis. The ussr and the genocide of the Ukrainians. Again, literaly the nazis are right there and up until recently were admitted by everyone to be the bad guys.
I'm not saying criticism of Isreal is anti jew but it's super fucking werid to not see dozens of examples of genocidal and slave taking nations in more recent history than the US.
Also again literally the nazis.
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On May 07 2025 00:16 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2025 11:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 10:14 Mohdoo wrote:On May 06 2025 06:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 06 2025 04:14 Sermokala wrote:You would have to do a lot of heavy lifting on what you mean by "founded in the last 250 years" qualifier. Beacue I'm pretty sure the French post revolution would be a much easier argument than modern Isreal. + Show Spoiler +Also how you would forget nazi Germany is pretty shocking.
I mean how many times have European nations been founded in the last 250 years. Is the fifth republic of France 5 different national founding? How would you define colonial nations like the Dutch east Indies? How would you extend that concept to non-European nations that kept slaves long after it became out of fashion in the west. Did the East India company or the British Raj practceing a form of slavery count as england practicing slavery or are they separate entities that were founded at some point.
Then you get into the argument of supply chains and neo-imperialism. Does it count as practicing slavery if your economy is only viable due to slave labor, but its okay because its in another country?
If you ask a vegan all land has been taken from nature and its proper owner has been genocided to seize it for humanity. A genocidal Israel is simple enough imo, but there is something to France in the late 1700's early 1800's fighting against formerly enslaved Africans that were singing French songs about liberty during the creation of Haiti. If your point was that Europeans (and "the enlightenment" generally) were full of hypocritical bullshit used to rationalize some of the most brutal and inhumane things imaginable under the guise of "civilization", I wouldn't really disagree with you. That's sorta the point of the bit from the " One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This" review I've cited. “This is an account of a fracture,” he writes, “a breaking away from the notion that the polite, western liberal ever stood for anything at all.” It is a deft, broken-hearted, rhetorical savaging of comfortable people who say nothing (or pay lip service) but care only about preserving normality, convincing themselves that these things only happen “to certain places, to certain people”. + Show Spoiler +
Not just Europe, the whole planet. Africa, South America, and Asia all have a long history of extreme violence for land. Every border on the planet is drawn with blood. Even if we go back as far as ancient history, peace loving cultures who can’t defend themselves always end up getting demolished by a war-loving culture.
The USSR was built on ethnic cleansing just like all the other imperialist empires. Persian empire, Ottoman Empire, Germans, China, no matter where you look,
every border is drawn with blood. Yet there's a huge chasm of difference between the Haitian revolution and the US Revolutionary War/War of 1812, despite them being basically contemporary, with Haiti's revolution coming in between them. The US wars were wars of genocidal conquest engaged in by slavers, hypocritically/ostensibly in the name of "liberty" The Haitian revolution was actually about liberty/ending slavery. Independence only came out of France's "enlightenment" insistence on populating the island with slaves. Not sure the hypocrisy of France's revolution juxtaposed with their actions regarding what would become Haiti fits here, but it's certainly something people should learn more about imo. People should also learn about the Dutch east indies and how post revolution France just set up it for the rest of its existence till ww2 to be a colonial state with the same conditions. China's invasion and treatment of the Tibetan people as well as modern museums. Imperial Japan somehow being the force to finally end slavery in Korea yet also being the nazis of Asia. Also the literal nazis. The ussr and the genocide of the Ukrainians. Again, literaly the nazis are right there and up until recently were admitted by everyone to be the bad guys. I'm not saying criticism of Isreal is anti jew but it's super fucking werid to not see dozens of examples of genocidal and slave taking nations in more recent history than the US. Also again literally the nazis.
I don't know what point you think you're making or what it has to do with my post your quoting?
On May 07 2025 00:04 Vivax wrote:The reopening will be dedicated to him and his name engraved in the foundation to last for eternity.
I mean, it'd be my fault, so I think it's the least they could do. + Show Spoiler +/s... because that feels necessary nowadays
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On May 07 2025 00:16 Sermokala wrote:
China's invasion and treatment of the Tibetan people as well as modern museums. Imperial Japan somehow being the force to finally end slavery in Korea yet also being the nazis of Asia. Also the literal nazis. The ussr and the genocide of the Ukrainians. Again, literaly the nazis are right there and up until recently were admitted by everyone to be the bad guys. .
I think I get what you mean. You mean the nazis did for a brief moment do something good there. But the way you phrase it makes my toenails curl because no, the nazis were very much the bad guys. The only reason they didn't genocide the ukrainians is that they didn't get to that part of their great plan. The east was supposed to get enslaved and slowly but surely "cleansed" of the lesser races (and if you ask me, I am not sure for how long it would have stayed at "slowly cleansed", given that their plans for who they perceived to be jewish people also were not always "kill immediately" but rather "lets ship them off to somewhere where they can be contained and die off eventually").
They got their asses beaten by another bad guy before they could turn around and do the same thing, but on a grander scale.
I am not very tolerant on this because hijacking russias current massive unpopularity with "if only the soviet union would have been stopped by the nazis" messaging to trivialize the evil of the third reich is something the current day nazis as well as misguided idiots are doing. Not saying that you are doing it, or that you fell victim to it. I read your message as "from a certain pov you could say they were the good guys in this isolated instance as long as you ignore anything else they did and wanted to do", but because of the mentioned reason I can't bring myself to letting the way you phrased it stand uncommented.
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No he just means that in the past months it seems like there is no longer unanimous agreement that the nazis were bad because people are openly supporting at least parts of what they were about.
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