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On April 17 2025 07:09 Vivax wrote:
I was joking about the smuggling relax.
I found the tone of your post funny so I felt like cracking a joke about it.
You‘re not telling me that it‘s US military intelligence running the post-election shitshow. I‘d never believe that. You can‘t make this stuff up.
Did he fake-fire the NSA chief in your opinion ?
i don't have an opinion on that. i don't have enough time on my hands to figure out how much US military intelligence runs the country. it'll remain a mystery to me. i do know the US President is permitted to run the country, at certain times, within a set of guard rails set by non-democratically elected powers. At other times the President is not running the country AT ALL. Reagan and Biden were not fulfilling their duties as President in the last year of their respective terms.
the elected officials get paid so little relative to the economic impact they have the system is set up for non-democratic influence.
o, and another one, Gore won the 2000 Election.
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On April 17 2025 06:57 Vivax wrote:
It‘s like I‘m listening to Han Solo here, you smuggle avocados too so that checks out.
i am not Han Solo. I'm the guy stocking food cans at this grocery store run by Darth Vader.
"... because that'll be the last time.."
we are constantly hearing about how the end of the world is nigh... its hard to take seriously after a while.
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On April 17 2025 06:08 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:Dan Abrams Destroys Argument That Past Presidents Have Defied Supreme Court OrdersDespite the fact that the Trump administration initially acknowledged Garcia’s deportation was an “administrative error” in court, they have since argued he’s a violent MS-13 gang member — a claim rooted in an informant’s accusation from six years ago — and ranking members of the Trump administration, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, have even publicly dismissed need for the administration to follow the Supreme Court’s ruling.
During a televised Oval Office press event Bondi said it was “up to El Salvador” to return Garcia, adding: “That’s not up to us.”
Abrams mocked that claim as laughable:
The idea that the U.S. could not get Garcia back by simply asking for him is absurd. We are paying for the prison space. El Salvador is a tiny Central American country with roughly the population of Missouri. They’d comply in three seconds if the U.S. made a serious request for the return of a prisoner.
He added:
There is no ambiguity. They must facilitate his release from custody. Not give him a ride back if he is released… The administration has made no effort whatsoever and doesn’t intend to do so.
What concerns Abrams most, however, isn’t just the refusal to act on the order — it’s the narrative being manufactured to justify it:
When JD Vance, or Alina Habba, or anyone else in the Trump administration talks so openly about defying the courts, and they try to normalize it by saying other presidents have done it, let’s be clear: That’s not true. What they are talking about is completely uncharted territory. What they are talking about is creating a constitutional crisis. And believe me, I don’t use that phrase lightly. There are others who say we’re already in a constitutional crisis – no! We’re only in a consitiutional crisis if the court’s rulings are not enforced. Particular, the high court.
seems like the bigger guns took note of the craziness the Trump admin is trying to pull in order to - what? show they are not actually incompetent? overthrow the system of checks and balances? at issue is the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, people have mentioned it here a bunch of times already. At this point it seems more like a "when" than an "if" Trump and the legal system are going to come to loggerheads. Right now they are both still going through the motions, but they are running out of dance moves before the jig is up. And then what? The courts don't actually have any means of forcing the WH to do something, everything relies on Congress being willing to remove the President for blatantly ignoring the law and I don't see that happening with this Republican Congress. People take to the streets and/or the world has a new dictator. Even Bernie and AOC are reluctant to support any substantive action though, so probably the new dictator thing.
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On April 17 2025 07:08 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 06:08 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2025 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:Dan Abrams Destroys Argument That Past Presidents Have Defied Supreme Court OrdersDespite the fact that the Trump administration initially acknowledged Garcia’s deportation was an “administrative error” in court, they have since argued he’s a violent MS-13 gang member — a claim rooted in an informant’s accusation from six years ago — and ranking members of the Trump administration, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, have even publicly dismissed need for the administration to follow the Supreme Court’s ruling.
During a televised Oval Office press event Bondi said it was “up to El Salvador” to return Garcia, adding: “That’s not up to us.”
Abrams mocked that claim as laughable:
The idea that the U.S. could not get Garcia back by simply asking for him is absurd. We are paying for the prison space. El Salvador is a tiny Central American country with roughly the population of Missouri. They’d comply in three seconds if the U.S. made a serious request for the return of a prisoner.
He added:
There is no ambiguity. They must facilitate his release from custody. Not give him a ride back if he is released… The administration has made no effort whatsoever and doesn’t intend to do so.
What concerns Abrams most, however, isn’t just the refusal to act on the order — it’s the narrative being manufactured to justify it:
When JD Vance, or Alina Habba, or anyone else in the Trump administration talks so openly about defying the courts, and they try to normalize it by saying other presidents have done it, let’s be clear: That’s not true. What they are talking about is completely uncharted territory. What they are talking about is creating a constitutional crisis. And believe me, I don’t use that phrase lightly. There are others who say we’re already in a constitutional crisis – no! We’re only in a consitiutional crisis if the court’s rulings are not enforced. Particular, the high court.
seems like the bigger guns took note of the craziness the Trump admin is trying to pull in order to - what? show they are not actually incompetent? overthrow the system of checks and balances? at issue is the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, people have mentioned it here a bunch of times already. At this point it seems more like a "when" than an "if" Trump and the legal system are going to come to loggerheads. Right now they are both still going through the motions, but they are running out of dance moves before the jig is up. And then what? The courts don't actually have any means of forcing the WH to do something, everything relies on Congress being willing to remove the President for blatantly ignoring the law and I don't see that happening with this Republican Congress. well let's be actually really, really, real here. GH might have his moment. in case all else fails, as is the revolutionary tradition in this country. however I think before that happens, the Trump admin will have to bow down to the pressure from all sides. the insane foreign/asylum/economic policies and others that are just too numerous to name... are not sustainable. they will be ejected by the voter at the latest when they lose the House and the Senate at this rate. to keep it newsworthy as well, here's another Ambrose Evans-Pritchard from the Telegraph. as I would like to remind people, this is a conservative(UK) outlet. Show nested quote +How has it ever been possible in history that the world’s largest creditor would be defeated by the world’s largest debtor?” asks Uncle Ming.
Well, indeed. America’s savings rate has collapsed to 0.6pc of GDP. The US treasury depends on foreign investors to fund a national debt rising higher than ever before, already 122pc of GDP with a structural fiscal deficit of 6pc to 7pc as far as the eye can see.
The treasury must roll over 33pc of its $36 trillion federal debt over the next 12 months.
China had nothing to do with last week’s Treasury rout, the defining fiasco of Donald Trump’s mad antics. There were plenty of other reasons: a disorderly unwinding of the “basis trade” by hedge funds caught flat-footed; and above all the capitulation of Republican deficit hawks in Congress, willing to go along with a budget gimmick that lets America slash taxes and spend trillions more that it cannot afford.
But it is easy to see how China could create panic just before Treasury auctions if it wished to do so.
Did Trump have any idea what he was doing when he launched his tariff war against China, jauntily shutting down the anchor trading relationship of the international system?
One might have thought that the political pain threshold of the totalitarian, web-controlling Chinese Communist Party was infinitely higher than the threshold of Walmart-shopping Maga America or Republican politicians facing midterm elections next year. And equally that Xi Jinping has much to gain from defiantly refusing to “kiss ass”, as Trump delicately puts it.
Bolded - because up to revolution GH is right, it is after it when he gets things wrong.
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So, apparently, advocating for due process is now aiding and abetting a terrorist, according to the deputy assistant to the president and senior director for counterterrorism, Sebastian Gorka.
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On April 17 2025 16:03 Legan wrote:
So, apparently, advocating for due process is now aiding and abetting a terrorist, according to the deputy assistant to the president and senior director for counterterrorism, Sebastian Gorka.
The labeling of any opposition as terrorism is an inevitable part of dictatorships.
Soon you'll be able to spot terrorists in America from miles away because of their hair colour and gender.
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On April 17 2025 02:23 Billyboy wrote:
So what is your solution mate? You're not willing to talk to them, not willing to find out what you have in common. What is the answer? Because most of the people would disagree with your assessment of them, be offended by you suggesting it and never talk to you let alone join you.
If you have no noticed you're losing, they are winning. And when everyone, including probably me now for just suggesting that we need to come together, fails your purity test then you end up losing harder, but I guess you get to feel superior. Which seems like many peoples main goal these days.
So not placing hopes in getting the worlds premiere superpower off the ledge of fascism into working with the cult members and fascist enablers is now "purity testing". Got it.
I guess for someone like you who (seems to me) has been holding water for these people while pretending to be a victim because "woke" the only thing that's left is attack the people pointing out who you have supported and are still counting on to "fix things":
I'm not American but the global recession that Trump and his kleptocrats are triggering will make me and everyone else in the world suffer, and it's going to be the fault of you and every other "blame the Democrats for not appeasing Republicans enough" American, congratulations, in my opinion History will not remember you fondly.
All I can do now is hope that you guys isolate yourselves from the world sufficiently enough not to push us all over the brink while Trump and his cronies rob you blind and throw you in gulags.
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On April 17 2025 07:08 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 06:08 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2025 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 17 2025 04:19 Doublemint wrote:Dan Abrams Destroys Argument That Past Presidents Have Defied Supreme Court OrdersDespite the fact that the Trump administration initially acknowledged Garcia’s deportation was an “administrative error” in court, they have since argued he’s a violent MS-13 gang member — a claim rooted in an informant’s accusation from six years ago — and ranking members of the Trump administration, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, have even publicly dismissed need for the administration to follow the Supreme Court’s ruling.
During a televised Oval Office press event Bondi said it was “up to El Salvador” to return Garcia, adding: “That’s not up to us.”
Abrams mocked that claim as laughable:
The idea that the U.S. could not get Garcia back by simply asking for him is absurd. We are paying for the prison space. El Salvador is a tiny Central American country with roughly the population of Missouri. They’d comply in three seconds if the U.S. made a serious request for the return of a prisoner.
He added:
There is no ambiguity. They must facilitate his release from custody. Not give him a ride back if he is released… The administration has made no effort whatsoever and doesn’t intend to do so.
What concerns Abrams most, however, isn’t just the refusal to act on the order — it’s the narrative being manufactured to justify it:
When JD Vance, or Alina Habba, or anyone else in the Trump administration talks so openly about defying the courts, and they try to normalize it by saying other presidents have done it, let’s be clear: That’s not true. What they are talking about is completely uncharted territory. What they are talking about is creating a constitutional crisis. And believe me, I don’t use that phrase lightly. There are others who say we’re already in a constitutional crisis – no! We’re only in a consitiutional crisis if the court’s rulings are not enforced. Particular, the high court.
seems like the bigger guns took note of the craziness the Trump admin is trying to pull in order to - what? show they are not actually incompetent? overthrow the system of checks and balances? at issue is the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, people have mentioned it here a bunch of times already. At this point it seems more like a "when" than an "if" Trump and the legal system are going to come to loggerheads. Right now they are both still going through the motions, but they are running out of dance moves before the jig is up. And then what? The courts don't actually have any means of forcing the WH to do something, everything relies on Congress being willing to remove the President for blatantly ignoring the law and I don't see that happening with this Republican Congress. well let's be actually really, really, real here. GH might have his moment. in case all else fails, as is the revolutionary tradition in this country. however I think before that happens, the Trump admin will have to bow down to the pressure from all sides. the insane foreign/asylum/economic policies and others that are just too numerous to name... are not sustainable. they will be ejected by the voter at the latest when they lose the House and the Senate at this rate. to keep it newsworthy as well, here's another Ambrose Evans-Pritchard from the Telegraph. as I would like to remind people, this is a conservative(UK) outlet. Show nested quote +How has it ever been possible in history that the world’s largest creditor would be defeated by the world’s largest debtor?” asks Uncle Ming.
Well, indeed. America’s savings rate has collapsed to 0.6pc of GDP. The US treasury depends on foreign investors to fund a national debt rising higher than ever before, already 122pc of GDP with a structural fiscal deficit of 6pc to 7pc as far as the eye can see.
The treasury must roll over 33pc of its $36 trillion federal debt over the next 12 months.
China had nothing to do with last week’s Treasury rout, the defining fiasco of Donald Trump’s mad antics. There were plenty of other reasons: a disorderly unwinding of the “basis trade” by hedge funds caught flat-footed; and above all the capitulation of Republican deficit hawks in Congress, willing to go along with a budget gimmick that lets America slash taxes and spend trillions more that it cannot afford.
But it is easy to see how China could create panic just before Treasury auctions if it wished to do so.
Did Trump have any idea what he was doing when he launched his tariff war against China, jauntily shutting down the anchor trading relationship of the international system?
One might have thought that the political pain threshold of the totalitarian, web-controlling Chinese Communist Party was infinitely higher than the threshold of Walmart-shopping Maga America or Republican politicians facing midterm elections next year. And equally that Xi Jinping has much to gain from defiantly refusing to “kiss ass”, as Trump delicately puts it. But that itself is a crushing statement on the political situation in America. The President can ignore the law ands courts until such a time as the ruling party is voted out because party loyalty is more important then the country itself.
And heaven forbid they doesn't get voted out for whatever reason ...
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On April 17 2025 16:03 Legan wrote:
So, apparently, advocating for due process is now aiding and abetting a terrorist, according to the deputy assistant to the president and senior director for counterterrorism, Sebastian Gorka.
Imagine if someone floated on a boat to the shores of Finland, snuck in on a beach, lived there as long as he wanted, had children with a citizen, was discovered and ordered to leave Finland, but protected from being being sent to one specific country, which is the one he came from and is a citizen of, predicated on the idea the country he came from, which is safe, was dangerous for him 14 years ago, and he was picked up hanging out with gang members, identified as a gang member, and that same citizen wife filed for a protective order on him because she said he punched her in the face and he had a history of leaving her full of bruises, and in a twist of events he ended up getting sent back to where he came from without the withholding order being lifted first, and then some Finish politicians who have never taken an international trip or been enthusiastic about anything think it's worth making an international incident to personally go to that guy's country and make sure he's okay and try bring him back to Finland. What?
Gorka would be directionally correct if he did say that. He's closer to terrorist than "Maryland Man."
While it's regrettable the right boxes weren't all checked before he was moved out of the country, it's really not the end of the world, like it's not worth advocating abolishing an entire police force because they misidentified someone or held the wrong person overnight. His existence in the US was hanging by a thread of the fact that of all the countries on Earth, there was an order (based on reasons that no longer make sense) in place not to send him back to the ONE place he's a citizen of and has any legal right to be in.
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On April 17 2025 19:55 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 16:03 Legan wrote:
So, apparently, advocating for due process is now aiding and abetting a terrorist, according to the deputy assistant to the president and senior director for counterterrorism, Sebastian Gorka. Imagine if someone floated on a boat to the shores of Finland, snuck in on a beach, lived there as long as he wanted, had children with a citizen, was discovered and ordered to leave Finland, but protected from being being sent to one specific country, which is the one he came from and is a citizen of, predicated on the idea the country he came from, which is safe, was dangerous for him 14 years ago, and he was picked up hanging out with gang members, identified as a gang member, and that same citizen wife filed for a protective order on him because she said he punched her in the face and he had a history of leaving her full of bruises, and in a twist of events he ended up getting sent back to where he came from without the withholding order being lifted first, and then some Finish politicians who have never taken an international trip or been enthusiastic about anything think it's worth making an international incident to personally go to that guy's country and make sure he's okay and try bring him back to Finland. What? Gorka would be directionally correct if he did say that. He's closer to terrorist than "Maryland Man." While it's regrettable the right boxes weren't all checked before he was moved out of the country, it's really not the end of the world, like it's not worth advocating abolishing an entire police force because they misidentified someone or held the wrong person overnight. His existence in the US was hanging by a thread of the fact that of all the countries on Earth, there was an order (based on reasons that no longer make sense) in place not to send him back to the ONE place he's a citizen of and has any legal right to be in.
None of which has a single thing to do with terrorism.
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Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
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On April 17 2025 20:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Didn't Oblade establish yesterday that illegal immigrants don't get due process?
This stuff is very good at showing why the term 'illegal immigrant' is dangerous and harmful.
People interpret it as meaning the human being is illegal. They don't get due process, because they are illegal. They are basically a terrorist.
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On April 16 2025 15:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2025 11:31 Falling wrote:
But it need not even be concern for Kilmar that has created this outcry. Base selfish, self-preservation should generate as much interest. It cannot be that the government can escape judicial review by sneaking people out on planes and they 'Whoops. They are out of country. They are beyond your jurisdiction. No way to get them back." Hell, if that's the way things operate, the government could just whisk the judge him/herself onto a plane and once they are out on open waters, nothing can be done about it. Once the judge is in an El Salvador prison, apparently there's just nothing US can do about it. Yeah but then we'll find out the judge hadn't returned his shopping cart once so it's okay. But then the stupid media will keep referring to him as "judge" instead of "cart terrorist" to stir the pot.
Can't even do political satire anymore
https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1912567112733753563
Of course they had Homeland Security comb through his life to find anything, that's the priority now. Reverse rationalizing why this guy deserves to be memory holed because they can't have him out telling his story.
Bonus:
Police said he was wearing “a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents” on the bills.
The officers said such insignia — indicating “ver, oir, y callar” or “see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil” — was “indicative of the Hispanic gang culture.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-documents-government-case-mistakenly-deported-abrego-garcia-gang-rcna201665
You got officers with 3 weeks of training reading hoodie designs like witches read coffee grinds, deciding someone's fate. The US is not a serious country at the moment.
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On April 17 2025 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 20:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Didn't Oblade establish yesterday that illegal immigrants don't get due process? This stuff is very good at showing why the term 'illegal immigrant' is dangerous and harmful. People interpret it as meaning the human being is illegal. They don't get due process, because they are illegal. They are basically a terrorist.
Different things have different processes. The process that is due to someone depends on the person and the situation. Traffic tickets do not have full jury trials. Lawsuits require a lower burden of proof than death penalty trials. Courts can do weird shit for bond and parole like tell you where you can and can't be and when, whether you can use the internet or not, whether you can engage in certain activities, and to wear devices on your body despite unusual punishment is ostensibly proscribed.
Ironically, subversive adovcates of illegal immigration SHOULD want the penalties to be higher so that any violations would take the most possible time and resources to resolve in the criminal justice system, thereby clogging the imperialist system that doesn't respect the international rights of people to exist in the US.
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Any migration is illegal because all the people comming to apply for a legal base to stay on a legal way, are don't have a right and thus are illegal even if they came legaly.
When something isn't legal, it's a crime, and thus every migrant is an illegal criminal.
Criminals are dangerous and so every migrant is a dangrous criminal.
See, wasn't that hard to follow.
You could ask "Sir, but what about Trump's mail order bride and her kids?"
But then I have to deport you to El Salvador for "Hating America" and "terrorism"
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On April 17 2025 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 20:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Didn't Oblade establish yesterday that illegal immigrants don't get due process? This stuff is very good at showing why the term 'illegal immigrant' is dangerous and harmful. People interpret it as meaning the human being is illegal. They don't get due process, because they are illegal. They are basically a terrorist.
That spineless little shit wrote 50 posts telling us to stop calling Trump a rapist on the basis that the state of NY technically requires penile penetration for it to qualify as legally rape whereas his victim wasn't sure if Trump used his penis or his fingers.
Now it's fine to call someone that was never charged or suspected of being a terrorist, a terrorist.
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On April 17 2025 20:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 17 2025 20:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Didn't Oblade establish yesterday that illegal immigrants don't get due process? This stuff is very good at showing why the term 'illegal immigrant' is dangerous and harmful. People interpret it as meaning the human being is illegal. They don't get due process, because they are illegal. They are basically a terrorist. Different things have different processes. The process that is due to someone depends on the person and the situation. Traffic tickets do not have full jury trials. Lawsuits require a lower burden of proof than death penalty trials. Courts can do weird shit for bond and parole like tell you where you can and can't be and when, whether you can use the internet or not, whether you can engage in certain activities, and to wear devices on your body despite unusual punishment is ostensibly proscribed. Ironically, subversive adovcates of illegal immigration SHOULD want the penalties to be higher so that any violations would take the most possible time and resources to resolve in the criminal justice system, thereby clogging the imperialist system that doesn't respect the international rights of people to exist in the US. there was a court order not to deport him to El Salvador. he was deported without that order being over turned by the courts.
Due process was no followed. Period, full stop, the end.
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whether or not he’s a gang member is utterly irrelevant. without due process you could be a gang member, because the truth doesn’t matter. you wouldn’t have the opportunity to prove your innocence. hell, he could’ve been a born-in-the-us citizen and still been an ‘illegal immigrant’ because by the time anyone figured out the fuck up he’d already be in el salvador. and by that time, tough tits you’ll die in prison.
it’s bewildering that this is so hard to understand. of course, this is by design with this administration and it’s state media. Trump said himself he wants to do ‘homegrowns’ next. He can deport whoever he wants to el salvador and nobody’s going to do a god damn thing about it. some people will even cheer him on. and some of those people will be in denial on the plane. it’s fucking morons all the way down.
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On April 17 2025 20:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2025 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:On April 17 2025 20:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Almost as if due process is important and skipping it creates a shit load of issues even in otherwise potentially simple cases...
The issue is not that some illegal was deported. Its that the government ignored due process and refuses to rectify that fact (the skipping of due process) despite being ordered to due so by the courts.
The issue is the US government behaving like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Didn't Oblade establish yesterday that illegal immigrants don't get due process? This stuff is very good at showing why the term 'illegal immigrant' is dangerous and harmful. People interpret it as meaning the human being is illegal. They don't get due process, because they are illegal. They are basically a terrorist. Different things have different processes. The process that is due to someone depends on the person and the situation. Traffic tickets do not have full jury trials. Lawsuits require a lower burden of proof than death penalty trials. Courts can do weird shit for bond and parole like tell you where you can and can't be and when, whether you can use the internet or not, whether you can engage in certain activities, and to wear devices on your body despite unusual punishment is ostensibly proscribed. Ironically, subversive adovcates of illegal immigration SHOULD want the penalties to be higher so that any violations would take the most possible time and resources to resolve in the criminal justice system, thereby clogging the imperialist system that doesn't respect the international rights of people to exist in the US.
And if I were saying that people with outstanding traffic tickets were basically terrorists and didn't need due process in the legal process of deciding that, then I would expect to be pulled up on it for being utterly ridiculous.
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On April 17 2025 20:08 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2025 15:30 Dan HH wrote:On April 16 2025 11:31 Falling wrote:
But it need not even be concern for Kilmar that has created this outcry. Base selfish, self-preservation should generate as much interest. It cannot be that the government can escape judicial review by sneaking people out on planes and they 'Whoops. They are out of country. They are beyond your jurisdiction. No way to get them back." Hell, if that's the way things operate, the government could just whisk the judge him/herself onto a plane and once they are out on open waters, nothing can be done about it. Once the judge is in an El Salvador prison, apparently there's just nothing US can do about it. Yeah but then we'll find out the judge hadn't returned his shopping cart once so it's okay. But then the stupid media will keep referring to him as "judge" instead of "cart terrorist" to stir the pot. Can't even do political satire anymore
Satire died in 2016.
How can you be a satirist when the people in charge go beyond satire every single day?
Every tool in the satirist's toolbox has been co-opted by the fools in charge.
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