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On March 13 2025 06:09 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 05:26 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2025 05:09 BlackJack wrote:On March 13 2025 05:07 KwarK wrote:On March 13 2025 04:12 BlackJack wrote:
It's certainly harsh to punish some naive hooligan as a domestic terrorist but as a matter of fact the destruction of property as a means of intimidation/coercion for political/ideological reasons can easily be considered terrorism. We already have laws against vandalism. What you're proposing here is a thought crime where they're prosecuted not for the vandalism but for the beliefs in their heart during the vandalism. Though conservatives have always believed that they deserve to be a protected class. Yeah... that's what terrorism is. We also have laws against flying jets into buildings. That‘s attempted mass murder, not vandalism. You‘re saying that if someone kicked a fence in because the owner is a Republican, he should get shipped off to Guantanamo ? Where do you draw the line. Terrorism usually involves an endangerment of physical well-being of other people, not objects. (And through physical action) You need to take risks at some point when the political establishment is turning to shit. These risks involve speaking up and possibly getting shit on. Beats getting shot at when you try that too late. I'm not saying anyone should get shipped off to guantanamo... I'm merely pointing out that as far as the definition of terrorism goes this clearly fits it. I'm sure this discussion will go how most of these discussions go... I'll make some analogy to highlight the hypocrisy like... "If a white supremacist went around torching the cars of black people because they don't think black people should be in their town then everyone would agree that's a form of domestic terrorism." Then someone will reply "Well that's different because black people are being targeted and they are a protected class. For it to be terrorism it has to be intimidation against race/religion/sex or some other protected class and not against a political ideology." Then I'll point out that that's never been a criteria for terrorism and it's something that was just invented for the sake of this argument. But it won't matter because 10 other people will come in and also perform the necessary mental gymnastics to agree with this new arbitrary criteria in order to prove me wrong. Eventually I'll get annoyed and give up and let people have their own definitions for words
Wouldn‘t that be a hate crime ?
My knowledge of your laws is at its limits atm.
Terrorism might be ideologically or politically motivated but is otherwise a pretty vague term amplified in use during the Bush era.
The amount of organization behind the attacks matters. Foreign funding etc.
9/11 was organized, funded and killed thousands of people. It wasn‘t the WTC they targeted, but the US as a whole.
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On March 13 2025 06:42 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 06:30 KwarK wrote:On March 13 2025 05:09 BlackJack wrote:On March 13 2025 05:07 KwarK wrote:On March 13 2025 04:12 BlackJack wrote:
It's certainly harsh to punish some naive hooligan as a domestic terrorist but as a matter of fact the destruction of property as a means of intimidation/coercion for political/ideological reasons can easily be considered terrorism. We already have laws against vandalism. What you're proposing here is a thought crime where they're prosecuted not for the vandalism but for the beliefs in their heart during the vandalism. Though conservatives have always believed that they deserve to be a protected class. Yeah... that's what terrorism is. We also have laws against flying jets into buildings. Is it possible you're being a little hyperbolic here with the argument that keying a Tesla is terrorism because 9/11. It's an example against your argument that "we already have laws against vandalism so we're prosecuting a thought crime." Pretty much every "act of terrorism" is already in violation of some other law that's already on the books. In fact the "thought" or "intention" behind the action is the most core tenet of whether something is terrorism or not. Setting a building on fire is arson. Setting a building on fire that's a mosque is also arson. But setting a mosque on fire to intimidate muslims is also... you guessed it... terrorism.
Okay but maybe we can make an exception for 9/11. The idea that if I'm okay with X then I'm surely okay with a million times X just doesn't follow. There's never been a requirement that we support 9/11 to be okay with things that aren't 9/11 before.
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On March 13 2025 06:35 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 06:26 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 13 2025 06:13 BlackJack wrote:On March 13 2025 06:04 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 13 2025 05:10 BlackJack wrote:On March 13 2025 04:59 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 13 2025 04:22 BlackJack wrote:On March 13 2025 04:19 Fleetfeet wrote:On March 13 2025 04:12 BlackJack wrote:
It's certainly harsh to punish some naive hooligan as a domestic terrorist but as a matter of fact the destruction of property as a means of intimidation/coercion for political/ideological reasons can easily be considered terrorism. Do you think there's a form of protest that the current government would support? There seems to be a strong urge from them to silence dissenters. Why would any government "support" any protest against said government? form of protest*, not protest. Well there have been protests happening daily across the entire country since the election... I don't know if the government is supposed to be supportive of that but clearly they are tolerated. You don't know if the government should be supportive of its citizen's right to protest? Simberto answered this at the top of the page. Maybe it's splitting hairs but you're using "supportive of protest" and "supportive of a right to protest" interchangeably when they are two different things. I am not. I said form of protest from the beginning. You misunderstood it as 'protest' and I corrected you. Given I can name three (campus 'illegal protest', tesla 'illegal boycott' and tesla 'terrorism') questionable statements from the current administration regarding its citizens' right to protest off the top of my head, I'd say it isn't unreasonable to suggest they don't support their citizens right to protest. I'm not pressuring you to make you fuck up fwiw. I know you as a devil's advocate and a free speech absolutist, and I was curious which would break first, given that this issue is at odds for those positions. I don't see a meaningful difference between a government supportive of a protest against it or supporting a "form of protest" against it. Either way, I expect any government would not want to support protests against it or any "form of protest" against it. Then you said "You don't know if the government should be supportive of its citizen's right to protest?" Which is an entirely different question. Yes, governments should be supportive of its citizens' right to protest. Are you now asking me whether Trump's government is supportive if its citizens' right to protest? I doubt it.
The question was never ambiguous, but I appreciate you (eventually) answering it!
+ Show Spoiler +It was never 'form of protest against it', just 'form of protest.'
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Anti-musk is not terrorism.
I can't speak for everyone, but all of my IRL friends hate Musk because he is the most shameless and dastardly example of personal capital inflicting extreme harm on human society. He is using his power and influence as a wealthy individual to harm governments in not just the US, but other countries as well. The things he does impact governments, but he himself is not the government. I think its an important distinction. All of the anti-Tesla stuff is aimed at him as an individual and all the influence he is trying to have over various governments as an individual.
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terrorism is defined. violence in pursuit of political aims.
setting a Tesla on fire because fuck Musk is not terrorism. there is no political aim.
setting a Tesla on fire to get Musk to step away from politics could be seen as terrorism.
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On March 13 2025 07:57 Gorsameth wrote:
terrorism is defined. violence in pursuit of political aims.
setting a Tesla on fire because fuck Musk is not terrorism. there is no political aim.
setting a Tesla on fire to get Musk to step away from politics could be seen as terrorism.
The definition becomes a bit easier to apply when corporations merge with government.
These days it looks like that‘s the case for a lot of them.
First the monopoly, then the merger. But it‘s not official.
I don‘t believe the US government can‘t freely access data from any major corporation without any legal impediment nowadays.
It‘s getting fast with the changes.
We look at things that used to be standard and realize it‘s just the skeleton of old laws that are left standing to give an impression of normality and not alarm anyone.
But we‘ve been going from pandemic to Ukraine war and somehow those emergency measures still don‘t want to leave the presidential seat…
Maybe I‘m overreacting but nothing really makes much sense since his first term.
The Ruskification of America
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On March 13 2025 07:57 Gorsameth wrote:
terrorism is defined. violence in pursuit of political aims.
setting a Tesla on fire because fuck Musk is not terrorism. there is no political aim.
setting a Tesla on fire to get Musk to step away from politics could be seen as terrorism.
Fair assessment imo
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Northern Ireland24665 Posts
On March 13 2025 07:49 Mohdoo wrote:
Anti-musk is not terrorism.
I can't speak for everyone, but all of my IRL friends hate Musk because he is the most shameless and dastardly example of personal capital inflicting extreme harm on human society. He is using his power and influence as a wealthy individual to harm governments in not just the US, but other countries as well. The things he does impact governments, but he himself is not the government. I think it’s an important distinction. All of the anti-Tesla stuff is aimed at him as an individual and all the influence he is trying to have over various governments as an individual.
He’s clearly a cunt, it’s also a form of terrorism definitionally to run around vandalising Joe and Jane publics vehicles, IMO.
I also think it’s a completely nonsensical thing to spend any time on, and we just shouldn’t bother.
It’s just bullshit deflection, and shouldn’t be indulged. There’ll always be some new niche issue that the ‘enlightened centrist’ throws out to hide that they’re running useful idiot for Trumpism.
We’re still discussing ‘wokeism’ and fucking ‘is vandalising Teslas terrorism’, versus, I dunno like 100 actually pertinent things right now?
It’s 2025, the left aren’t holding the levers of power anymore, one can’t go ‘oh I’m a moderate I’m just concerned about the excesses of the left’ and continue to play the same record in perpetuity.
I mean one can, but, rather naturally you lose any idiosyncratic, iconoclastic devil’s advocate cred you may have possessed.
Flip that lens, perhaps not in a 180 flip, but to some degree, or your centrist cred is complete nonsense. You’re not a centrist, you just hate the left.
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On March 13 2025 07:57 Gorsameth wrote:
terrorism is defined. violence in pursuit of political aims.
setting a Tesla on fire because fuck Musk is not terrorism. there is no political aim.
setting a Tesla on fire to get Musk to step away from politics could be seen as terrorism.
"Step away" is a bit inexact and still misses the fact that he could use his capital to change decisions of governments without being a member of the government.
This is much easier and more accurate to just frame as corruption. Elon Musk is the golden standard for private capital corrupting government. When people want Elon Musk to stop controlling governments using his insane wealth, it is not terrorism, it is defense of the entire idea of government.
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Northern Ireland24665 Posts
On March 13 2025 07:57 Gorsameth wrote:
terrorism is defined. violence in pursuit of political aims.
setting a Tesla on fire because fuck Musk is not terrorism. there is no political aim.
setting a Tesla on fire to get Musk to step away from politics could be seen as terrorism.
I don’t think it necessarily has to be that defined.
Living in a place still blighted by it, albeit much, much less.
You still get the KAT/KAH* graffiti, you still get people being intimidated to leave their homes for living in the wrong area.
*Kill all Catholics/Kill all Protestants. (KA taigs/huns)
Burning a Catholic family out of their house doesn’t have to be welded to a political program.
Or vice versa, I’m a non-god Prod myself and I hate my own community and political representatives.
It’s an aimless terrorism, but it’s terrorism nonetheless to those subjected to its tendrils.
Like idk kicking a Brit family out of your area isn’t going to make the prospect of a United Ireland more likely, it’s not a sensible political move but it happens. And it’s motivated by political aims and identity. Feels pretty terroristic to me
Equally this topic, it’s beyond niche. Expecting me to be outraged on this while you say sweet fucking Fanny Adams on anything else? Lmao yeah sure, good one. Hope my partner passes muster while I cuck her out to the Donald
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On March 13 2025 05:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 04:22 oBlade wrote:Anybody messing with transportation in any way should be poetically railroaded by terrorism statutes. Mass slashing of tires, breaking city blocks worth of windows, catalytic converter harvesting, blocking entire highways with those conga lines. If it creates fear or has any political component, as we already know it does with Tesla, it belongs in GITMO not society. No country need tolerate this. Counterpoint: Saboteurs in the third Reich faced execution, they‘d be the terrorists you‘d speak highly of in another context. It‘s currently not very clear yet if the US is approaching that tier of villainy. But the danger is always there once the technology is advanced enough and everyone on the left has been branded a terrorist and punished. Looks like Trump is scrambling to find an enemy in his narrative and so far he has presented Canada, Europe, China, Mexico, Ukraine and Russia as potential adversaries who didn‘t say thank you enough perhaps. I think you‘re mostly safe until paramilitaries start terrorizing people though.
He's not "scrambling," he's railed against foreign trade deficits for 40 years, and at least two of that list are explicitly recognized as geopolitical rivals to the US even by the establishment.
If you were living on the eastern frontier and some partisans blew up your barn killing all your horses, you wouldn't appreciate this as being righteous sabotage against the Third Reich's efforts. It would be citizens terrorizing citizens. Neighbors preying on weaker neighbors. Every state recognizes violence against itself already, whether that's Timothy McVeigh or Stauffenberg. But the notion a country can't keep its citizens safe because a hypothetical totalitarian state might interpret keeping its citizens as a Futurama Santa Claus locking-up of tens of millions of anti-voters reeks of the slippery slope fallacy. If we arrest very bad people, what if the government later arrests normal people? Better not to risk it then? And the whole idea of arresting criminals is rooted in authoritarianism? Not buying it for now.
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On March 13 2025 14:09 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 05:07 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2025 04:22 oBlade wrote:Anybody messing with transportation in any way should be poetically railroaded by terrorism statutes. Mass slashing of tires, breaking city blocks worth of windows, catalytic converter harvesting, blocking entire highways with those conga lines. If it creates fear or has any political component, as we already know it does with Tesla, it belongs in GITMO not society. No country need tolerate this. Counterpoint: Saboteurs in the third Reich faced execution, they‘d be the terrorists you‘d speak highly of in another context. It‘s currently not very clear yet if the US is approaching that tier of villainy. But the danger is always there once the technology is advanced enough and everyone on the left has been branded a terrorist and punished. Looks like Trump is scrambling to find an enemy in his narrative and so far he has presented Canada, Europe, China, Mexico, Ukraine and Russia as potential adversaries who didn‘t say thank you enough perhaps. I think you‘re mostly safe until paramilitaries start terrorizing people though. He's not "scrambling," he's railed against foreign trade deficits for 40 years, and at least two of that list are explicitly recognized as geopolitical rivals to the US even by the establishment. If you were living on the eastern frontier and some partisans blew up your barn killing all your horses, you wouldn't appreciate this as being righteous sabotage against the Third Reich's efforts. It would be citizens terrorizing citizens. Neighbors preying on weaker neighbors. Every state recognizes violence against itself already, whether that's Timothy McVeigh or Stauffenberg. But the notion a country can't keep its citizens safe because a hypothetical totalitarian state might interpret keeping its citizens as a Futurama Santa Claus locking-up of tens of millions of anti-voters reeks of the slippery slope fallacy. If we arrest very bad people, what if the government later arrests normal people? Better not to risk it then? And the whole idea of arresting criminals is rooted in authoritarianism? Not buying it for now.
Yes, it’s just trade deficits. Canada should be the 51st State. Europe should pay its way. Oh wait it did but fuck them anyway. China did Covid. Ukraine should fuck up and be grateful. Russia should [insert when something actually happens there]
Why cuck so, so hard for this man? Like if I want to sit in the corner while my partner gets ploughed, I’d at least want the other half of that equation to be decent to look at, metaphorically speaking.
But Trump? Lmao. It’s fucking unreal, I half expect some kind of Truman Show/aliens were just running an experiment style reveal.
It’s profoundly ridiculous. In certain ways he’s worse than a Hitler or Stalin, and unlike those blokes people are free to criticise and choose to tie themselves up in a million knots of absolute bullshit than ever do so.
Ya can say many things about Hitler or Stalin, ya can’t say they didn’t care. Trump is a dictator without a cause, both of which in any sane world would disqualify him for this kind of position.
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The salt of the libs is worth its weight in gold.
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On March 13 2025 05:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh I'd assume an american tesla owner is still more likely to be a liberal/democrat than a maga republican. Might not apply to vehicles sold in the past four months or whatnot but I never associated MAGA with EVs, and I know left-leaning people who bought teslas two years ago thinking 'well ok musk is kinda fucked up but it's a better bang for the buck than I get elsewhere so fuck it'. They'd buy something else now, but his real political leanings weren't public knowledge one year+ ago.
So pretty dumb target for vandalism. Hit a tesla dealer, sure.
They want a predatory money driven society.
Hitting Teslerrr dealers eliminates their inventory for insurance money - which they GLAAADLY take over eating the loss of unsold cars.
Private cars being vandalized hurts the brand so much more.
To the Tesla owner:
If you don't want to eat the volatility of not having a car in the morning, and want to get rid of the tesler AND you'd be better off getting the insurance money for a vandalized Tesla than to sell it, then just park it somewhere unsafe.
Maybe you have a latino community nearby? How about the sticker ICE ICE and a baby wearing a sombrero?
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On March 13 2025 17:07 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 05:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Tbh I'd assume an american tesla owner is still more likely to be a liberal/democrat than a maga republican. Might not apply to vehicles sold in the past four months or whatnot but I never associated MAGA with EVs, and I know left-leaning people who bought teslas two years ago thinking 'well ok musk is kinda fucked up but it's a better bang for the buck than I get elsewhere so fuck it'. They'd buy something else now, but his real political leanings weren't public knowledge one year+ ago.
So pretty dumb target for vandalism. Hit a tesla dealer, sure. They want a predatory money driven society. Hitting Teslerrr dealers eliminates their inventory for insurance money - which they GLAAADLY take over eating the loss of unsold cars. Private cars being vandalized hurts the brand so much more. To the Tesla owner: If you don't want to eat the volatility of not having a car in the morning, and want to get rid of the tesler AND you'd be better off getting the insurance money for a vandalized Tesla than to sell it, then just park it somewhere unsafe. Maybe you have a latino community nearby? How about the sticker ICE ICE and a baby wearing a sombrero?
There is no bigger liability to the brand right now than Elon Musk, doing Elon Musk things. Republicans may buy sneakers too, I’m not so sure they’re big EV enthusiasts on average to make up for all the antipathy Musk has inspired.
Sorry I mean consumers are now engaging in an illegal boycott of Tesla, but the point still broadly stands.
If you’re vandalising Teslas to make some political statement, you are probably an idiot. Chances are it probably belongs to someone who bought it years ago to try and be a little less shit to the environment
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On March 13 2025 14:55 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 14:09 oBlade wrote:On March 13 2025 05:07 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2025 04:22 oBlade wrote:Anybody messing with transportation in any way should be poetically railroaded by terrorism statutes. Mass slashing of tires, breaking city blocks worth of windows, catalytic converter harvesting, blocking entire highways with those conga lines. If it creates fear or has any political component, as we already know it does with Tesla, it belongs in GITMO not society. No country need tolerate this. Counterpoint: Saboteurs in the third Reich faced execution, they‘d be the terrorists you‘d speak highly of in another context. It‘s currently not very clear yet if the US is approaching that tier of villainy. But the danger is always there once the technology is advanced enough and everyone on the left has been branded a terrorist and punished. Looks like Trump is scrambling to find an enemy in his narrative and so far he has presented Canada, Europe, China, Mexico, Ukraine and Russia as potential adversaries who didn‘t say thank you enough perhaps. I think you‘re mostly safe until paramilitaries start terrorizing people though. He's not "scrambling," he's railed against foreign trade deficits for 40 years, and at least two of that list are explicitly recognized as geopolitical rivals to the US even by the establishment. If you were living on the eastern frontier and some partisans blew up your barn killing all your horses, you wouldn't appreciate this as being righteous sabotage against the Third Reich's efforts. It would be citizens terrorizing citizens. Neighbors preying on weaker neighbors. Every state recognizes violence against itself already, whether that's Timothy McVeigh or Stauffenberg. But the notion a country can't keep its citizens safe because a hypothetical totalitarian state might interpret keeping its citizens as a Futurama Santa Claus locking-up of tens of millions of anti-voters reeks of the slippery slope fallacy. If we arrest very bad people, what if the government later arrests normal people? Better not to risk it then? And the whole idea of arresting criminals is rooted in authoritarianism? Not buying it for now. Yes, it’s just trade deficits. Canada should be the 51st State. Europe should pay its way. Oh wait it did but fuck them anyway. China did Covid. Ukraine should fuck up and be grateful. Russia should [insert when something actually happens there] Why cuck so, so hard for this man? Like if I want to sit in the corner while my partner gets ploughed, I’d at least want the other half of that equation to be decent to look at, metaphorically speaking. But Trump? Lmao. It’s fucking unreal, I half expect some kind of Truman Show/aliens were just running an experiment style reveal. It’s profoundly ridiculous. In certain ways he’s worse than a Hitler or Stalin, and unlike those blokes people are free to criticise and choose to tie themselves up in a million knots of absolute bullshit than ever do so. Ya can say many things about Hitler or Stalin, ya can’t say they didn’t care. Trump is a dictator without a cause, both of which in any sane world would disqualify him for this kind of position.
Ukraine has already fucked up but I suspect you meant to write "shut the."
German intelligence concluded covid was a likely lab leak in 2020. Were they acting on Drumpf's orders?
Almost every state in the Union was not a state, until it became a state. With the exception of the original 13 colonies, and a few special cases of states being spun off other states, mostly from Virginia. When Hawaii became a state, it was because it wasn't a part of America, and then it was a part of America, and then it became a state. This process is not historically finalized or finished at any point. There is no condition in the Constitution that decrees when the US is "done." The fact that the flag has had exactly 50 stars your whole life means nothing. It is possible to expand the Union. It is possible to shrink it. Inside the confines of the US's own system. With no revolution. There can be a State of Puerto Rico. There can be a Douglass Commonwealth. There can be a Jefferson State. You've probably heard of one of those. Think outside the box.
There can even be one or a bunch of states from Canada as well. I certainly don't think the cultural, economic, or geographic gaps between Canada and the US are so wide as to make the exercise impossible and I don't hate the northern neighbors in any way that would preclude them from the chance at joining the Union. Do you? I've driven to Alaska. The idea of it not being an international trip is intriguing. I find the proposition worth investigation. I certainly don't see that it's self-disproving such that just listing it the way you have does anything other than show us your Trump "ick." Which is probably the only purpose of your whole post anyway. In the 50s you would be one of the people posting in newspapers "Alaska the 49th state? It's not even connected to the rest. Eisenhower is a dictator." The box is comfortable but not useful.
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On March 13 2025 17:30 WombaT wrote:
There is no bigger liability to the brand right now than Elon Musk, doing Elon Musk things. Republicans may buy sneakers too, I’m not so sure they’re big EV enthusiasts on average to make up for all the antipathy Musk has inspired.
Sorry I mean consumers are now engaging in an illegal boycott of Tesla, but the point still broadly stands.
If you’re vandalising Teslas to make some political statement, you are probably an idiot. Chances are it probably belongs to someone who bought it years ago to try and be a little less shit to the environment
Normaly I'd agree, but this is far more than protesting a greedy or shitty person CEO.
And society is constructed as protest and change will hurt the little people FIRST to get the big people.
If you boycott any company, they will lay off people who didn't had a say in any decision.
Than they going to show up at the balcony and blame YOU for Marry "oneEye" McSingleparent losing her house and the kids now having to go to TrumpCollege.
it's just sad to waste ressources like "a car" in forms of protest.. but could be really necessary.
Same with Tesler Owners. Sucks for them.. but Elon being a liability was telegraphed since at least 5 years ago.
So.. up your insurance and buckle up.
Insurance companies now might be in a pretty pickle here as they can't stop insuring Teslers and suck up to the Musk Administration at the same time.
The canary is already breathing heavily, as there are no coroporate lawyers from Chevrolet, Ford or Stellantis hammering at the door of "Donnies Discount Cars" for their endorsement and free advertisement.
But maybe the CEOs are laughing their arses off because Donnie wouldn#t even buy Tesla stock, but rather miss his payments on a car he immediately gives away to ... some the people and people.
German intelligence concluded covid was a likely lab leak in 2020. Were they acting on Drumpf's orders?
The virus originating from a city with a lab that is working with viruses wasn't really disputed.
Racist blaming any chinese national or even asian looking person on being infected or even acusing them off intentionally infecting others was.
And yes the "chinese virus" terminology had that effect.
The very first know case of Covid-19 was coincidental with the visit of a chinese businessperson at the car supplier Webasto (they also have chinese factories).. so yeah.. our "CIA" equivalent found out 2019/20 news 5 years after the fact.
But go on, construct a win for the term "chinese virus" if you must, it will appeal to the ego of your dear Führer in Chief.
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On March 13 2025 19:04 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2025 14:55 WombaT wrote:On March 13 2025 14:09 oBlade wrote:On March 13 2025 05:07 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2025 04:22 oBlade wrote:Anybody messing with transportation in any way should be poetically railroaded by terrorism statutes. Mass slashing of tires, breaking city blocks worth of windows, catalytic converter harvesting, blocking entire highways with those conga lines. If it creates fear or has any political component, as we already know it does with Tesla, it belongs in GITMO not society. No country need tolerate this. Counterpoint: Saboteurs in the third Reich faced execution, they‘d be the terrorists you‘d speak highly of in another context. It‘s currently not very clear yet if the US is approaching that tier of villainy. But the danger is always there once the technology is advanced enough and everyone on the left has been branded a terrorist and punished. Looks like Trump is scrambling to find an enemy in his narrative and so far he has presented Canada, Europe, China, Mexico, Ukraine and Russia as potential adversaries who didn‘t say thank you enough perhaps. I think you‘re mostly safe until paramilitaries start terrorizing people though. He's not "scrambling," he's railed against foreign trade deficits for 40 years, and at least two of that list are explicitly recognized as geopolitical rivals to the US even by the establishment. If you were living on the eastern frontier and some partisans blew up your barn killing all your horses, you wouldn't appreciate this as being righteous sabotage against the Third Reich's efforts. It would be citizens terrorizing citizens. Neighbors preying on weaker neighbors. Every state recognizes violence against itself already, whether that's Timothy McVeigh or Stauffenberg. But the notion a country can't keep its citizens safe because a hypothetical totalitarian state might interpret keeping its citizens as a Futurama Santa Claus locking-up of tens of millions of anti-voters reeks of the slippery slope fallacy. If we arrest very bad people, what if the government later arrests normal people? Better not to risk it then? And the whole idea of arresting criminals is rooted in authoritarianism? Not buying it for now. Yes, it’s just trade deficits. Canada should be the 51st State. Europe should pay its way. Oh wait it did but fuck them anyway. China did Covid. Ukraine should fuck up and be grateful. Russia should [insert when something actually happens there] Why cuck so, so hard for this man? Like if I want to sit in the corner while my partner gets ploughed, I’d at least want the other half of that equation to be decent to look at, metaphorically speaking. But Trump? Lmao. It’s fucking unreal, I half expect some kind of Truman Show/aliens were just running an experiment style reveal. It’s profoundly ridiculous. In certain ways he’s worse than a Hitler or Stalin, and unlike those blokes people are free to criticise and choose to tie themselves up in a million knots of absolute bullshit than ever do so. Ya can say many things about Hitler or Stalin, ya can’t say they didn’t care. Trump is a dictator without a cause, both of which in any sane world would disqualify him for this kind of position. Ukraine has already fucked up but I suspect you meant to write "shut the." German intelligence concluded covid was a likely lab leak in 2020. Were they acting on Drumpf's orders? Almost every state in the Union was not a state, until it became a state. With the exception of the original 13 colonies, and a few special cases of states being spun off other states, mostly from Virginia. When Hawaii became a state, it was because it wasn't a part of America, and then it was a part of America, and then it became a state. This process is not historically finalized or finished at any point. There is no condition in the Constitution that decrees when the US is "done." The fact that the flag has had exactly 50 stars your whole life means nothing. It is possible to expand the Union. It is possible to shrink it. Inside the confines of the US's own system. With no revolution. There can be a State of Puerto Rico. There can be a Douglass Commonwealth. There can be a Jefferson State. You've probably heard of one of those. Think outside the box.
There can even be one or a bunch of states from Canada as well. I certainly don't think the cultural, economic, or geographic gaps between Canada and the US are so wide as to make the exercise impossible and I don't hate the northern neighbors in any way that would preclude them from the chance at joining the Union. Do you? I've driven to Alaska. The idea of it not being an international trip is intriguing. I find the proposition worth investigation. I certainly don't see that it's self-disproving such that just listing it the way you have does anything other than show us your Trump "ick." Which is probably the only purpose of your whole post anyway. In the 50s you would be one of the people posting in newspapers "Alaska the 49th state? It's not even connected to the rest. Eisenhower is a dictator." The box is comfortable but not useful.
What was it about WombaT's post that inspired you to write all this? It seems irrelevant. He didn't say the United States isn't allowed to have a 51st state, nor did he say that the United States has always had exactly 50 states.
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Saying that Trump can annex any part of Canada is like saying you believe him if he claims to have a 15" dick.
What oBlade and others do, is simply day dreaming of trump's imaginary 15" dick and what it could do. They like it very much. Will it hurt? Maybe? But the possibilities!
It's all nonsense and just "Flood the zone" tactics.
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