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Dan HH
Romania9236 Posts
On January 10 2025 08:06 maybenexttime wrote: Fingers crossed there are more Luigis in the US. We urgently need one for Trump and Musk. Doesn't solve anything. We need a kind of education that immunizes people against demagoguery rather than just hoping no demagogue ever shows up or survives. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Tree of liberty is refreshed with the blood of patriots or what have you | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24157 Posts
On January 10 2025 04:38 Zambrah wrote: Considering they had/have healthcare begging for them to take it up, I'm pretty sure them being that ruthlessly cynical is too optimistic. At this point Id believe they did it on purpose to have something to campaign on next election, lmao Very slightly too conspiratorial even for me, but their incompetence is actually staggering Democrats couldn't be more clear about their unwillingness/inability to actually stop Trump and stem the rising tide of fascism. Supporting Democrats despite their (at best) catastrophic incompetence is knowingly condemning yourself and those around you (generically speaking) to a fascist future at this point. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Democrats couldn't be more clear about their unwillingness/inability to actually stop Trump and stem the rising tide of fascism. Yeah, but they've been clear about that for a while now tbf lol | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
On January 10 2025 09:10 Dan HH wrote: Doesn't solve anything. We need a kind of education that immunizes people against demagoguery rather than just hoping no demagogue ever shows up or survives. What when they understand it and still want it. I‘m not sure which one it is. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
Trump: "I was treated very, very unfairly." The Rest Of The World: Yeah, no shit, you uber-privileged clown. No one else could ever get away with what you did. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/10/nx-s1-5253927/trump-sentencing-new-york | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18394 Posts
On January 11 2025 20:15 Timebon3s wrote: He just keeps winning. How does he do it? He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook. He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
On January 11 2025 20:27 Acrofales wrote: *This only works if your wealthy and have access to positions of power that shield you.He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook. He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules. If you do this as a poor person the rules based society will wreck you. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27230 Posts
On January 11 2025 20:27 Acrofales wrote: He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook. He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules. Yeah, I can find myself with a grudging respect for absolute criminal masterminds one reads about or watches documentaries about. With Trump it’s literally just him being indulged by fools, or those who would actually do anything being increasingly hamstrung by said fools . Said folks will then turn around and say ‘well he must be smart if I give him a pass to do whatever he wants even when he’s outright telling me he’s going to fuck me.’ I’ll still unsure quite what his secret sauce is that let’s him be quite so utterly blatant about it mind, even compared to similar kind of figures and personalities. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Its crazy the amount of them who kissed the ring and allowed the takeover even after he lost in 2020. | ||
micronesia
United States24784 Posts
On January 11 2025 22:40 WombaT wrote: I’ll still unsure quite what his secret sauce is that let’s him be quite so utterly blatant about it mind, even compared to similar kind of figures and personalities. I think a lot of it (not unique to Trump) is that people who don't care about anyone but themselves, and are willing to do pretty much whatever to achieve their goals, tend to move up in society/business. Society does not punish that behavior—it rewards it. Trump is an extreme example of this. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
On January 11 2025 23:42 Sadist wrote: They care about their own hide more then the country.This all could have been avoided as well had republicans voted to impeach after jan 6th. Its crazy the amount of them who kissed the ring and allowed the takeover even after he lost in 2020. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff. Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that. I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
Not sure I would call that rehabilitation. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On January 12 2025 21:37 Gorsameth wrote: make prison life so shit that people instead chose to do highly dangerous work for almost no reward just to feel like a person. Not sure I would call that rehabilitation. Its a form of rehab, yeah. It involves learning skills that can help you get a job when you leave prison, and time off sentences. That adds up to genuine steps towards a career away from crime. Its definitely not ideal, but the US system is heavily punishment based so some rehabilitation is definitely better than none. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On January 12 2025 20:40 Jockmcplop wrote: Been watching videos about incarcerated firefighters who are being used to fight the California fires and aid in the operation. Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff. Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that. I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind. Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On January 12 2025 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward? I actually think it could be worse if you incentivize them. You may have people desperate who are doing it only because of the incentive. Its tough, its dangerous but if they arent forced to do it or incentivized to do it, it would seem like its on the up and up no? I mean we saw one post from a perspective of how its a good thing then immediately after painting it as a negative and attacking the whole us prison system. Its hard when we cannot agree on anything  | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On January 12 2025 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward? They get paid, but the pay is shit and needs increasing, and they get their sentences reduced. | ||
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