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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9142 Posts
January 10 2025 00:10 GMT
#93761
On January 10 2025 08:06 maybenexttime wrote:
Fingers crossed there are more Luigis in the US. We urgently need one for Trump and Musk.

Doesn't solve anything. We need a kind of education that immunizes people against demagoguery rather than just hoping no demagogue ever shows up or survives.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7385 Posts
January 10 2025 00:12 GMT
#93762
I dont think you can immunize people against demagoguery before you get rid of the demagogues, and even then it seems like its a cycle of having to get rid of them, immunize, new strain to get rid of, immunize, new strain, immunize, like some sort stupid flu

Tree of liberty is refreshed with the blood of patriots or what have you
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23507 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-10 05:43:36
January 10 2025 03:51 GMT
#93763
On January 10 2025 04:38 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2025 03:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 08 2025 19:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
I do get the feeling that all that Trump&Musk bullshitting about greenland, EU-Politics,panama and canada is the circus that should distract the people from the actual politics + Show Spoiler +
of deregulation and tax cuts that will start right away.

Politicians replace scientists, political judges to replace regulation agencies. Independence of agencies rugpulled from under their feet.

E.g. ruling that "The Internet" is no longer an FCC overseen "Telecommunication" is really stupid, but It won't end there.

Kiss goodbye to net-neutrality and the option for tech-moguls to get prioritized access to users.. while smaller blogs and "unwanted" media gets shoved behind a 28kbit connection.

Not sure if people caught this, but Democrats have already had their first major failure in protecting their voters from Trump. They inexplicably botched the NLRB chair vote.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-California) has shined a light on how Democrats botched a recent chance to secure a majority on a top U.S. labor authority for the first two years of Trump’s upcoming term, in an “inexplicable and inexcusable” blunder that will likely have dire consequences for millions of workers for years to come.

If the Senate had confirmed McFerran, Democrats would have secured a 3-2 majority on the board for the next two years. Instead, Trump will likely nominate a Republican and flip the labor board, in “a huge setback for the hundreds of thousands of workers across this country organizing for a better contract,” Khanna said.

...Khanna said Democrats, in fact, had a window to confirm McFerran that morning, while Manchin and two Republicans were absent from the chamber. For 90 minutes, Democrats had the opportunity to call in Vice President Kamala Harris to act as a tie-breaking vote for the confirmation, which needed only to pass with a simple majority. Instead, Senate leaders delayed the vote for “no reason,” Khanna said, and allowed Manchin to return and tank the vote.


truthout.org

Is it more or less concerning if Democrats failed to protect workers on purpose than it would be if they were just too incompetent?


At this point Id believe they did it on purpose to have something to campaign on next election, lmao

Very slightly too conspiratorial even for me, but their incompetence is actually staggering
Considering they had/have healthcare begging for them to take it up, I'm pretty sure them being that ruthlessly cynical is too optimistic.

Democrats couldn't be more clear about their unwillingness/inability to actually stop Trump and stem the rising tide of fascism.

Supporting Democrats despite their (at best) catastrophic incompetence is knowingly condemning yourself and those around you (generically speaking) to a fascist future at this point.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7385 Posts
January 10 2025 16:09 GMT
#93764
Democrats couldn't be more clear about their unwillingness/inability to actually stop Trump and stem the rising tide of fascism.


Yeah, but they've been clear about that for a while now tbf lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22099 Posts
January 10 2025 19:58 GMT
#93765
On January 10 2025 09:10 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2025 08:06 maybenexttime wrote:
Fingers crossed there are more Luigis in the US. We urgently need one for Trump and Musk.

Doesn't solve anything. We need a kind of education that immunizes people against demagoguery rather than just hoping no demagogue ever shows up or survives.


What when they understand it and still want it.
I‘m not sure which one it is.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45141 Posts
January 11 2025 04:40 GMT
#93766
Judge Merchan: Your 34 felony convictions will result in no prison time, no fines, and no other penalties.
Trump: "I was treated very, very unfairly."
The Rest Of The World: Yeah, no shit, you uber-privileged clown. No one else could ever get away with what you did.
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/10/nx-s1-5253927/trump-sentencing-new-york
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway751 Posts
January 11 2025 11:15 GMT
#93767
He just keeps winning. How does he do it?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18144 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-11 11:27:54
January 11 2025 11:27 GMT
#93768
On January 11 2025 20:15 Timebon3s wrote:
He just keeps winning. How does he do it?

He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook.

He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21984 Posts
January 11 2025 11:35 GMT
#93769
On January 11 2025 20:27 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2025 20:15 Timebon3s wrote:
He just keeps winning. How does he do it?

He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook.

He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules.
*This only works if your wealthy and have access to positions of power that shield you.
If you do this as a poor person the rules based society will wreck you.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26214 Posts
January 11 2025 13:40 GMT
#93770
On January 11 2025 20:27 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2025 20:15 Timebon3s wrote:
He just keeps winning. How does he do it?

He tapped into a vast base of gullible idiots who will, for some reason, continuously go to bat for a callous, narcissistic buffoon who tells them what they want to hear while selling them out to the highest bidder. You know, the usual populist playbook.

He also correctly recognized the utter impotence of a "rules based society" to self-correct if you just ignore all the rules.

Yeah, I can find myself with a grudging respect for absolute criminal masterminds one reads about or watches documentaries about.

With Trump it’s literally just him being indulged by fools, or those who would actually do anything being increasingly hamstrung by said fools .
Said folks will then turn around and say ‘well he must be smart if I give him a pass to do whatever he wants even when he’s outright telling me he’s going to fuck me.’

I’ll still unsure quite what his secret sauce is that let’s him be quite so utterly blatant about it mind, even compared to similar kind of figures and personalities.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7292 Posts
January 11 2025 14:42 GMT
#93771
This all could have been avoided as well had republicans voted to impeach after jan 6th.

Its crazy the amount of them who kissed the ring and allowed the takeover even after he lost in 2020.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24745 Posts
January 11 2025 14:53 GMT
#93772
On January 11 2025 22:40 WombaT wrote:
I’ll still unsure quite what his secret sauce is that let’s him be quite so utterly blatant about it mind, even compared to similar kind of figures and personalities.

I think a lot of it (not unique to Trump) is that people who don't care about anyone but themselves, and are willing to do pretty much whatever to achieve their goals, tend to move up in society/business. Society does not punish that behavior—it rewards it. Trump is an extreme example of this.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21984 Posts
January 11 2025 15:05 GMT
#93773
On January 11 2025 23:42 Sadist wrote:
This all could have been avoided as well had republicans voted to impeach after jan 6th.

Its crazy the amount of them who kissed the ring and allowed the takeover even after he lost in 2020.

They care about their own hide more then the country.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
January 12 2025 11:40 GMT
#93774
Been watching videos about incarcerated firefighters who are being used to fight the California fires and aid in the operation.

Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff.

Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that.

I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind.

RIP Meatloaf <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21984 Posts
January 12 2025 12:37 GMT
#93775
make prison life so shit that people instead chose to do highly dangerous work for almost no reward just to feel like a person.

Not sure I would call that rehabilitation.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-12 12:44:16
January 12 2025 12:43 GMT
#93776
On January 12 2025 21:37 Gorsameth wrote:
make prison life so shit that people instead chose to do highly dangerous work for almost no reward just to feel like a person.

Not sure I would call that rehabilitation.


Its a form of rehab, yeah. It involves learning skills that can help you get a job when you leave prison, and time off sentences. That adds up to genuine steps towards a career away from crime.
Its definitely not ideal, but the US system is heavily punishment based so some rehabilitation is definitely better than none.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
January 12 2025 13:01 GMT
#93777
Prisoners only get treated as humans when they do labor for other people. Nothing has changed whatsoever. This is not a cause for celebration, it only reveals how poorly the US treats criminals.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45141 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-12 13:20:05
January 12 2025 13:19 GMT
#93778
On January 12 2025 20:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
Been watching videos about incarcerated firefighters who are being used to fight the California fires and aid in the operation.

Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff.

Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that.

I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind.



Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7292 Posts
January 12 2025 13:32 GMT
#93779
On January 12 2025 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2025 20:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
Been watching videos about incarcerated firefighters who are being used to fight the California fires and aid in the operation.

Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff.

Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that.

I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind.



Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward?




I actually think it could be worse if you incentivize them. You may have people desperate who are doing it only because of the incentive. Its tough, its dangerous but if they arent forced to do it or incentivized to do it, it would seem like its on the up and up no? I mean we saw one post from a perspective of how its a good thing then immediately after painting it as a negative and attacking the whole us prison system.

Its hard when we cannot agree on anything
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9752 Posts
January 12 2025 13:32 GMT
#93780
On January 12 2025 22:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2025 20:40 Jockmcplop wrote:
Been watching videos about incarcerated firefighters who are being used to fight the California fires and aid in the operation.

Its actually pretty inspiring. Hasan did some interviews with the guys and they are giving RAVE reviews to the whole idea. Guys are saying its ridiculously hard work and they get paid shit, but the community comes out to support them, they get the chance to be away from the violence of prison, and they say they actually get spoken to like human beings even by the prison staff.

Its a real good demonstration of what rehabilitation SHOULD look like. Prisoners learning skills, engaging with their communities, finding a place where they can work and belong without committing crimes and seeing the non monetary (ie psychological and personal) benefits of that.

I've always been against the way the US does prison work, but when you see the results like this, it kinda changed my mind.



Do their sentences get reduced as a result of their bravery? Or are they paid or receive some other reward?

They get paid, but the pay is shit and needs increasing, and they get their sentences reduced.
RIP Meatloaf <3
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