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On December 30 2024 10:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2024 09:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Reagan used this speech against Carter when he said "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" Sounds familiar. Reagan and Trump both tricked their audiences so that they could make things worse during their presidencies and leave behind terrible legacies. Anyways, RIP Jimmy Carter.
you can't be for real? The American economy boomed and Reagan won with 4895674987 electoral college votes in the 1984 election. The American juggernaut took Canada kicking and screaming with it.... Canada's economy boomed as well.
Reagan had 8 years as Cali governor and 8 years as prez. If the guy were tricking people his tenure ends after 4 years running Cali.
The 1988 FTA signed by Mulroney and Reagan was a boon for both countries. The big opposition to the FTA in Canada ended up building on the deal rather than revoking it. The FTA worked out so well the Liberal opposition just did not talk about it. They pretended it never happened.
Reagan was great.
American patriotism was so fucking annoying during the Reagan years. LOL.
There seems to be a lot of whining, pissin' bitchin' and moanin' in this thread. I'd like to address it with a portion of Jimmy Carter's best speech.
One of the visitors to Camp David last week put it this way: “We’ve got to stop crying and start sweating, stop talking and start walking, stop cursing and start praying. The strength we need will not come from the White House, but from every house in America.”
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On December 30 2024 10:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2024 10:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 30 2024 09:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Reagan used this speech against Carter when he said "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" Sounds familiar. Reagan and Trump both tricked their audiences so that they could make things worse during their presidencies and leave behind terrible legacies. Anyways, RIP Jimmy Carter. you can't be for real? The American economy boomed and Reagan won with 4895674987 electoral college votes in the 1984 election. The American juggernaut took Canada kicking and screaming with it.... Canada's economy boomed as well. Reagan had 8 years as Cali governor and 8 years as prez. If the guy were tricking people his tenure ends after 4 years running Cali. The 1988 FTA signed by Mulroney and Reagan was a boon for both countries. The big opposition to the FTA in Canada ended up building on the deal rather than revoking it. The FTA worked out so well the Liberal opposition just did not talk about it. They pretended it never happened. Reagan was great. American patriotism was so fucking annoying during the Reagan years. LOL. There seems to be a lot of whining, pissin' bitchin' and moanin' in this thread. I'd like to address it with a portion of Jimmy Carter's best speech. Show nested quote +One of the visitors to Camp David last week put it this way: “We’ve got to stop crying and start sweating, stop talking and start walking, stop cursing and start praying. The strength we need will not come from the White House, but from every house in America.”
There's literally an entire Wiki page dedicated to his scandals lol: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration
Not to mention Reaganomics, trickle-down nonsense, and enormous tax cuts for the rich. A lot of our current national issues started with / were popularized by Reagan.
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yea hard to imagine what could possibly go wrong with voting a celebrity into the white house with the promise of an economic boom
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Reagan was a top 3 president of the 20th century, Carter bottom three. The American people judged both men rightly the elections of '80-'88. In classic Democrat fashion, Carter was harsher on our allies than our enemies and said nice things about them even decades later. As memory of the Cold War fades, it's become more normal in center-left circles to transplant today's issues onto Reagan but basically ignore Carter (except as a criticism of Reagan e.g. 70s deregulation and memes about solar panels), if that tells you anything. He pretty much exists in today's discourse as the guy that came before (and enabled) Reagan, which shows about how good his presidency was.
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On December 30 2024 11:47 Introvert wrote:
In classic Democrat fashion, Carter was harsher on our allies than our enemies and said nice things about them even decades later.
Literally Donald Trump. Trade wars with allies while sucking up to Putin and other dictators. Nice.
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nah, trade disputes among allies are not unusual. Meanwhile Trump's actions were far less Putin friendly than his rhetoric. That being said, I have always had, and always been open about, my dislike of Trump's sweettalk.
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Putin said "No" to the Trump peace plan for UA.
What's trump next move?
1. Racism
2. Migrants
3. Golf
4. TV
5. Burgers
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It appears that Trump is currently defending and supporting Musk's pro- "H-1B visa" stance, despite many MAGA supporters being anti-immigration and being worried about foreigners stealing American jobs. Trump claimed that he employs many people with H-1B visas, even though he didn't give any examples, and he stated that he's always liked those visas, despite trying to reduce the number of H-1B visas during his first presidential term:
President-elect Donald Trump weighed in on a simmering feud among MAGA allies over H-1B worker visas, telling the New York Post that he supports the program, according to the outlet.
Trump told the New York Post that he has “always liked the visas.” The H-1B visa program allows employers to temporarily hire non-U.S. citizens for highly skilled jobs.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he said, according to the outlet’s report.
A spokesperson for the Trump transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment about which of Trump's properties employed workers who were on H-1B visas.
During his first term, the Trump administration implemented rules that would have cut the number of H-1B visas issued each year. The rules, however, were ultimately struck down in court. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-h1b-visa-program-maga-elon-musk-rcna185656
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Nice to see that Trump isn’t racist after all :hug:
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Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots.
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He’s such an amazing person. I can’t wait to see what the how the next 4 years will be. It will be awesome 
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On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots.
Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence.
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Leftism isn’t an ism buddy.
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On January 01 2025 01:43 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots. Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence.
If there was a consensus he wouldnt take their social media access away right?
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On January 01 2025 03:44 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2025 01:43 oBlade wrote:On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots. Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence. If there was a consensus he wouldnt take their social media access away right?
That's a different issue. KT_Elwood is talking about how certain people look like idiots (in response to lack of consensus) causing Trump to do something ridiculous. oBlade is talking about how a lack of consensus isn't necessarily bad, which is irrelevant, but technically correct and a good misdirection from KT_Elwood's criticism of team Trump based on an intentional or accidental misunderstanding of the original point. You are talking about how there really is a lack of consensus, which nobody else has asserted is necessarily bad.
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Trump has been hammering away at Trudeau as he falls in the polls. Trudeau fired back recently with some passive aggressive comments about America not electing a woman Prez.
I think Trudeau's best move is to play his cards straight. Let Trump be the crazy man at the poker table. Initially, that is what Trudeau did. Legault is doing that as well and never fires back.
I have to wonder if Trump, a guy who never talks about hockey, will talk about the current running world Juniors if Canada gets bounced early.
Canada has committed to all kinds of increased border security measures. Meanwhile, zero indications from Trump if these are enough to stave off tariffs. Trump holds the right Bauer and everyone at the table knows it. This is not the time for Trudeau to get fancy.
On another related Canadian/American note : kudos to Jimmy Carter for explaining how BS the movie Argo was. Carter states that 90% of the operations planning and execution was done by the Canadians and not the CIA. Props to Jimmy.
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On December 31 2024 20:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It appears that Trump is currently defending and supporting Musk's pro- "H-1B visa" stance, despite many MAGA supporters being anti-immigration and being worried about foreigners stealing American jobs. Trump claimed that he employs many people with H-1B visas, even though he didn't give any examples, and he stated that he's always liked those visas, despite trying to reduce the number of H-1B visas during his first presidential term: Show nested quote +President-elect Donald Trump weighed in on a simmering feud among MAGA allies over H-1B worker visas, telling the New York Post that he supports the program, according to the outlet.
Trump told the New York Post that he has “always liked the visas.” The H-1B visa program allows employers to temporarily hire non-U.S. citizens for highly skilled jobs.
“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he said, according to the outlet’s report.
A spokesperson for the Trump transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment about which of Trump's properties employed workers who were on H-1B visas.
During his first term, the Trump administration implemented rules that would have cut the number of H-1B visas issued each year. The rules, however, were ultimately struck down in court. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-h1b-visa-program-maga-elon-musk-rcna185656
Whoa rich assholes who abuse foreign people coming over for a better life by imposing crazy hours, low pay, and holding their visa over their head to control them like that system and want it to continue/more of it!
They're all so transparent, and Trump is a moron.
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On January 01 2025 03:59 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2025 03:44 Sadist wrote:On January 01 2025 01:43 oBlade wrote:On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots. Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence. If there was a consensus he wouldnt take their social media access away right? That's a different issue. KT_Elwood is talking about how certain people look like idiots (in response to lack of consensus) causing Trump to do something ridiculous. oBlade is talking about how a lack of consensus isn't necessarily bad, which is irrelevant, but technically correct and a good misdirection from KT_Elwood's criticism of team Trump based on an intentional or accidental misunderstanding of the original point. You are talking about how there really is a lack of consensus, which nobody else has asserted is necessarily bad.
Yes thank you.
I wanted to point out that Trump really needs to do overtime on finding a logic in contradicting statements from him, his team, him 4 years ago, him 8 years ago, all the shit he tells on his rallys vs all the shit he twixxors.
At the moment It's becoming very transparent to some, that he is willing to play the racists, anti-migration, nationalist, patriot, christian and working class person.. but when pressed, he reaveals that he sees need for cheaper labor, to brain-drain other countries and labor-competition amongst workers.
Setting up a shadow cabinet with billionaires.. and a real cabinet with millionaires and billionaire proteges also suggest that he isn't reaaally real about draining swamps or improving living conditions for the 99,9% non wealht aristocrats in the US.
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On January 02 2025 18:18 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2025 03:59 micronesia wrote:On January 01 2025 03:44 Sadist wrote:On January 01 2025 01:43 oBlade wrote:On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots. Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence. If there was a consensus he wouldnt take their social media access away right? That's a different issue. KT_Elwood is talking about how certain people look like idiots (in response to lack of consensus) causing Trump to do something ridiculous. oBlade is talking about how a lack of consensus isn't necessarily bad, which is irrelevant, but technically correct and a good misdirection from KT_Elwood's criticism of team Trump based on an intentional or accidental misunderstanding of the original point. You are talking about how there really is a lack of consensus, which nobody else has asserted is necessarily bad. I wanted to point out that Trump really needs to do overtime on finding a logic in contradicting statements from him, his team, him 4 years ago, him 8 years ago, all the shit he tells on his rallys vs all the shit he twixxors. Why?
No seriously. Why would he need to do that? Voters don't seem to care that he lies to their face. And he doesn't have another election to win.
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On January 02 2025 19:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2025 18:18 KT_Elwood wrote:On January 01 2025 03:59 micronesia wrote:On January 01 2025 03:44 Sadist wrote:On January 01 2025 01:43 oBlade wrote:On December 31 2024 22:52 KT_Elwood wrote:
Trump took his cabinet pick's phones away, because the current divide on H1B Visas makes them look like a bunch of incoherent idiots. Leftism here again conflates consensus with intelligence. If there was a consensus he wouldnt take their social media access away right? That's a different issue. KT_Elwood is talking about how certain people look like idiots (in response to lack of consensus) causing Trump to do something ridiculous. oBlade is talking about how a lack of consensus isn't necessarily bad, which is irrelevant, but technically correct and a good misdirection from KT_Elwood's criticism of team Trump based on an intentional or accidental misunderstanding of the original point. You are talking about how there really is a lack of consensus, which nobody else has asserted is necessarily bad. I wanted to point out that Trump really needs to do overtime on finding a logic in contradicting statements from him, his team, him 4 years ago, him 8 years ago, all the shit he tells on his rallys vs all the shit he twixxors. Why? No seriously. Why would he need to do that? Voters don't seem to care that he lies to their face. And he doesn't have another election to win.
Exactly. Trump has shown very clearly that a lot of the things that we thought people have to do, you don't really have to do. You can just not do them, and apparently people don't really care if you get them in the right mindset.
You don't have to say things that correlate with reality. You don't have to be consistent. You don't have to speak coherently. You don't need a plan that makes any sense whatsoever. You can just bullshit all day and become president of the USA.
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