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On October 02 2024 07:43 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2024 06:44 BlackJack wrote:NYC has said that it is poised to spend $12 billion on the migrant crisis through fiscal year 2025. That's just one city. Even that amount is not enough as they plead for additional funding from state and federal sources due to being "past the breaking point." I've posted in the past the anger NYC government has drawn from its citizens for some controversial ideas, such as attempting to turn vacant apartments in Harlem into a migrant shelter and using a high school as emergency shelter forcing students back into "remote learning." I was told that shipping migrants to Springfield was good for the locals, very strange how it's bad to ship them to big blue cities.
Apparently "sanctuary city" is a bit of a misnomer since the only reasons migrants would go there is if they are trafficked against their will
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Good I didn't miss the DPB breakdown, cant wait.
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On October 02 2024 10:38 Taelshin wrote: Good I didn't miss the DPB breakdown, cant wait.
Walz vs. Vance Debate 10/1/24
First Topic: Middle East / Iran’s failed attack on Israel today. Walz/Vance, if you were in charge, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? Walz: Both-sides-ing about why we need to support Israel’s fundamental right to exist + defend Palestinians right to live. Then pivots to how Trump is unfit for office, and how Biden and Harris know how to be diplomatic. (Doesn’t answer the question at all, shaky voice to start.) Vance: Vance introduces himself to the viewers, talks about his family life and growing up. Then he asserts that Trump can create a stable world with effective deterrents, and that ultimately the answer to the question is up to Israel. (Doesn’t quite answer the question, voice is more comfortable and calm than Walz’s though.) Walz: Rejects assertions that Trump perpetuates stability when he’s in power, and claims that the Biden/Harris administration has been more stable on the global stage. Vance: Claims that the Middle East is more tumultuous under Biden/Harris, and that it was peaceful during the Trump administration.
Second Topic: Hurricane Helene / Climate Change. Vance/Walz, how can we reduce the impact of climate change? Vance: Government needs to do their job, and Trump will put the people first. States that Trump and Vance support clean air and clean water, and that Harris and Walz don’t invest in the American people. Walz: Contrasts Democratic bills that address climate change, like Inflation Reduction Act, and the creation of relevant jobs with Trump calling climate change a hoax. Vance: Doesn’t deny that Trump called climate change a hoax, but instead asserts that Harris doesn’t take climate change seriously. He says that we’re wasting money investing in solar energy panels that are created in China. Walz: Says that the people being affected by climate change are everyday people, such as farmers, and that we need to protect these people’s lives and professions, and the environment. He then repeats that Trump called climate change a hoax.
Third Topic: Immigration / Border Crisis. Vance/Walz, how would mass deportation and border security work and would you separate parents from their children, even if their kids are U.S. citizens? Vance: Claims we have a historic immigration crisis because Harris repealed all of Trump’s border policies and is letting in fentanyl and that illegals are using kids as drug mules. Vance says we need to Build A Wall. Vance says we need to start addressing the issue by deporting the illegal immigrants and criminal immigrants. Walz: Said the drug-mule-kids isn’t actually happening, and mentioned a decrease in drug-related deaths but that there’s always more to do in addressing fentanyl and other drug issues. Then brought up the bipartisan border bill that Trump killed, and said that Trump broke his promise about building a wall the first time around. Vance: Drug-mule-kids are real. Harris isn’t serious about addressing border issues. Trump is. Walz: We can’t address the actual issues if we’re busy vilifying and dehumanizing all immigrants, like in Springfield, Ohio. Vance: We need to empower law enforcement to do their job, and Biden and Harris are not doing that. In Springfield, U.S. citizens are struggling because of open borders. Vance says he thinks Walz wants to solve the problem but doesn’t believe that Harris wants to. Walz: We need to support the Congressional bill for border security but still allow immigrants their humanity and dignity. He then mentions a Bible passage appealing to the Golden Rule. Vance: Illegal immigrants can become legal by going through a Harris loophole process. Walz: That supposed loophole has been around since the 1990’s.
Fourth Topic: Economy. Walz/Vance, what’s your plan and how would you pay for it? Walz: Mentions housing credits, child tax credits, and small business credits, to help all families make ends meet. Paying for it by asking the super-rich to pay their fair share. Vance: Some of what Walz has said sounds pretty good, but Harris hasn’t done them as vice president, so we can’t trust her to do them as president. Trump would give more tax cuts and we need to have “common sense wisdom”, and not listen to economists and PhDs. Walz: Harris’s Day 1 was fixing Trump’s covid mess. Of course we need to trust the experts too. We can’t just disregard scientists and economists. Vance: The experts have been wrong about a lot of things, so we shouldn’t trust them. Trump has wisdom and courage, and we can trust him, especially with the economy. We need to be self-reliant too. Walz: There’s nothing wrong with being self-reliant – Harris has created millions of new jobs and we support unions – but it’s also important to have trusted trading partners around the world. Vance: Trump lowered the inflation rate, helped the American people, and gas and groceries are too expensive under the Harris administration.
Fifth Topic: Walz, were you in Tiananmen Square during the protests, because you said you were but fact-checkers suggest you weren’t. (Savage question!) Walz: Talked about his life of being a military veteran, and teacher, and congressperson, and governor. Kind of said something about “I misspoke” at the very end. (Terrible answer.)
Sixth Topic: Vance, you said that Trump was “unfit for office” and “American’s Hitler” and disparaged Trump’s economic record as president. Why should people trust you now to tell Trump the truth, instead of what you think he wants to hear? (Savage question!) Vance: I’ve been consistent with my critiques of things that happened, even during Trump’s administration, but it’s Congress’s fault. Also, tariffs are good. (Terrible answer.)
Seventh Topic: Abortion. Walz, would you allow abortion in the ninth month? Vance, would you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency? Walz: During the ninth month or any other month, pregnant women can have life-threatening complications and other situations where legal abortion should be available. Project 2025 has a registry of pregnancies to make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and medication. Also mentions one or two specific pregnant women who went through tragedy. Vance: We won’t create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency. We, as Republicans, need to support fertility treatments and be pro-family in all senses of the word. We also need to let the states decide on abortion policy. Walz: Mentions one or two more pregnant women who went through tragedy. Walz says he agrees with some of what Vance says, but notes that Trump disagrees with what Vance says, and that’s what matters. Vance: I don’t support a federal ban on abortion, and Democrats are pro-abortion. Walz: No, we’re pro-women, pro-freedom, pro-choice, pro- letting doctors and people making the best medical decisions possible. Vance: If a doctor botches an abortion and the baby survives in Minnesota, then doctors can let the baby die on its own, according to your law. Walz: That’s not the law, and that was already fact-checked when Trump said it.
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
Merci beaucoup
Oof some of those questions are brutal, although entirely fair!
How would you score it so far?
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I missed listenable debates.
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Mid debate, I'd say Vance is "winning" but this actually sort of a good debate albeit heavily along party lines.
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On October 02 2024 11:04 WombaT wrote: Merci beaucoup
Oof some of those questions are brutal, although entirely fair!
How would you score it so far?
It's close so far. I think Vance is a tiny bit ahead, but it's way closer than the previous two debates (Biden vs. Trump and Trump vs. Harris).
Vance and Walz are also being incredibly cordial to each other, often times partially-agreeing with each other. Very respectful debate, in general.
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On October 02 2024 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2024 11:04 WombaT wrote: Merci beaucoup
Oof some of those questions are brutal, although entirely fair!
How would you score it so far? It's close so far. I think Vance is a tiny bit ahead, but it's way closer than the previous two debates (Biden vs. Trump and Trump vs. Harris). Vance and Walz are also being incredibly cordial to each other, often times partially-agreeing with each other. Very respectful debate, in general. I think it's mostly Vance's desperate appeal to not seem like a weirdo and to come across somewhat intelligent. He still fucks couches though sooo....
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On October 02 2024 11:17 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2024 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 02 2024 11:04 WombaT wrote: Merci beaucoup
Oof some of those questions are brutal, although entirely fair!
How would you score it so far? It's close so far. I think Vance is a tiny bit ahead, but it's way closer than the previous two debates (Biden vs. Trump and Trump vs. Harris). Vance and Walz are also being incredibly cordial to each other, often times partially-agreeing with each other. Very respectful debate, in general. I think it's mostly Vance's desperate appeal to not seem like a weirdo and to come across somewhat intelligent. He still fucks couches though sooo....
And the very next topic was Healthcare, and now it's definitely tied again - Walz's answer was much stronger than Vance's. Walz might even be a tiny bit ahead now. It's very back and forth!
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On October 02 2024 11:06 Gahlo wrote: I missed listenable debates.
Hell yeah!
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