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On July 22 2024 04:37 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2024 04:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2024 04:05 RenSC2 wrote:
Cancel culture strikes again. You would think people would learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them. Just because loudmouth idiots tell you to step aside does not mean you actually have to step aside.
But our Democrat senators, representatives, and big donors still haven’t learned the lesson. They listened to the twitter loudmouths (being amplified by Musk) and put pressure on Biden to step down. He fell for it. Shame on him.
I guess we get what we deserve. We’re stupid. As I’ve heard on this forum, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This is definitely not cancel culture. What separates this from cancel culture? Public pressure campaign to force someone out of a position that they have obtained. Biden crushed the primaries. By all rights, the dem nomination is his. It’s only the public pressure from a very vocal minority that has spooked the sponsors (donors) that is forcing Biden out.
That's the part that's false. Democratic leadership and even Biden's closest allies (like Barack Obama) have apparently been having serious private conversations with Biden too, not just publicly shaming Biden into stepping down.
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On July 22 2024 04:37 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2024 04:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 22 2024 04:05 RenSC2 wrote:
Cancel culture strikes again. You would think people would learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them. Just because loudmouth idiots tell you to step aside does not mean you actually have to step aside.
But our Democrat senators, representatives, and big donors still haven’t learned the lesson. They listened to the twitter loudmouths (being amplified by Musk) and put pressure on Biden to step down. He fell for it. Shame on him.
I guess we get what we deserve. We’re stupid. As I’ve heard on this forum, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. This is definitely not cancel culture. What separates this from cancel culture? Public pressure campaign to force someone out of a position that they have obtained. Biden crushed the primaries. By all rights, the dem nomination is his. It’s only the public pressure from a very vocal minority that has spooked the sponsors (donors) that is forcing Biden out.
People don't want him cancelled, they just don't think he'll win a Presidential race.
Completely different things.
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There's a hundred polls from past few weeks that include Harris vs Trump and her results are pretty much identical to Biden's, +1 or -1 of him in most of them.
This election is a straight-up referendum on Trump. Important events that might have had an oversized impact on polls in previous contests do nothing or barely anything for this one. Biden's catastrophic debate performance and his subsequent gaffes barely made a dent in polls, the assassination attempt on Trump didn't give him the bump I expected. Dems could probably nominate a pokemon and it would poll the same as Biden and Harris.
The main benefit of Biden stepping down is that if Trump loses the referendum, the president will be able to string a sentence together and remember what they did yesterday. There doesn't seem to be any benefit in terms of improving Dem chances.
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Does anyone else think the timing of this might have something to do with kicking last week's shooting out of the news cycle?
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On July 22 2024 04:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
Does anyone else think the timing of this might have something to do with kicking last week's shooting out of the news cycle?
And perhaps the recent Republican National Convention too. Could be.
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On July 22 2024 03:16 micronesia wrote:
Actually, I've never liked how the primary is a long drawn out process (at least in recent decades). I've always thought it should be a single day of voting, similar to the general election. I can't vote in the democratic (or republican) primary in my state, so it won't affect me directly, though.
Tell me about it. I live in one of the most important battleground states and by the time the primary gets to me the race is all but mathematically over at best.
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On July 22 2024 03:59 WombaT wrote:
Is this how Bernie can win?
Unfortunately, no. He's too old for this particular election that's been solely focused on the age of the candidates.
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He is still the president, how was he cancelled?
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On July 22 2024 04:41 Jockmcplop wrote:
Does anyone else think the timing of this might have something to do with kicking last week's shooting out of the news cycle?
Think it's more that he's old, falling apart, and has COVID again.
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Biden could be a complete comatose potato (or a corpse) and I'd still vote for him, just because he's still better than the alternative lul
I'm not really familiar with anyone outside of Kamala, Newsom, and Bernie (if they decide to hold an open convention, which doesn't seem likely). But if they want to stick with Kamala, that's like a double whammy? (I personally don't care, but the rest of America likely do.) Play it safe and pick a white guy for VP, though I don't know how much that would help...
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On July 22 2024 05:22 riotjune wrote:
Biden could be a complete comatose potato (or a corpse) and I'd still vote for him, just because he's still better than the alternative lul
I'm not really familiar with anyone outside of Kamala, Newsom, and Bernie (if they decide to hold an open convention, which doesn't seem likely). But if they want to stick with Kamala, that's like a double whammy? (I personally don't care, but the rest of America likely do.) Play it safe and pick a white guy for VP, though I don't know how much that would help... The alternative is losing the black vote because your passing up the obvious replacement, as that is literally Kamala's job as VP.
(not as in them voting for Trump but being less likely to vote at all)
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What is the people's problem with Kamala Harris? I don't follow US politics that much but I heard quite a few times she's not that popular. What did she do to earn this attitude towards her?
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On July 22 2024 05:24 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2024 05:22 riotjune wrote:
Biden could be a complete comatose potato (or a corpse) and I'd still vote for him, just because he's still better than the alternative lul
I'm not really familiar with anyone outside of Kamala, Newsom, and Bernie (if they decide to hold an open convention, which doesn't seem likely). But if they want to stick with Kamala, that's like a double whammy? (I personally don't care, but the rest of America likely do.) Play it safe and pick a white guy for VP, though I don't know how much that would help... The alternative is losing the black vote because your passing up the obvious replacement, as that is literally Kamala's job as VP. (not as in them voting for Trump but being less likely to vote at all)
They are going to lose a lot more voters by making her the Presidential nominee seemingly without giving the American people a say.
We didn't vote for Kamala Harris in 2020. We didn't get a say in who Joe Biden picked for his VP, and now we're all of a sudden just supposed to back her for President because he stayed in the race WAY longer than he should and gave the Democrats next to no time to run an actual primary so the voters could choose his replacement?
How the fuck is that Democracy in action? How are the Democrats any better than the Republicans when it comes to "securing Democracy?"
They are making Donald Trump's case FOR HIM.
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On July 22 2024 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2024 05:24 Gorsameth wrote:On July 22 2024 05:22 riotjune wrote:
Biden could be a complete comatose potato (or a corpse) and I'd still vote for him, just because he's still better than the alternative lul
I'm not really familiar with anyone outside of Kamala, Newsom, and Bernie (if they decide to hold an open convention, which doesn't seem likely). But if they want to stick with Kamala, that's like a double whammy? (I personally don't care, but the rest of America likely do.) Play it safe and pick a white guy for VP, though I don't know how much that would help... The alternative is losing the black vote because your passing up the obvious replacement, as that is literally Kamala's job as VP. (not as in them voting for Trump but being less likely to vote at all) They are going to lose a lot more voters by making her the Presidential nominee seemingly without giving the American people a say. We didn't vote for Kamala Harris in 2020. We didn't get a say in who Joe Biden picked for his VP, and now we're all of a sudden just supposed to back her for President because he stayed in the race WAY longer than he should and gave the Democrats next to no time to run an actual primary so the voters could choose his replacement? How the fuck is that Democracy in action? How are the Democrats any better than the Republicans when it comes to "securing Democracy?" They are making Donald Trump's case FOR HIM.
Exactly.
I've already spoken to one American guy who called her a 'DEI hire'. She's not, but Trump will push that angle HARD.
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On July 22 2024 05:27 ZeroByte13 wrote:
What is the people's problem with Kamala Harris? I don't follow US politics that much but I heard quite a few times she's not that popular. What did she do to earn this attitude towards her?
She’s not Ms super likeable, and she hasn’t really compensated by being the ruthless and competent type in her stint as VP. I mean say what you want about Dick Cheney (for some reason my pub quiz team is named after him apropos of nothing), but the guy got shit done.
For the further left leaning folks she’s a ‘cop’ as well which doesn’t endear her especially, although on the flipside some folks will actively respond positively to that track record.
Some people just don’t like certain characteristics in a woman that they’d find acceptable in a bloke too.
I think it’s less she’s relentlessly unpopular, more she’s not especially popular. She hasn’t really found some particular niche to excel in. Least is my read. I mean it sounds like semantic nonsense but I think they are two different things.
I mean think of the most kinda nondescript dude/dudette in high school or w/e, kinda goes under the radar. Nobody actively hates them, so they’re not especially unpopular, equally they’re not inspiring in the other direction so you wouldn’t make them valedictorian or w/e
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There's still enough time to come up with a decent candidate but Biden dropping out that late is a sign a looot of things have gone terribly wrong in the last months if not years.
Biden replacement has to be someone new, it can't be Kamala Harris. If it's her I think Trump is like 55-65% favored to win the election.
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On July 22 2024 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2024 05:33 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 22 2024 05:24 Gorsameth wrote:On July 22 2024 05:22 riotjune wrote:
Biden could be a complete comatose potato (or a corpse) and I'd still vote for him, just because he's still better than the alternative lul
I'm not really familiar with anyone outside of Kamala, Newsom, and Bernie (if they decide to hold an open convention, which doesn't seem likely). But if they want to stick with Kamala, that's like a double whammy? (I personally don't care, but the rest of America likely do.) Play it safe and pick a white guy for VP, though I don't know how much that would help... The alternative is losing the black vote because your passing up the obvious replacement, as that is literally Kamala's job as VP. (not as in them voting for Trump but being less likely to vote at all) They are going to lose a lot more voters by making her the Presidential nominee seemingly without giving the American people a say. We didn't vote for Kamala Harris in 2020. We didn't get a say in who Joe Biden picked for his VP, and now we're all of a sudden just supposed to back her for President because he stayed in the race WAY longer than he should and gave the Democrats next to no time to run an actual primary so the voters could choose his replacement? How the fuck is that Democracy in action? How are the Democrats any better than the Republicans when it comes to "securing Democracy?" They are making Donald Trump's case FOR HIM. Exactly. I've already spoken to one American guy who called her a 'DEI hire'. She's not, but Trump will push that angle HARD.
The worst part is, people on the Left are going to attempt to spin the angle of "Oh you're just not sure about her because she's a woman of color" guilt trip. That's not why I don't like her, and even if it was, that spin isn't going to work. You cannot guilt trip the American public in to voting for a woman. That didn't work for Hillary Clinton it won't work for Kamala Harris. She needs to win the election on her OWN merits, and what are those exactly? Aside from being hand picked by Biden to be elevated to VP what exactly does she have on her resume that makes her a good presidential candidate? For how badly Hillary was disliked, she at least was indisputably qualified. Harris doesn't even have that going for her and yet she's the one that Biden's camp is trying to push into the Oval office, bypassing the electoral primary process?
The entire thing is a fucking mess. Democrats are making themselves look like a bunch of clowns in this election.
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On July 22 2024 05:27 ZeroByte13 wrote:
What is the people's problem with Kamala Harris? I don't follow US politics that much but I heard quite a few times she's not that popular. What did she do to earn this attitude towards her?
In 2020 there was a vocal minority of the left who were anti Kamala because she was a former prosecutor and considered "part of the problem" as far as criminal justice reform goes.
She "looks the part" as far as appearances go but when she would speak in 2020 she wasnt very charismatic. I think with her looks if she had more charisma shed be a shoe in to win. I feel like its tough for women running for high office, especially in the US, because if they are assertive they can come off as cold or a bitch and theres a segment of the populace that will hold it against them. If they are too warm and friendly they get attacked as being weak. Its kind of a damned if you do and damned if you dont problem.
I just think she was kinda meh as a primary candidate in 2020 and people are worried that she will still be meh. She would still run circles around trump from an intellect standpoint so I have a hard time seeing him agree to debate her. The only things I could see him attack her on is 1)she couldnt even come close to winning her primary in 2020, 2)blaming her for inflation, 3)blaming her and saying she helped hide Bidens decline from the public (which i think is nonsense)
Ill vote for a sack of potatoes too over Trump and JD Vance. I just want the democrats to win for the sake of our future as a country and the planet. Project 2025 has to be defeated.
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On July 22 2024 05:27 ZeroByte13 wrote:
What is the people's problem with Kamala Harris? I don't follow US politics that much but I heard quite a few times she's not that popular. What did she do to earn this attitude towards her?
That's the thing, she did nothing wrong. She's just not likable enough. That's the best conclusion I came to. The woman's clearly super smart, educated and experienced but she just isn't charming. She seems like she even alienates the black voters somehow, it's really ridiculous but it's how it seems to me. I'd like for an american to explain it, I asked my gf, she's from California and she just said "Kamala's just not likable enough, ok? You wouldn't get it cause you're a dumb Bulgarian." And I agree, I'm as dumb as they come but is Trump likable, I asked. He is, apparently, she said. For half the nation, they don't mind the felon winning, as long as it's not a charmless black woman or the walking corpse.
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On July 22 2024 05:44 Sadist wrote:
1)she couldnt even come close to winning her primary in 2020, 2)blaming her for inflation, 3)blaming her and saying she helped hide Bidens decline from the public (which i think is nonsense)
"She was only made VP because she's a black woman"
Its too obvious.
That discussion has already been pushed by Republicans when she was just sitting there as VP being no threat to them.
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