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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
July 21 2024 19:05 GMT
#85781
The right thing to do at the absolute worst time. Ugh.

Anyone but Harris please. This will look extra terrible to have her shoe horned into the office now without a proper primary.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:05 GMT
#85782
On July 22 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If the Democrats run Harris they deserve to lose.
Are they really that out of touch with the populace?


Given Biden's full-throated endorsement of Harris as the presumptive Democratic nominee, I think it's safe to say that it's going to be Harris vs. Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1082 Posts
July 21 2024 19:05 GMT
#85783
Cancel culture strikes again. You would think people would learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them. Just because loudmouth idiots tell you to step aside does not mean you actually have to step aside.

But our Democrat senators, representatives, and big donors still haven’t learned the lesson. They listened to the twitter loudmouths (being amplified by Musk) and put pressure on Biden to step down. He fell for it. Shame on him.

I guess we get what we deserve. We’re stupid. As I’ve heard on this forum, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:05 GMT
#85784
On July 22 2024 04:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
The right thing to do at the absolute worst time. Ugh.

Anyone but Harris please. This will look extra terrible to have her shoe horned into the office now without a proper primary.


On July 22 2024 03:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
If the Democrats run Harris they deserve to lose.
Are they really that out of touch with the populace?


Given Biden's full-throated endorsement of Harris as the presumptive Democratic nominee, I think it's safe to say that it's going to be Harris vs. Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:06 GMT
#85785
On July 22 2024 04:05 RenSC2 wrote:
Cancel culture strikes again. You would think people would learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them. Just because loudmouth idiots tell you to step aside does not mean you actually have to step aside.

But our Democrat senators, representatives, and big donors still haven’t learned the lesson. They listened to the twitter loudmouths (being amplified by Musk) and put pressure on Biden to step down. He fell for it. Shame on him.

I guess we get what we deserve. We’re stupid. As I’ve heard on this forum, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


This is definitely not cancel culture.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23712 Posts
July 21 2024 19:08 GMT
#85786
Poll: Democrats Should...

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☐ Fall in line behind Harris
☐ Have a blitz primary into the convention
☐ Have a "Convention Primary" among delegates
☐ Make Harris President, then fall in line behind her.
☐ Doesn't matter, they're going to lose


Poll: If there is a contest the nominee should be...

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☐ K. Harris
☐ G. Whitmer
☐ G. Newsome
☐ J. Pritzker
☐ M. Obama
☐ H. Clinton
☐ A. Klobuchar
☐ Someone Else


"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 21 2024 19:11 GMT
#85787
On July 22 2024 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Poll: Democrats Should...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ Fall in line behind Harris
☐ Have a blitz primary into the convention
☐ Have a "Convention Primary" among delegates
☐ Make Harris President, then fall in line behind her.
☐ Doesn't matter, they're going to lose


Poll: If there is a contest the nominee should be...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ K. Harris
☐ G. Whitmer
☐ G. Newsome
☐ J. Pritzker
☐ M. Obama
☐ H. Clinton
☐ A. Klobuchar
☐ Someone Else



You can take off Pritzker, Obama, and Clinton. That's not going to happen at all. The rest...coin flips.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:14 GMT
#85788
Who would be the ideal runningmate for Kamala Harris? PA's Shapiro? Maybe Whitmer?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 21 2024 19:15 GMT
#85789
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:16 GMT
#85790
On July 22 2024 04:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.


That would double-up California support though (Harris and Newsom), which isn't particularly helpful. I think someone from a swing state would poll better.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
July 21 2024 19:25 GMT
#85791
On July 22 2024 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.


That would double-up California support though (Harris and Newsom), which isn't particularly helpful. I think someone from a swing state would poll better.

But you'd get the support Newsom has across the country that Harris doesn't, no? Only person I could think of would be Whitmer but I don't see that ticket going anywhere.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43674 Posts
July 21 2024 19:26 GMT
#85792
On July 22 2024 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 03:59 WombaT wrote:
Is this how Bernie can win?

That's probably one reason they don't want an actually open primary

No. If Biden is too old then Bernie is not the answer.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43674 Posts
July 21 2024 19:27 GMT
#85793
On July 22 2024 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Poll: Democrats Should...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ Fall in line behind Harris
☐ Have a blitz primary into the convention
☐ Have a "Convention Primary" among delegates
☐ Make Harris President, then fall in line behind her.
☐ Doesn't matter, they're going to lose


Poll: If there is a contest the nominee should be...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ K. Harris
☐ G. Whitmer
☐ G. Newsome
☐ J. Pritzker
☐ M. Obama
☐ H. Clinton
☐ A. Klobuchar
☐ Someone Else



Someone else: T Swifty. She's got what it takes to defeat Trump head to head.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9781 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-21 19:30:57
July 21 2024 19:29 GMT
#85794
On July 22 2024 04:27 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Poll: Democrats Should...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ Fall in line behind Harris
☐ Have a blitz primary into the convention
☐ Have a "Convention Primary" among delegates
☐ Make Harris President, then fall in line behind her.
☐ Doesn't matter, they're going to lose


Poll: If there is a contest the nominee should be...

You must be logged in to vote in this poll.

☐ K. Harris
☐ G. Whitmer
☐ G. Newsome
☐ J. Pritzker
☐ M. Obama
☐ H. Clinton
☐ A. Klobuchar
☐ Someone Else



Someone else: T Swifty. She's got what it takes to defeat Trump head to head.

I've been saying this elsewhere.

I got told that because she's a woman she would lose.

Its a pretty strong argument tbh.

My argument was she's the anti-Trump.

More famous.

More rich.

Hotter.

Imagine how angry he'd get lol

"Trump needed his family's and the government's money to become successful and still ended up in debt. I did it myself and I'm richer and more successful."
RIP Meatloaf <3
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
July 21 2024 19:32 GMT
#85795
On July 22 2024 04:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 22 2024 04:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.


That would double-up California support though (Harris and Newsom), which isn't particularly helpful. I think someone from a swing state would poll better.

But you'd get the support Newsom has across the country that Harris doesn't, no? Only person I could think of would be Whitmer but I don't see that ticket going anywhere.


I think PA's governor, Josh Shapiro, is head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of maximizing the chance of Harris beating Trump. He locks up PA, meaning that we only need to win MI and WI. He's also a very articulate "young" white/Jewish/white-passing man, which is extremely important in this moment.

Nobody guarantees a win, but I think Harris-Shapiro is the best bet we've got.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-07-21 19:32:45
July 21 2024 19:32 GMT
#85796
Hypothetical, but let's say Trump was assassinated, and Biden dropped out.
In this timeline, what would the matchup be in Novermber from the GOP side?

I don't see anyone with the same appeal as Trump, just a lot of imitations.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
July 21 2024 19:33 GMT
#85797
On July 22 2024 04:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 03:59 WombaT wrote:
Is this how Bernie can win?

That's probably one reason they don't want an actually open primary
He is in a better state then Biden but hes 82 ffs.
Leave the geriatrics at home.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9781 Posts
July 21 2024 19:33 GMT
#85798
On July 22 2024 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On July 22 2024 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 22 2024 04:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.


That would double-up California support though (Harris and Newsom), which isn't particularly helpful. I think someone from a swing state would poll better.

But you'd get the support Newsom has across the country that Harris doesn't, no? Only person I could think of would be Whitmer but I don't see that ticket going anywhere.


I think PA's governor, Josh Shapiro, is head-and-shoulders above the rest in terms of maximizing the chance of Harris beating Trump. He locks up PA, meaning that we only need to win MI and WI. He's also a very articulate "young" white/Jewish/white-passing man, which is extremely important in this moment.

Nobody guarantees a win, but I think Harris-Shapiro is the best bet we've got.


Guarantees a win?
If Harris runs Trump wouldn't even need to be seen in public between now and the election to win by an absolute mile.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22131 Posts
July 21 2024 19:37 GMT
#85799
On July 22 2024 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:15 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'd put my bet on Newsom but I don't follow his politics very much. It would be his best step at getting closer to the presidency that he wants.


That would double-up California support though (Harris and Newsom), which isn't particularly helpful. I think someone from a swing state would poll better.
Both President and VP candidate from the same state is an issue because electors can't vote for both.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1082 Posts
July 21 2024 19:37 GMT
#85800
On July 22 2024 04:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2024 04:05 RenSC2 wrote:
Cancel culture strikes again. You would think people would learn from past mistakes and stop repeating them. Just because loudmouth idiots tell you to step aside does not mean you actually have to step aside.

But our Democrat senators, representatives, and big donors still haven’t learned the lesson. They listened to the twitter loudmouths (being amplified by Musk) and put pressure on Biden to step down. He fell for it. Shame on him.

I guess we get what we deserve. We’re stupid. As I’ve heard on this forum, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


This is definitely not cancel culture.

What separates this from cancel culture? Public pressure campaign to force someone out of a position that they have obtained. Biden crushed the primaries. By all rights, the dem nomination is his. It’s only the public pressure from a very vocal minority that has spooked the sponsors (donors) that is forcing Biden out.
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