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BlackJack
United States10428 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44173 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28636 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15644 Posts
On July 12 2024 08:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Did Biden also call Kamala Harris "Vice President Trump"? LMAO WHAT. Like just now? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24995 Posts
On July 12 2024 08:22 Liquid`Drone wrote: Bush actually blamed his advanced age (of 75) for the Iraq-Ukraine one.  Bush wasn’t running for President at that stage to be fair, I was more talking about President Bush, someone infamous for making gaffes. I think the odd fuckup is completely understandable and perhaps punished too harshly in the perception of folks. But Biden is matching Bush for quotable fuckups within a singular press conference seemingly. The frustrating part this evening is that actually Biden hasn’t been too bad overall, but he’s called his VP Trump and Zelensky Putin. I’d heavily wager on what is more likely to stick | ||
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Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15644 Posts
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KwarK
United States42518 Posts
On July 12 2024 09:56 Mohdoo wrote: Harris, MrBeast, Newsom, I don’t care. The only priority needs to be the statistically most likely to prevent Trump from being president. This performance by him was the result of a week of prep by his entire team knowing this is a sink or swim moment. Even if we label tonight’s performance as acceptable, which I totally do not, we can only assume this was the result of an extremely abnormal and generally unrealistic level of preparation. He can’t be cruising around the country rallying people to vote for him like this As you say we just need whoever is most likely to beat Trump. My analysis suggests that Taylor Swift would win. | ||
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micronesia
United States24664 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On July 12 2024 10:13 micronesia wrote: One interesting thing about this timing is that, should Biden drop out, a choice for who to run is being made after the opposing nominee is already known, rather than simultaneous with the GOP primary. In theory, that's an advantag. Except there's going to be a massive amount of infighting among the Democrats the moment he steps down. You have guys like Newsom waiting his turn in 2028 getting skipped over by Kamala Harris who let's be honest was put on as the VP ticket to shore up Biden's diversity on his presidential ticket. She was barely in her first term as Senator from California when she was appointed, she's skipping all kinds of political steps to get right at the foot of the White House. I don't expect this upcoming Democratic convention to be anything less than chaos. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44173 Posts
On July 12 2024 09:56 Mohdoo wrote: Harris, MrBeast, Newsom, I don’t care. The only priority needs to be the statistically most likely to prevent Trump from being president. I think that's the problem, actually. The polling isn't super clear about who the best bet is. You can find polls that have Biden as the best bet, Michelle Obama as possibly better, Harris as possibly better, or others too. No one is really a favorite against Trump, but a lot of options seem to be around the "50/50 tie" to "slight 45/55 disadvantage" against Trump. For example, here are a series of national polls: https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/president/general-election July 11th: Biden -1 against Trump in 5-way race, Biden ties Trump in 1v1, Harris +2 against Trump in 1v1. July 10th: Biden -3 against Trump in 5-way race. July 9th: Biden outperforms Harris, Newsom, and Whitmer in 1v1 against Trump. Things continue to become even murkier when you look at specific swing states, or 5-way races instead of 1v1, or other kinds of polls. Even if Biden ends up with, say, just a 30% chance of beating Trump, it's hard to tell (especially right now) if swapping Biden for someone else would actually improve the chance of beating Trump, or if the replacement candidate would do even worse. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23153 Posts
Is chaos at the convention (which Biden is hoping no one realizes is actually happening virtually and in July) or Biden pushing through his party basically saying he's not up for the job worse? It's a question that could have been avoided by not consolidating around him in 2020 to stop Bernie, not telling progressives in 2022 to shut up about him not being the nominee, forcing Biden not to have the least press conferences of any recent president, or even having a pseudo-primary where everyone is supporting Joe Biden but they bring the public into the debates among Democrat factions about what kind of policy they should be pursuing. Instead Democrats ignored their better judgement (and a majority of the party) and insisted Biden was the guy and demanded everyone fall in line behind him. Now they've put democracy at serious risk. There has to be intraparty accountability for those that gave us Clinton and Biden. Including those from "the new generation" that followed them (and dragged their supporters) into this generational catastrophe. EDIT: Also where's Serm to tell us Biden should be replaced with Amy Klobuchar? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On July 12 2024 10:29 Vindicare605 wrote: Except there's going to be a massive amount of infighting among the Democrats the moment he steps down. You have guys like Newsom waiting his turn in 2028 getting skipped over by Kamala Harris who let's be honest was put on as the VP ticket to shore up Biden's diversity on his presidential ticket. She was barely in her first term as Senator from California when she was appointed, she's skipping all kinds of political steps to get right at the foot of the White House. I don't expect this upcoming Democratic convention to be anything less than chaos. Obama didn't have the creds either. Your point? I think Newsom has a better chance until AOC gets going. But besides that, there is what? Whitmore? Not a very deep pool to choose from leading up to the election. Harris or Newsome. Pick your poison. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44173 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23153 Posts
On July 12 2024 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Random thought: What if Democrats decided not to be super embarrassed by Biden's gaffes and just did what Republicans do, every time Trump messes up names and words? Just shrug it off and deflect? + Show Spoiler + I think it's cringeworthy that Biden messed up Harris/Trump and Zelenskyy/Putin - even though he immediately caught his mistake and corrected himself - but Trump has confused Obama/Biden/Clinton countless times, Haley/Pelosi several times without even realizing it, Jeb/George, and his ex-wife with one of his rape victims. Shrugging, deflecting and whataboutism is what Democrats have been doing? That's what had Biden behind Trump and WAY behind where he was running in 2020. Which prompted Biden to challenge Trump to a debate as a hail mary to save his chances. Then he fell flat on his face in front of 51 million people live, and the jig was up. Besides not being a winning strategy for swing voters, gaslighting Dem voters that aren't full on sycophants by trying to make them ignore what we all saw and would keep seeing is not only a losing strategy, it's pathetic. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
I would argue for replacement with someone who is already well known, and popular in swing states. I don't know who that is, but there needs to be a coherent strategy because Biden's only gotten worse the more media appearances he's made. The media hyper-focusing on his gaffes make it even more of an issue in voter's minds than it is. Being nationally popular matters a lot less because as long as there is the appearance of a smooth transition of leadership involving Biden doing a press conference, announcing his withdrawal, and Democrat party heavy hitters being present and either praising the new nominee or tacitly approving, that'll be enough I think. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2532 Posts
On July 12 2024 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Random thought: What if Democrats decided not to be super embarrassed by Biden's gaffes and just did what Republicans do, every time Trump messes up names and words? Just shrug it off and deflect? I think it's cringeworthy that Biden messed up Harris/Trump and Zelenskyy/Putin - even though he immediately caught his mistake and corrected himself - but Trump has confused Obama/Biden/Clinton countless times, Haley/Pelosi several times without even realizing it, Jeb/George, and one of his ex-wives with one of his rape victims. Maybe the double-standard isn't a great idea, and so maybe every time Biden loses his train of thought or says something silly, we should counter with twice as many reminders of Trump's cognitive glitches. And then we can add Project 2025 and fascism and Roe v. Wade, for good measure. Race to the bottom in more ways than one imo. One because "Yeah but your guy is worse than our guy" is a race to the bottom, and two secretly knowing your candidate is unable to perform but trying to make him president anyways sounds terrible for the country, both in an immediate "next four years" sense and in the sense of the dem party (or republican fwiw) actually going through any kind of reform. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10428 Posts
On July 12 2024 10:29 Vindicare605 wrote: Except there's going to be a massive amount of infighting among the Democrats the moment he steps down. You have guys like Newsom waiting his turn in 2028 getting skipped over by Kamala Harris who let's be honest was put on as the VP ticket to shore up Biden's diversity on his presidential ticket. She was barely in her first term as Senator from California when she was appointed, she's skipping all kinds of political steps to get right at the foot of the White House. I don't expect this upcoming Democratic convention to be anything less than chaos. Nominating someone for their race and gender as opposed to their merit and qualifications and it coming around to bite them in the ass is just *chef’s kiss* | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany905 Posts
On July 12 2024 11:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Random thought: What if Democrats decided not to be super embarrassed by Biden's gaffes and just did what Republicans do, every time Trump messes up names and words? Just shrug it off and deflect? I think it's cringeworthy that Biden messed up Harris/Trump and Zelenskyy/Putin - even though he immediately caught his mistake and corrected himself - but Trump has confused Obama/Biden/Clinton countless times, Haley/Pelosi several times without even realizing it, Jeb/George, and one of his ex-wives with one of his rape victims. Maybe the double-standard isn't a great idea, and so maybe every time Biden loses his train of thought or says something silly, we should counter with twice as many reminders of Trump's cognitive glitches. And then we can add Project 2025 and fascism and Roe v. Wade, for good measure. This actually. Dems could have decided to look for another candidate day 1 past election day 2020. As long as "Biden cognitive decline" was just a Right-Wing slur, none of them moved. Now there is blood in the water and Dems/Media have a really hard time not got get in front of microphones shouting down Biden. I was shocked by this blunder - but so far I really don't have a doubt that Biden's administration is bajillion times more competent and fair than what every clown circus Trump will bring. Sadly Media AGAIN only cares about media performance - not substance. But okay, they are owned by Bezos, Murdoch and others.. so the post-capitalism wealth aristocracy that will just fuck off to space if things on earth get weird. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On July 12 2024 15:22 BlackJack wrote: Nominating someone for their race and gender as opposed to their merit and qualifications and it coming around to bite them in the ass is just *chef’s kiss* 2016's election was four white people who don't belong near the levers of power, three of them men. 2020's election was three white men who don't belong near the levers of power and one black woman who doesn't belong near the levers of power. Clearly the racist and sexist part of this is the presence of the black woman. | ||
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