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On June 25 2024 23:20 KwarK wrote:I quoted it as it appeared in the source I read but even if it’s about flow restrictors, which aren’t a big political issue or even partisan, it’s still nonsense. Show nested quote + Now they'll say all these stories are terrible. Well, these stories have, you know, you heard my story in the boat with the shark, right? I got killed on that. They thought I was rambling. I'm not rambling. We can't get the boat to float. The battery is so heavy. So then I start talking about asking questions. You know, I have an, I had an uncle who was a great professor at MIT for many years, long, I think the longest tenure ever. Very smart, had three different degrees and you know, so I have an aptitude for things. You know, there is such a thing as an aptitude. I said, well, what would happen if this boat is so heavy and started to sink and you're on the top of the boat. Do you get electrocuted or not? In other words, the boat is going down and you're on the top, will the electric currents flow through the water and wipe you out? And let's say there's a shark about 10 yards over there. Would I have to immediately abandon or could I ride the electric down and he said, sir, nobody's ever asked us that question. But sir, I don't know. I said, well, I want to know because I guarantee you one thing, I don't care what happens. I'm staying with the electric, I'm not getting over with it. So I tell that story. And the fake news they go, he told this crazy story with electric. It's actually not crazy. It's sort of a smart story, right? Sort of like, you know, it's like the snake, it's a smart when you, you figure what you're leaving in, right? You're bringing it in the, you know, the snake, right? The snake and the snake. I tell that and they do the same thing.
Kudos to Democrats (and their conservative allies) for employing the type of propaganda Republicans have, but again, people talk like this. Especially people in places like PA/for the "Faith and Freedom" crowd where he said them.
Best I can tell these purposely wrong/misleading quotes/transcripts are coming from Biden-Harris HQ on twitter. They do include the video, but the people who copy paste it elsewhere don't always.
If what he actually said is incoherent (it's not, it's just not in coastal liberal speak) then purposely making it worse by intentionally leaving parts out probably doesn't actually help Democrats.
People can read along with the video and see for themselves how long it takes for there to be a discrepancy between what he said and what is quoted, then consider what end that manipulation serves.
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United States41983 Posts
On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues.
Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face.
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning.
Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water?
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On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water?
I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful.
As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back.
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On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back.
Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5gpm and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there. Not because 2.5gpm is inherently good, I don’t know and don’t care, but because 2.5gpm is inherently 2.5gpm. If you don’t like 2.5gpm then change that, don’t pretend 10 is 2.5.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. How many of his blue collar voters got shower remodels and now live in fear of the 2.5gpm gestapo raiding them? Is this a real issue and if so, is this a real fix for that issue?
Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one.
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On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. + Show Spoiler +Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5g and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one.
He's a charleton?. Biden's rule also has basically the same loophole, but the shower heads can't be angled down from above your head (almost feels like a slight specifically against Trump lol).
I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters".
I think it's probably a stupid little lie where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, but Democrats taking the gloves off to "go low" with this sort of deceitful propaganda gives me a little hope they can manage not to lose to a 2x impeached, 34x convicted felon, insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist that's said he'll be a day 1 dictator.
Democrats are going to have to lie bigger (you could consider that they actually don't believe Trump will destroy democracy as a pretty big one I guess) or not bother though imo.
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United States41983 Posts
On June 26 2024 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. + Show Spoiler +Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5g and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. He's a charleton?. Biden's rule also has basically the same loophole, but the shower heads can't be angled down from above your head (almost feels like a slight specifically against Trump lol). I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters". I think it's probably a stupid little lie where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, but Democrats taking the gloves off to "go low" with this sort of deceitful propaganda gives me a little hope they can manage not to lose to a 2x impeached, 34x convicted felon, insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist that's said he'll be a day 1 dictator. Democrats are going to have to lie bigger (you could consider that they actually don't believe Trump will destroy democracy as a pretty big one I guess) or not bother though imo.
My original point stands. Campaign Trump rambles about nonsense in a weird culture war way that doesn’t meaningfully connect with any of the issues facing America. The people were not demanding to know where each candidate stands on the showerhead equivalent of bump stocks. This is simply not a partisan issue. He’s essentially grandpa Simpson, but with worse parenting, more ex wives, and less military service.
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On June 26 2024 01:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. + Show Spoiler +Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5g and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. He's a charleton?. Biden's rule also has basically the same loophole, but the shower heads can't be angled down from above your head (almost feels like a slight specifically against Trump lol). I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters". I think it's probably a stupid little lie where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, but Democrats taking the gloves off to "go low" with this sort of deceitful propaganda gives me a little hope they can manage not to lose to a 2x impeached, 34x convicted felon, insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist that's said he'll be a day 1 dictator. Democrats are going to have to lie bigger (you could consider that they actually don't believe Trump will destroy democracy as a pretty big one I guess) or not bother though imo. My original point stands. Campaign Trump rambles about nonsense in a weird culture war way that doesn’t meaningfully connect with any of the issues facing America. The people were not demanding to know where each candidate stands on the showerhead equivalent of bump stocks. This is simply not a partisan issue. He’s essentially grandpa Simpson, but with worse parenting, more ex wives, and less military service.
I'm sure that read is popular among plenty of Biden supporters. My point is that as obtuse and incoherent as it seems to you, it is actually rather salient for his supporters and people he's trying to "win over" in critical swing states he's leading in like PA.
You're/Democrats not understanding it or its importance to them while berating them with wilfully deceitful propaganda is quintessentially what Trump is running on (and talking about in the misquotes funnily enough). Hence my suggestion that its probably not having the desired impact (outside of the sort of lib circle jerks where you probably found it).
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On June 26 2024 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 01:35 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. + Show Spoiler +Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5g and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. He's a charleton?. Biden's rule also has basically the same loophole, but the shower heads can't be angled down from above your head (almost feels like a slight specifically against Trump lol). I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters". I think it's probably a stupid little lie where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, but Democrats taking the gloves off to "go low" with this sort of deceitful propaganda gives me a little hope they can manage not to lose to a 2x impeached, 34x convicted felon, insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist that's said he'll be a day 1 dictator. Democrats are going to have to lie bigger (you could consider that they actually don't believe Trump will destroy democracy as a pretty big one I guess) or not bother though imo. My original point stands. Campaign Trump rambles about nonsense in a weird culture war way that doesn’t meaningfully connect with any of the issues facing America. The people were not demanding to know where each candidate stands on the showerhead equivalent of bump stocks. This is simply not a partisan issue. He’s essentially grandpa Simpson, but with worse parenting, more ex wives, and less military service. I'm sure that read is popular among plenty of Biden supporters. My point is that as obtuse and incoherent as it seems to you, it is actually rather salient for his supporters and people he's trying to "win over" in critical swing states he's leading in like PA. You're/Democrats not understanding it or its importance to them while berating them with wilfully deceitful propaganda is quintessentially what Trump is running on (and talking about in the misquotes funnily enough). Hence my suggestion that its probably not having the desired impact (outside of the sort of lib circle jerks where you probably found it).
If I’d asked you yesterday whether showerhead bump stocks were an important issue to PA voters I suspect you’d have said no.
They’re important in as much as grandpa Simpson complained about them to his cult and now presumably his cult identifies as dry and soapy. But if he’d complained about anything else then they’d identify as that.
He’s not identifying issues that matter to them, they’re just in a cult.
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That's just not true, it's pretty much exactly as GH said, and this is one of those literally "make America great again" type minor issues that percolate, ans not just in right wing ecosystems. Maybe also because I'm in California, but rules around water usage and appliances are hardly unusual topics of conversation. It's not an election deciding thing by itself but it plays very nicely with broad complaints and dissatisfaction with the country and its governmental/ bureaucratic functioning today. Just because you, in particular, don't hear people talk about it doesn't mean other people don't have an opinion or notice when things don't work as well they used to.
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On June 26 2024 03:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 01:35 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 01:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:
Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable.
[quote] What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. + Show Spoiler +Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5g and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there.
But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. He's a charleton?. Biden's rule also has basically the same loophole, but the shower heads can't be angled down from above your head (almost feels like a slight specifically against Trump lol). I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters". I think it's probably a stupid little lie where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, but Democrats taking the gloves off to "go low" with this sort of deceitful propaganda gives me a little hope they can manage not to lose to a 2x impeached, 34x convicted felon, insurrectionist, adjudicated rapist that's said he'll be a day 1 dictator. Democrats are going to have to lie bigger (you could consider that they actually don't believe Trump will destroy democracy as a pretty big one I guess) or not bother though imo. My original point stands. Campaign Trump rambles about nonsense in a weird culture war way that doesn’t meaningfully connect with any of the issues facing America. The people were not demanding to know where each candidate stands on the showerhead equivalent of bump stocks. This is simply not a partisan issue. He’s essentially grandpa Simpson, but with worse parenting, more ex wives, and less military service. I'm sure that read is popular among plenty of Biden supporters. My point is that as obtuse and incoherent as it seems to you, it is actually rather salient for his supporters and people he's trying to "win over" in critical swing states he's leading in like PA. You're/Democrats not understanding it or its importance to them while berating them with wilfully deceitful propaganda is quintessentially what Trump is running on (and talking about in the misquotes funnily enough). Hence my suggestion that its probably not having the desired impact (outside of the sort of lib circle jerks where you probably found it). If I’d asked you yesterday whether showerhead bump stocks were an important issue to PA voters I suspect you’d have said no. + Show Spoiler +They’re important in as much as grandpa Simpson complained about them to his cult and now presumably his cult identifies as dry and soapy. But if he’d complained about anything else then they’d identify as that. He’s not identifying issues that matter to them, they’re just in a cult.
Correct, I would have said no yesterday and I'm saying that today.
I think you're right that it's not a particularly important issue for people, but it fits into a larger narrative of "stupid government making stupid rules about what I do in my own home with things I pay for" for his supporters and "swing voters".
That narrative combined with the persecutory delusions + Show Spoiler +(I mean this colloquially, not diagnostically) You're/Democrats not understanding it or its importance to them while berating them with wilfully deceitful propaganda is quintessentially what Trump is running on (and talking about in the misquotes funnily enough).
I mean from where I stand both parties look pretty cultish. Especially with the whole Democrats being incapable of drawing a line at genocide/refusing to support someone that killed your mom in cold blood/anywhere it seems thus far.
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On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5gpm and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there. Not because 2.5gpm is inherently good, I don’t know and don’t care, but because 2.5gpm is inherently 2.5gpm. If you don’t like 2.5gpm then change that, don’t pretend 10 is 2.5. But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. How many of his blue collar voters got shower remodels and now live in fear of the 2.5gpm gestapo raiding them? Is this a real issue and if so, is this a real fix for that issue? Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one.
Gotta chalk this one up to Trump derangement syndrome.
You said that if you have a shower head with low pressure it's either because you bought one, the hotel you're staying at bought one, or the city passed an ordinance to preserve water. Turns out the issue was actually the federal government requiring it universally whether the area of the country had water issues or not. In fact Trump specifically mentioned this in his rant. For example he said this:
They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where you have so much water you don't know what to do with it. You know it's called rain and it rains a lot in certain places.
And the partisans you got the quote from changed it to:
There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places.
So contrary to what you said, we could reasonably conclude that this is "big government" from stopping you from having a good time since this is the federal government passing a regulation for every jurisdiction.
But then you said well why didn't Trump do something about it when he was in office.
GH showed you that he literally did change the rule to allow for more than 2.5 gallons per minute. But you still nitpick at the way he changed the rule saying he should have done it better or a different way. Or you rant about this not mattering to people even though I already said it's important to me. When I book a hotel I check the reviews and literally do a control + f to search for any mentions of water pressure, that's how important it is to me.
Is this the most important issue of our time? Not really. But it's also just a 60 second rant out of the hundreds of hours Trump spends ranting to the cameras. Apparently it also had to be deceitfully edited to make it seem more incoherent. You incorrectly assumed this was city ordinances leading to this problem, you incorrectly assumed that Trump didn't do anything to address it, and you incorrectly assumed that people don't care about this. As a result, your rant about Trump's rant seems more ridiculous than Trump's rant.
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On June 26 2024 03:45 Introvert wrote:
That's just not true, it's pretty much exactly as GH said, and this is one of those literally "make America great again" type minor issues that percolate, ans not just in right wing ecosystems. Maybe also because I'm in California, but rules around water usage and appliances are hardly unusual topics of conversation. It's not an election deciding thing by itself but it plays very nicely with broad complaints and dissatisfaction with the country and its governmental/ bureaucratic functioning today. Just because you, in particular, don't hear people talk about it doesn't mean other people don't have an opinion or notice when things don't work as well they used to.
How often do you think back fondly at pre 1992 showerheads? Because that’s the bit he’s upset about, the 1992 restriction that he did nothing about during his 4 years in office. Have you spent the last 34 years dry and soapy?
I genuinely can’t with you people. He’ll say this word salad and you come in here and insist that actually you’re not in a cult and that people other than me spend a considerable amount of time remembering the glory days before 2.5gpm.
I don’t believe you.
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On June 26 2024 04:12 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5gpm and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there. Not because 2.5gpm is inherently good, I don’t know and don’t care, but because 2.5gpm is inherently 2.5gpm. If you don’t like 2.5gpm then change that, don’t pretend 10 is 2.5. But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. How many of his blue collar voters got shower remodels and now live in fear of the 2.5gpm gestapo raiding them? Is this a real issue and if so, is this a real fix for that issue? Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. Gotta chalk this one up to Trump derangement syndrome. You said that if you have a shower head with low pressure it's either because you bought one, the hotel you're staying at bought one, or the city passed an ordinance to preserve water. Turns out the issue was actually the federal government requiring it universally whether the area of the country had water issues or not. In fact Trump specifically mentioned this in his rant. For example he said this: Show nested quote +They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where you have so much water you don't know what to do with it. You know it's called rain and it rains a lot in certain places. And the partisans you got the quote from changed it to: Show nested quote +There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. So contrary to what you said, we could reasonably conclude that this is "big government" from stopping you from having a good time since this is the federal government passing a regulation for every jurisdiction. But then you said well why didn't Trump do something about it when he was in office. GH showed you that he literally did change the rule to allow for more than 2.5 gallons per minute. But you still nitpick at the way he changed the rule saying he should have done it better or a different way. Or you rant about this not mattering to people even though I already said it's important to me. When I book a hotel I check the reviews and literally do a control + f to search for any mentions of water pressure, that's how important it is to me. Is this the most important issue of our time? Not really. But it's also just a 60 second rant out of the hundreds of hours Trump spends ranting to the cameras. Apparently it also had to be deceitfully edited to make it seem more incoherent. You incorrectly assumed this was city ordinances leading to this problem, you incorrectly assumed that Trump didn't do anything to address it, and you incorrectly assumed that people don't care about this. As a result, your rant about Trump's rant seems more ridiculous than Trump's rant.
Trump kept the original restriction in place but opened up a loophole so that you could essentially run multiple parallel showerheads that each individually complied with the limit but collectively broke it. I’m now learning this loophole, but not the original restriction which he left intact, is surprisingly important to you.
During the Trump multi nozzle full auto showerhead enforcement hold did you opt to install a multi nozzle showerhead in your home? Because if not I simply do not believe that this is an important issue to you. I genuinely don’t think showerhead bump stock code enforcement is that much of an important issue to anyone.
I’ll believe that you now believe it’s a critical issue for you but I also believe that if I’d asked you yesterday you’d have treated me like I was mad.
Trump says it and his supporters bleat along.
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The fact that Trump talked about an issue you didn't previously know about for 60 seconds isn't "weird" just because you're working in a framework where the standard is politicians who don't or can't speak constantly. The fact that you didn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anybody. Nor does it make it a make or break issue, a do or die issue, or even a critical issue. Nor does talking about it detract in any way from bigger issues, as Trump is not on some kind of time limit when he only gets 60 seconds to communicate his entire agenda and make his case on the campaign. Nobody has any confusion about Trump's views on issues like immigration, crime, SCOTUS, the economy, and foreign policy. Things which he also talks about constantly. And which he also talked about in the about hour and a half actual speech, if you care to reference it, where that excerpt came from, including other issues such as education, minority communities, and whether to call Joe Biden "Crooked" vs. "Sleepy."
What you should be asking is not "Look it's a big cult" but "What does this person have that's able to animate and motivate, sway and lead huge groups of people?"
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On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues.
If you honestly think that flow restrictors are a major 2024 presidential election campaign issue, then you have mental illness.
Read that again.
You are the one with mental illness.
You can call your mental illness 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' all you want.
Trump is saying he is going to end democracy, suspend the constitution, be a dictator from day one, give Putin a free win in Ukraine, abolish the income tax and literally destroy the US economy with consumption taxes, leave NATO, lock up his political opponents, ban media that are critical of him, organizing migrant fight league where migrants fight matches between to decide who is deported, and Trump is up in some polls.
Yet if we talk about Trump in any other way than to praise him for his flow restrictor rant. Or his rants about how it is better to be electrocuted rather than be eaten by a shark, or Trump doing his odd The Snake poem, or Trump ranting about how he hates his own voters and just wants their votes, or about how he is going to do mass deportations, or his rant about how Obama is president right now even though he Trump beat Obama in 2016, or about how he is going to pardon all Jan6 'patriots', or his rant about how they drugged up Joe Biden, or his rant about how Hunter Biden is has pounds forth of cocaine in the White House, or his rants about how the US is a third world country, or his rant about how the military is going to revolt against the deep state, or his rant about how he is very smart because his uncle was at MIT, or his rant about how he didn't fail a dementia test by 'acing it', or his rant about how wind mills have killed all the whales, or his rant about how wind mills cause cancer by chopping up oxygen molecules, or any of the other rants that when Trump does them, even Fox News cuts away because Fox News knows Trump is demented, unhinged, raving lunatic.
Maybe some people have 'saving democracy derangement syndrome' and they want Trump gone and to never have to think about him ever again.
But you go rave on about how Trump was right flow restrictors.
It is called mental illness. Go seek a professional and get help.
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On June 26 2024 04:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 04:12 BlackJack wrote:On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5gpm and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there. Not because 2.5gpm is inherently good, I don’t know and don’t care, but because 2.5gpm is inherently 2.5gpm. If you don’t like 2.5gpm then change that, don’t pretend 10 is 2.5. But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. How many of his blue collar voters got shower remodels and now live in fear of the 2.5gpm gestapo raiding them? Is this a real issue and if so, is this a real fix for that issue? Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. Gotta chalk this one up to Trump derangement syndrome. You said that if you have a shower head with low pressure it's either because you bought one, the hotel you're staying at bought one, or the city passed an ordinance to preserve water. Turns out the issue was actually the federal government requiring it universally whether the area of the country had water issues or not. In fact Trump specifically mentioned this in his rant. For example he said this: They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where you have so much water you don't know what to do with it. You know it's called rain and it rains a lot in certain places. And the partisans you got the quote from changed it to: There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. So contrary to what you said, we could reasonably conclude that this is "big government" from stopping you from having a good time since this is the federal government passing a regulation for every jurisdiction. But then you said well why didn't Trump do something about it when he was in office. GH showed you that he literally did change the rule to allow for more than 2.5 gallons per minute. But you still nitpick at the way he changed the rule saying he should have done it better or a different way. Or you rant about this not mattering to people even though I already said it's important to me. When I book a hotel I check the reviews and literally do a control + f to search for any mentions of water pressure, that's how important it is to me. Is this the most important issue of our time? Not really. But it's also just a 60 second rant out of the hundreds of hours Trump spends ranting to the cameras. Apparently it also had to be deceitfully edited to make it seem more incoherent. You incorrectly assumed this was city ordinances leading to this problem, you incorrectly assumed that Trump didn't do anything to address it, and you incorrectly assumed that people don't care about this. As a result, your rant about Trump's rant seems more ridiculous than Trump's rant. Trump kept the original restriction in place but opened up a loophole so that you could essentially run multiple parallel showerheads that each individually complied with the limit but collectively broke it. I’m now learning this loophole, but not the original restriction which he left intact, is surprisingly important to you. During the Trump multi nozzle full auto showerhead enforcement hold did you opt to install a multi nozzle showerhead in your home? Because if not I simply do not believe that this is an important issue to you. I genuinely don’t think showerhead bump stock code enforcement is that much of an important issue to anyone. I’ll believe that you now believe it’s a critical issue for you but I also believe that if I’d asked you yesterday you’d have treated me like I was mad. Trump says it and his supporters bleat along.
I already know how to remove the flow restrictors in my preferred shower head so I'm all set. It's kind of odd to argue that the rule change is insignificant if Obama felt compelled to make the rule in the first place, then Trump reversed it, and then Biden reversed it again. Seems more like you just got caught by assuming Trump didn't do anything to address his complaint so you had to shift the goalpost to "well he didn't do enough to address it."
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On June 26 2024 05:08 oBlade wrote:
The fact that Trump talked about an issue you didn't previously know about for 60 seconds isn't "weird" just because you're working in a framework where the standard is politicians who don't or can't speak constantly. The fact that you didn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anybody. Nor does it make it a make or break issue, a do or die issue, or even a critical issue. Nor does talking about it detract in any way from bigger issues, as Trump is not on some kind of time limit when he only gets 60 seconds to communicate his entire agenda and make his case on the campaign. Nobody has any confusion about Trump's views on issues like immigration, crime, SCOTUS, the economy, and foreign policy. Things which he also talks about constantly. And which he also talked about in the about hour and a half actual speech, if you care to reference it, where that excerpt came from, including other issues such as education, minority communities, and whether to call Joe Biden "Crooked" vs. "Sleepy."
What you should be asking is not "Look it's a big cult" but "What does this person have that's able to animate and motivate, sway and lead huge groups of people?"
I think that the people agreeing that it’s an issue also didn’t know that it was an issue until a few minutes ago. I think we have that in common. Where we divided was in how we reacted to hearing a 78 year old man complaining that showers were wetter back in his day. It’s objectively weird in a way that deserves calling out.
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On June 26 2024 05:12 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2024 04:19 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 04:12 BlackJack wrote:On June 26 2024 00:47 KwarK wrote:On June 26 2024 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 26 2024 00:14 KwarK wrote:On June 25 2024 16:18 BlackJack wrote:On June 25 2024 15:22 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2024 15:08 KwarK wrote:Trump on the campaign trail continues to be remarkable. No water in your faucets. You ever try buying a new home and you turn on. You want to wash your hair or you wanna wash your hands. You turn on the water and it goes drip, drip the soap. You can't get it off your hand. So you keep it running for about 10 times longer. You trying, the worst is your hair. I have this beautiful luxuriant hair and I put stuff on. I put it in lather. I like lots of lather because I like it to come out extremely dry because it seems to be slightly thicker that way. And I lather up and then you turn on this crazy shower and the thing drip, drip and you say I'm gonna be here for 45 minutes. What? There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. But, now their idea, you know, did you see the other day? They just, I opened it up and they closed it again. I opened it, they close it, washing machines to wash your dishes. There is a problem. They don't want you to have any water. They want no water. What Kwark? That never happened to you? You buy a new house and the water is turned off, and you need politicians to fix that because you don't know where the water main is? + Show Spoiler +Not to mention, you soap up regardless, because FREEDOM! And only get really upset when you can't rinse the soap off your beautiful dry, brittle combover! I mean, MAKE WATER MAINS GREAT AGAIN! I bet you Trump's properties don't even HAVE water mains, that's how great they are! He's obviously ranting about flow restrictors. Kwark's fake quote seems to selectively edit out all the mentions of that. It also deletes other words and sentences entirely to make it seem incoherent. A good reminder that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet. I'm in 100% agreement with him on this. The first thing I do when I buy a shower head is figure out how to remove the flow restrictor. My shower could peel the flesh off your bones and it's amazing. Nobody wants to take a shower where the water comes dripping out like it's coming from an old man with prostate issues. Ignoring that I quoted it verbatim from the source I read it’s just not an issue that people face. + Show Spoiler +
If you’re dealing with an abnormally low amount of water from your shower then you’re likely in one of three scenarios.
1. You bought an energy efficient shower head. It’s doing the thing you bought it to do.
2. You’re in a hotel that bought energy efficient shower heads. They do that because at hotel scales hot water loss is expensive. Stay at a different hotel or put up with it.
3. You’re in a city that has such water shortages that not everyone can have super wasteful showers and they passed a city ordinance mandating a lower flow rate. That isn’t big government stopping you from having a good time, that’s insufficient water stopping you from having a good time. Without big government there still wouldn’t be enough water.
Also there’s no policy suggestion there. He’s not campaigning on anything. He’s not pledging to undo water restrictions in his first 90 days in office. He’s just talking about them. That’s a weird thing to do while campaigning. Also wasn’t Trump in the government at some point? Why didn’t he change this? Is he in the pocket of little water? I assume that's also part of why you didn't include the source. You can watch the video and see they misquote him within the first few lines in both examples. Don't even have to click the "show more" thing. It takes longer to read the misleading quotes you posted than to check and notice they're purposely deceitful. As for the policy, he's specifically talking about a rule he changed and Biden changed back. Why didn’t Trump scrap the 2.5gal standard altogether? If I’m following in 1992 2.5gpm was created as a standard. Then some people came up with a loophole of putting a bunch of 2.5gpm nozzles side by side and saying that because each was 2.5gpm then it was a 2.5gpm system. Then Obama said that clearly the intent was that the 2.5gpm system delivers 2.5gpm and if it’s delivering 10gpm then it’s not a 2.5gpm system. Then Trump said that actually it is. Then Biden said it isn’t. Obama and Biden are very obviously in the right there. Not because 2.5gpm is inherently good, I don’t know and don’t care, but because 2.5gpm is inherently 2.5gpm. If you don’t like 2.5gpm then change that, don’t pretend 10 is 2.5. But why would Trump not simply end the 2.5gpm standard. He was in government. That would do far more for Pennsylvanians than legislating that a full auto Gatling cannon style shower with multiple 2.5gpm heads be regulated on a per nozzle standard. How many of his blue collar voters got shower remodels and now live in fear of the 2.5gpm gestapo raiding them? Is this a real issue and if so, is this a real fix for that issue? Also, as an American suffering under the 2.5gpm standard, I have not found myself all lathered up and unable to rinse. This is a very weird culture war issue to be bringing up on campaign. If I were walking away from a Trump rally feeling energized about what Trump was planning to do for me then I can’t imagine this would be the one I was sold on. As an American who was alive during the previous Trump full auto shower nozzle era I can’t say that I actually noticed it or bought one. Gotta chalk this one up to Trump derangement syndrome. You said that if you have a shower head with low pressure it's either because you bought one, the hotel you're staying at bought one, or the city passed an ordinance to preserve water. Turns out the issue was actually the federal government requiring it universally whether the area of the country had water issues or not. In fact Trump specifically mentioned this in his rant. For example he said this: They put restrictors and they put them on in places like here where you have so much water you don't know what to do with it. You know it's called rain and it rains a lot in certain places. And the partisans you got the quote from changed it to: There's so much water. You don't know what to do with it. You know, it's called rain. It rains a lot in certain places. So contrary to what you said, we could reasonably conclude that this is "big government" from stopping you from having a good time since this is the federal government passing a regulation for every jurisdiction. But then you said well why didn't Trump do something about it when he was in office. GH showed you that he literally did change the rule to allow for more than 2.5 gallons per minute. But you still nitpick at the way he changed the rule saying he should have done it better or a different way. Or you rant about this not mattering to people even though I already said it's important to me. When I book a hotel I check the reviews and literally do a control + f to search for any mentions of water pressure, that's how important it is to me. Is this the most important issue of our time? Not really. But it's also just a 60 second rant out of the hundreds of hours Trump spends ranting to the cameras. Apparently it also had to be deceitfully edited to make it seem more incoherent. You incorrectly assumed this was city ordinances leading to this problem, you incorrectly assumed that Trump didn't do anything to address it, and you incorrectly assumed that people don't care about this. As a result, your rant about Trump's rant seems more ridiculous than Trump's rant. Trump kept the original restriction in place but opened up a loophole so that you could essentially run multiple parallel showerheads that each individually complied with the limit but collectively broke it. I’m now learning this loophole, but not the original restriction which he left intact, is surprisingly important to you. During the Trump multi nozzle full auto showerhead enforcement hold did you opt to install a multi nozzle showerhead in your home? Because if not I simply do not believe that this is an important issue to you. I genuinely don’t think showerhead bump stock code enforcement is that much of an important issue to anyone. I’ll believe that you now believe it’s a critical issue for you but I also believe that if I’d asked you yesterday you’d have treated me like I was mad. Trump says it and his supporters bleat along. I already know how to remove the flow restrictors in my preferred shower head so I'm all set. It's kind of odd to argue that the rule change is insignificant if Obama felt compelled to make the rule in the first place, then Trump reversed it, and then Biden reversed it again. Seems more like you just got caught by assuming Trump didn't do anything to address his complaint so you had to shift the goalpost to "well he didn't do enough to address it."
Obama didn’t make the rule, it’s from 1992. Obama’s EPA clarified that making an array of parallel systems didn’t allow you to bypass the 1992 rule which to me is obvious to the point of absurdity. If there was a 10 ton weight limit of a bridge and a 20 ton vehicle claimed that it was two 10 ton vehicles in a vertically stacked alignment you’d surely agree. But this is all nonsense anyway.
This is an old man complaining that showers used to be wetter back in his day. He’s not promising to bring back wet showers. He’s not promising to rein in the 2.5gpm gestapo that normal moist Americans live in fear of. He’s just saying that showers used to be wetter and now they’re dryer to an adoring crowd (and audience on TL) who suddenly instantly buy in to this idea that they’ve been dry (or a shower criminal like you) since 1992.
It’s really weird. They didn’t know that they’ve been dry for years but now they believe it. There’s this immediate mass delusion that showers are dry now among people who have not previously noticed this.
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Showers used to be higher flow (we have known about this since Seinfeld), low flow toilets (King of the Hill), also just automatic toilets are meant to save water, pickup trucks are now bigger due to being engine/emission restricted by their size causing them to be obnoxious eyesores to hold the same engines they'd have 25 years ago, top loading washing machines that just fill with water each cycle are rare compared to "eco friendly" ones. If you haven't noticed the wonderful efficiency of government regulation and the issue Trump and the original limited government right, and libertarians, have made of cutting it, well, spend less time analyzing how Trump's sentence structure gives you the ick? Because in one page you've gone from, lol look at this doddering old fool, to don't people know Biden is the one who actually made water great again?
Oh It's summer lest I forget air conditioner throttling.
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On June 26 2024 05:33 oBlade wrote:
Showers used to be higher flow (we have known about this since Seinfeld), low flow toilets (King of the Hill), also just automatic toilets are meant to save water, pickup trucks are now bigger due to being engine/emission restricted by their size causing them to be obnoxious eyesores to hold the same engines they'd have 25 years ago, top loading washing machines that just fill with water each cycle are rare compared to "eco friendly" ones. If you haven't noticed the wonderful efficiency of government regulation and the issue Trump and the original limited government right, and libertarians, have made of cutting it, well, spend less time analyzing how Trump's sentence structure gives you the ick? Because in one page you've gone from, lol look at this doddering old fool, to don't people know Biden is the one who actually made water great again?
Oh It's summer lest I forget air conditioner throttling.
It's telling that you cite "King of the Hill" and not "I haven't been able to flush my shits since the late 90s" imo
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