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On February 26 2024 13:18 BlackJack wrote:
Anyone use any online gambling sites? I would put some money on Biden at +225. I’d take Nikki Haley at +2000 and Gavin Newsom at +1100 too just in case these old guys have a medical event sometime soon
The outside shot of both candidates dying is tempting enough at those odds. At that point though newsom has been much more with the biden campaign than haley with trump. You could see the campaign for the dems switch over pretty smoothly. I'm going to throw a lottery ticket at both the secondary candidates all the same.
I again think that the sotu will be buge to set the tone going forward. The deadline for a government shutdown is coming fast and the house gop is in a no win situation. No one knows how close the gop caucus is from genuine fracturing but there is no way I can see the speaker can move forward. It will look so bad and be the tone defining moment for the campaign if the government shuts down. Not getting aid for isreal and Ukraine is also something moderates can campaign on. But the far right seems dead set to get their shutdown or they will shove the house into fresh elections. Rumors of another ceasefire are going around and biden needs to prevent the final offensive the Israelis want or things will get worse. The state of the union is the time and place for massive gambles for biden and I hope he will throw the dice.
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On February 27 2024 04:02 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2024 03:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 27 2024 02:46 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2024 02:12 JimmiC wrote:There has been lots talk about how Biden is not doing great for the Dems but this article goes into detail about how poorly Trump is actually doing in his primaries. And how the MSM is not covering that the way they would if Biden was barely getting 60% of the votes. A party incumbent who’s running for reelection has a huge advantage over anyone who might want to challenge him. He’s not only the head of the party; he has control over the party machinery.
That Trump has done as badly notwithstanding is (or should be) the big news. In the New Hampshire primary, Trump got 54.3 percent of the vote; Haley, 43.2 percent. In Iowa, Trump got just 56,260 votes. There are 2,083,979 registered voters in Iowa. Hence, fewer than 3 percent of Iowans voted for him. And according to AP VoteCast, a bit over 1 in 5 Republican primary voters in South Carolina said they would not vote for Trump in November if he is the party’s nominee https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/look-closer-trump-s-reelection-campaign-is-in-dire-straits-opinion/ar-BB1iTYqi?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c1d1d2264b874ae9a6377bb9f6b0228e&ei=8 That may be true, but just emphasizes how pathetic both parties are. It's really miserable that the choice for almost everyone is to stay home, or hold their nose and vote for someone they are very far from enthusiastic about. And let's face it, Trump's core of fanatic MAGAs are more numerous and louder than people who really like Biden (e.g. DPB). Given that I'm your example for someone really liking Biden, I'm also happy to say that I don't think he's God's gift to mankind. I think he's done a pretty good job as president, as I've outlined in the past, but I definitely don't own memorabilia or bumper stickers or lawn signs with his face or name on it. I'm simply impressed with how much he's managed to accomplish, despite a conservative Supreme Court sometimes ruling against him and Congressional Republicans absolutely hating him. Of course, there's definitely still a lot more I would have loved to see from him, and maybe he can get more done next term. He's probably a decent human being too, whereas Trump is definitely a piece of... non-decent-human-being. I definitely agree with you that Trump supporters are essentially cultists, and such a thing really doesn't exist for Biden. My read was that this is the point! I don't think it was meant as a dig at you. You did your research and found info and your conclusion was a "Hey, actually..." and a lukewarm thumbs-up for Biden. That's legitimately probably the most enthusiastic support we've seen for Biden, and I'd hope that says a lot more about Biden than it does you. It also doesn't bode well as a driving force for voters.
I didn't read it as a dig; I just wanted to elaborate and voice my agreement 
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From the article in Magic's post in the Palestine thread about an active duty member of the US Air Force that self immolated in protest of Israel's campaign of genocide against Palestinians and the US's complicity in it:
"Many of us like to ask ourselves, 'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?'," the post read. "The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now."
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On February 27 2024 04:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2024 02:46 Acrofales wrote:On February 27 2024 02:12 JimmiC wrote:There has been lots talk about how Biden is not doing great for the Dems but this article goes into detail about how poorly Trump is actually doing in his primaries. And how the MSM is not covering that the way they would if Biden was barely getting 60% of the votes. A party incumbent who’s running for reelection has a huge advantage over anyone who might want to challenge him. He’s not only the head of the party; he has control over the party machinery.
That Trump has done as badly notwithstanding is (or should be) the big news. In the New Hampshire primary, Trump got 54.3 percent of the vote; Haley, 43.2 percent. In Iowa, Trump got just 56,260 votes. There are 2,083,979 registered voters in Iowa. Hence, fewer than 3 percent of Iowans voted for him. And according to AP VoteCast, a bit over 1 in 5 Republican primary voters in South Carolina said they would not vote for Trump in November if he is the party’s nominee https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/look-closer-trump-s-reelection-campaign-is-in-dire-straits-opinion/ar-BB1iTYqi?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c1d1d2264b874ae9a6377bb9f6b0228e&ei=8 That may be true, but just emphasizes how pathetic both parties are. It's really miserable that the choice for almost everyone is to stay home, or hold their nose and vote for someone they are very far from enthusiastic about. And let's face it, Trump's core of fanatic MAGAs are more numerous and louder than people who really like Biden (e.g. DPB). Trump isn't doing poorly (electorally speaking anyway). The opinion piece is thick with copium. A cursory look at those primaries tells you Trump got a larger share and more votes than any Republican has before in those primaries/caucus (including himself when he won the presidency). 538 did a podcast where the host tries to make some of these points and pretty much gets shut down and laughed at. ~10:00 and ~14:00 are where you'll see what I'm talking about. abcnews.go.com Because Trump is effectively running unopposed. Normally there is a contest still going on.
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If I was alive during Jim Crow south I definitely would have self-immolated in protest
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United States43435 Posts
On February 27 2024 22:51 JimmiC wrote:
My understanding of the US aid to Ukraine is that the package is actually to backfill stuff they already have to send. What if Biden just sent what they had? It would be a high risk move but it would really pressure congress not to leave the US short on supplies.
There’s a question of whether he has the power to order the army to turn over stocks without congressional approval. He could do it anyway of course, as commander in chief, but where possible working within the rules is better. They could always just load shells onto a truck and leave them by the border and if Ukrainians happen to steal them then so be it.
Biden tends not to play dirty though, even when it is required. We saw that when he didn’t expand SCOTUS.
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United States43435 Posts
I agree, I wish Biden was half as bold as Fox News claims he is. Expand SCOTUS, establish a Federal investigation into the attempts to overturn the election, both at a Federal and State level (as state officials participated in the conspiracy), and arrest the participants. The failure of their conspiracy largely came down to a minority of Republican officials who, when push came to shove, put country over party. The Republicans are replacing those officials with loyalists and using buyin to election fraud as a screening criteria.
They’re open about their intent to try again, if Biden wins another legitimate victory they have no intention of accepting it. It is an existential threat to the United States and must be treated as such. Had the Georgia Secretary of State been a party loyalist and muddied the waters the Republicans were absolutely prepared to use fake electors and their stacked Supreme Court of corrupt bribe takers. 2021 came down to a few individual decisions.
Biden is allowing them a do over in the hope that it won’t come to that. It’s too important to trust to hope. We’re in “maybe the cancer will get better on its own” territory because Biden doesn’t have the guts for chemo.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On February 28 2024 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
Pretty depressing. I keep expecting all the Republicans who supported McCain, Romney and so on will snap out of it and realize they lost their party. But I'm certain that is not happening. Winning for the "Republicans" regardless of what that stands for seems to be what matters.
As someone who has previously stated I am a Fiscal Conservative and Social Libertarian from Jacksonville, Fl, I am registered Republican. I have never voted for a Republican or Democratic President. I haven't felt there was a President of the two major parties that represented me well. However, if it truly comes down to Biden/Trump again, I'm going to vote for Biden. It's amazing that Republicans truly believe no one else can be greater then Trump. There are some of us out there, like my wife and I, that don't believe winning regardless is all that matters.
Edit: recap of my voting past
* Voted against DeSantis in primary
* Voted for him in general (Over a dem who promised a state tax and then after losing was found in a bed full of drugs and hookers lol)
* Voted for our Democrat Mayor (Over a republican who had hands tied to dirty money involved our local utilities company. Literally mind blown how the people of our party primaried him)
Fun times in Florida!
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On February 28 2024 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2024 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
Pretty depressing. I keep expecting all the Republicans who supported McCain, Romney and so on will snap out of it and realize they lost their party. But I'm certain that is not happening. Winning for the "Republicans" regardless of what that stands for seems to be what matters. As someone who has previously stated I am a Fiscal Conservative and Social Libertarian from Jacksonville, Fl, I am registered Republican. I have never voted for a Republican or Democratic President. I haven't felt there was a President of the two major parties that represented me well. However, if it truly comes down to Biden/Trump again, I'm going to vote for Biden. It's amazing that Republicans truly believe no one else can be greater than Trump. There are some of us out there, like my wife and I, that don't believe winning regardless is all that matters. Edit: recap of my voting past * Voted against DeSantis in primary * Voted for him in general (Over a dem who promised a state tax and then after losing was found in a bed full of drugs and hookers lol) * Voted for our Democrat Mayor (Over a republican who had hands tied to dirty money involved our local utilities company. Literally mind blown how the people of our party primaried him) Fun times in Florida!
Welcome to being actually left wing these days! I feel your pain if not the particulars.
You’re as homeless as us really, in the US context anyway.
There simply is no good option once we get to nitty gritty national level elections for someone of your sensibilities.
The salty part of me will whinge that you’re much less shamed for your vote or lack thereof than someone of my leaning not getting in line, but it’s not really overly relevant.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On February 28 2024 02:58 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2024 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:On February 28 2024 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
Pretty depressing. I keep expecting all the Republicans who supported McCain, Romney and so on will snap out of it and realize they lost their party. But I'm certain that is not happening. Winning for the "Republicans" regardless of what that stands for seems to be what matters. As someone who has previously stated I am a Fiscal Conservative and Social Libertarian from Jacksonville, Fl, I am registered Republican. I have never voted for a Republican or Democratic President. I haven't felt there was a President of the two major parties that represented me well. However, if it truly comes down to Biden/Trump again, I'm going to vote for Biden. It's amazing that Republicans truly believe no one else can be greater than Trump. There are some of us out there, like my wife and I, that don't believe winning regardless is all that matters. Edit: recap of my voting past * Voted against DeSantis in primary * Voted for him in general (Over a dem who promised a state tax and then after losing was found in a bed full of drugs and hookers lol) * Voted for our Democrat Mayor (Over a republican who had hands tied to dirty money involved our local utilities company. Literally mind blown how the people of our party primaried him) Fun times in Florida! Welcome to being actually left wing these days! I feel your pain if not the particulars. You’re as homeless as us really, in the US context anyway. There simply is no good option once we get to nitty gritty national level elections for someone of your sensibilities. The salty part of me will whinge that you’re much less shamed for your vote or lack thereof than someone of my leaning not getting in line, but it’s not really overly relevant.
Yup, political homelessness 2024 woot! I’d drop my party if primaries weren’t so important to my state. And who I vote for locally generally has a bigger impact on my life.
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On February 28 2024 03:06 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2024 02:58 WombaT wrote:On February 28 2024 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:On February 28 2024 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
Pretty depressing. I keep expecting all the Republicans who supported McCain, Romney and so on will snap out of it and realize they lost their party. But I'm certain that is not happening. Winning for the "Republicans" regardless of what that stands for seems to be what matters. As someone who has previously stated I am a Fiscal Conservative and Social Libertarian from Jacksonville, Fl, I am registered Republican. I have never voted for a Republican or Democratic President. I haven't felt there was a President of the two major parties that represented me well. However, if it truly comes down to Biden/Trump again, I'm going to vote for Biden. It's amazing that Republicans truly believe no one else can be greater than Trump. There are some of us out there, like my wife and I, that don't believe winning regardless is all that matters. Edit: recap of my voting past * Voted against DeSantis in primary * Voted for him in general (Over a dem who promised a state tax and then after losing was found in a bed full of drugs and hookers lol) * Voted for our Democrat Mayor (Over a republican who had hands tied to dirty money involved our local utilities company. Literally mind blown how the people of our party primaried him) Fun times in Florida! Welcome to being actually left wing these days! I feel your pain if not the particulars. You’re as homeless as us really, in the US context anyway. There simply is no good option once we get to nitty gritty national level elections for someone of your sensibilities. The salty part of me will whinge that you’re much less shamed for your vote or lack thereof than someone of my leaning not getting in line, but it’s not really overly relevant. Yup, political homelessness 2024 woot! I’d drop my party if primaries weren’t so important to my state. And who I vote for locally generally has a bigger impact on my life.
Agreed, local politics has a way bigger impact on daily life. I often spend more time than I should opining on local politics despite this being a largely international forum that can’t really relate. I’ve never voted for either major party for President and I have no intention of starting this election. If someone put a gun to my head and said I had to vote for Trump or Biden I would probably vote for Biden, not because I think he is capable of the job or because he would be better than Trump but mostly because it would be my small effort to deliver some blowback for overturning Roe.
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Bisutopia19300 Posts
On February 28 2024 04:58 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2024 03:06 BisuDagger wrote:On February 28 2024 02:58 WombaT wrote:On February 28 2024 02:38 BisuDagger wrote:On February 28 2024 02:07 JimmiC wrote:
Pretty depressing. I keep expecting all the Republicans who supported McCain, Romney and so on will snap out of it and realize they lost their party. But I'm certain that is not happening. Winning for the "Republicans" regardless of what that stands for seems to be what matters. As someone who has previously stated I am a Fiscal Conservative and Social Libertarian from Jacksonville, Fl, I am registered Republican. I have never voted for a Republican or Democratic President. I haven't felt there was a President of the two major parties that represented me well. However, if it truly comes down to Biden/Trump again, I'm going to vote for Biden. It's amazing that Republicans truly believe no one else can be greater than Trump. There are some of us out there, like my wife and I, that don't believe winning regardless is all that matters. Edit: recap of my voting past * Voted against DeSantis in primary * Voted for him in general (Over a dem who promised a state tax and then after losing was found in a bed full of drugs and hookers lol) * Voted for our Democrat Mayor (Over a republican who had hands tied to dirty money involved our local utilities company. Literally mind blown how the people of our party primaried him) Fun times in Florida! Welcome to being actually left wing these days! I feel your pain if not the particulars. You’re as homeless as us really, in the US context anyway. There simply is no good option once we get to nitty gritty national level elections for someone of your sensibilities. The salty part of me will whinge that you’re much less shamed for your vote or lack thereof than someone of my leaning not getting in line, but it’s not really overly relevant. Yup, political homelessness 2024 woot! I’d drop my party if primaries weren’t so important to my state. And who I vote for locally generally has a bigger impact on my life. Agreed, local politics has a way bigger impact on daily life. I often spend more time than I should opining on local politics despite this being a largely international forum that can’t really relate. I’ve never voted for either major party for President and I have no intention of starting this election. If someone put a gun to my head and said I had to vote for Trump or Biden I would probably vote for Biden, not because I think he is capable of the job or because he would be better than Trump but mostly because it would be my small effort to deliver some blowback for overturning Roe.
Spot on. I don’t believe in abortions, but am not willing to put my beliefs over others and their freedom of choice. Turning over Roe has been really bad for the health of our country.
As far as voting president, I will vote for Biden because I think Trump being president really does hurt certain communities and the mental well being of some individuals to a sever degree. Even if I don’t agree with all of the reactions, I don’t think the person we trust to run this country and maintain world order should be someone who has this affect on individuals.
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United States43435 Posts
Trump’s bag man successfully got Trump to sign an order that he wrote closing all military bases in Germany and withdrawing US forces. We should have a president that can’t be talked into upending 70 years of US foreign policy by the guy who carries his snacks.
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Honestly 'Russian national hackers release documents that remove trump from the ballot' seems like an awful outcome. Surely that'd galvanize some of the bullshit trump peddles and make him a martyr.
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