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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 28 2024 19:50 GMT
#83041
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2746 Posts
February 28 2024 19:57 GMT
#83042
Sure. They should pay them ten canadian dollars, because that bill is purple and when I fold it up it makes me laugh.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22418 Posts
February 28 2024 20:06 GMT
#83043
On February 29 2024 04:50 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2024 04:01 JimmiC wrote:
Well this is spicy. The hackers that broke into the Atlanta court records are threatening to release Trump docs that could impact the election if they are not paid.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/hackers-threaten-release-trump-documents-180944749.html


Honestly 'Russian national hackers release documents that remove trump from the ballot' seems like an awful outcome. Surely that'd galvanize some of the bullshit trump peddles and make him a martyr.
"See, see there is evidence that this is all a witch hunt that the Democrats are hiding".

Obv there is no such evidence and these hackers can't release it because it doesn't exist, but that will be the narrative that this feeds.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
February 28 2024 20:10 GMT
#83044
McConnell is finally retiring after this term!

"McConnell said he plans to serve out his Senate term, which ends in January 2027"

https://apnews.com/article/mitch-mcconnell-senate-republican-leader-stepping-down-ba478d570a4561aa7baf91a204d7e366
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44060 Posts
February 28 2024 20:25 GMT
#83045
His work in destroying America is finally done?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
February 28 2024 20:46 GMT
#83046
On February 29 2024 05:25 KwarK wrote:
His work in destroying America is finally done?


In 3 years, yep!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 28 2024 20:50 GMT
#83047
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
February 28 2024 20:59 GMT
#83048
On February 29 2024 05:50 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2024 05:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 29 2024 05:25 KwarK wrote:
His work in destroying America is finally done?


In 3 years, yep!

Or sooner.


Thoughts and prayers on that happening.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24025 Posts
February 28 2024 21:01 GMT
#83049
President Joe Biden, who has had a productive working relationship with McConnell, said he was sorry to hear the news.

“I’ve trusted him and we have a great relationship,” the Democratic president said. “We fight like hell. But he has never, never, never misrepresented anything.”


Wonder if this is the kind of stuff he was saying to Obama while he was VP?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 28 2024 21:13 GMT
#83050
On February 29 2024 05:25 KwarK wrote:
His work in destroying America is finally done?


As far as he can remember.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2746 Posts
February 28 2024 23:01 GMT
#83051
On February 29 2024 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2024 04:50 Fleetfeet wrote:
On February 29 2024 04:01 JimmiC wrote:
Well this is spicy. The hackers that broke into the Atlanta court records are threatening to release Trump docs that could impact the election if they are not paid.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/hackers-threaten-release-trump-documents-180944749.html


Honestly 'Russian national hackers release documents that remove trump from the ballot' seems like an awful outcome. Surely that'd galvanize some of the bullshit trump peddles and make him a martyr.
"See, see there is evidence that this is all a witch hunt that the Democrats are hiding".

Obv there is no such evidence and these hackers can't release it because it doesn't exist, but that will be the narrative that this feeds.


Exactly. This kind of narrative will be pushed regardless of any circumstance, but I do think it's harmful if Trump is 'taken down' by foreign influence, as such a situation muddies the waters and means a wider group of conspiratists would be willing to believe it.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
February 28 2024 23:27 GMT
#83052
On February 29 2024 08:01 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2024 05:06 Gorsameth wrote:
On February 29 2024 04:50 Fleetfeet wrote:
On February 29 2024 04:01 JimmiC wrote:
Well this is spicy. The hackers that broke into the Atlanta court records are threatening to release Trump docs that could impact the election if they are not paid.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/hackers-threaten-release-trump-documents-180944749.html


Honestly 'Russian national hackers release documents that remove trump from the ballot' seems like an awful outcome. Surely that'd galvanize some of the bullshit trump peddles and make him a martyr.
"See, see there is evidence that this is all a witch hunt that the Democrats are hiding".

Obv there is no such evidence and these hackers can't release it because it doesn't exist, but that will be the narrative that this feeds.


Exactly. This kind of narrative will be pushed regardless of any circumstance, but I do think it's harmful if Trump is 'taken down' by foreign influence, as such a situation muddies the waters and means a wider group of conspiratists would be willing to believe it.


Agreed. I'd much rather have Trump lose the election due to more Americans suddenly realizing he shouldn't be president again, and therefore not voting for him in November.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 28 2024 23:59 GMT
#83053
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2746 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-29 02:29:02
February 29 2024 01:34 GMT
#83054
On February 29 2024 08:59 JimmiC wrote:
But if there is information that would disqualify Trump in the mind of voters, is that information that morally they should get to see? And then considering all that we know and it hasn't disqualified him in the minds of people, would it? Or is it really that bad.


Depends how you interpret 'could impact the election' tbh. It's a threat from a bad actor that apparently just wants money, so they'll be interested in claiming the information they stole is valuable. "Could impact your election" is a hostage threat on the level of "It might be your son we have hostage" except your son is digital so you can't verify they actually don't have your son.

We on the outside don't know what they have or what they're asking for. I don't believe it's just 'stuff that makes trump look bad' that they have (if anything), because trump gives that away for free. For all we know, it could be data either real or manufactured that makes it look like dems are fabricating evidence for one of Trump's cases. 'could impact the election' is EXTREMELY vague.

Also, Trump got away with not revealing his financials as president and that wasn't damning. He's also recently been charged of (correction - Kwark is right, sentenced for*)some big ol' fraud. I don't know what anyone could have at this point that would change the mind of diehard trump fans tbh.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44060 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-29 02:24:08
February 29 2024 02:21 GMT
#83055
Not charged with fraud, sentenced for the fraud. Charged with fraud was like 2 years ago or 5 years ago or any other date in the last 20 years. Sentenced has only been a handful of times, Trump U, stealing from the cancer charity, and the financial statement fraud with fabricated collateral for loans off the top of my head. But it’s important to note that he definitely did this one, it’s legally settled, it’s not just charged, they ruled on it 6 months ago and then gave him the fine last month.

Also the fine was mostly just handing back his ill gotten gains, it was imputed interest derived from the terms he got vs what he would have gotten had he not lied. That wasn’t the judge pulling hundreds of millions out of the air, the state’s expert presented the math on it and Trump’s legal team didn’t contest it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-29 04:15:36
February 29 2024 04:14 GMT
#83056
Yeah some of these verdicts have already been decided (by both juries and judges) in civil court. Trump committed fraud; that's already been established. Trump committed sexual assault; that's already been established. Trump committed defamation; that's already been established. And then there are 91 criminal charges, for which it's extremely, extremely, extremely likely that he'll be found guilty of at least some of them.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22418 Posts
March 04 2024 16:07 GMT
#83057
In a move that shouldn't come as a shock, SCOTUS rules that States can't remove candidates from a ballet because they feel like it, and its up to Congress to enforce the 14th amendment.

Trump will be on the ballot.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rules-trump-cannot-kicked-colorado-ballot-rcna132291
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
March 04 2024 17:22 GMT
#83058
Regardless of which party you support, this thing going through would've been insane.
It's insane they ruled like this in the first place.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46060 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-04 21:12:52
March 04 2024 19:41 GMT
#83059
Edit: Never mind.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-03-04 23:23:13
March 04 2024 23:22 GMT
#83060
i don’t strongly disagree with the opinion but a very strong rationale for a lot of republican politics is states rights.

of which, running the election is one of them. i think insane is a bit beyond the pale.
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