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Fleetfeet
Canada2707 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26742 Posts
On January 24 2024 09:36 Fleetfeet wrote: I'm just fucking confused because I'm pretty clear about both parties doing it and neither party being trustworthy enough to self-govern. Somehow, we still ended up with DEM ECHO CHAMBER and DEM ARE HYPOCRITES. Are you genuinely confused at this point? I thought we’d be used to it :p Wonder which PBU graced us with their presence this time for these delightfully insightful interactions. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2707 Posts
Like we misunderstand each other all the time, but that's driven from at least putting some effort into trying to understand in the first place. That dude just went straight for the agenda-driven messaging, like a drunk driver clearing a red light at 120kph. Confusing. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14110 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
On January 24 2024 12:51 Sermokala wrote: New Hampshire looking bleak for Trump. The voting blocks in the primary split really hard on the question of if the gop voter believes that biden won legitimately. You need to build a big tent to win a general and that's not the message maga is sending. What do you mean? Trump won the NH primary. Do you mean that Biden might win NH in the general election (again, like in 2020)? Also, NH isn't really representative of the country in terms of Trump support. Haley did better than expected, and maybe she'll do decently well in her state of South Carolina too, but keep in mind even DeSantis quit and he was doing better than Haley. Unless Trump dies, becomes ineligible, or for some reason decides to quit the primary, he's going to win the Republican nomination. And it'll end up being a coinflip, again, as to whether Biden or Trump wins the general election. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism 6:49 - Education 23:06 - Trump vs Biden 43:31 - Foreign policy 56:28 - Israel-Palestine 1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine 1:23:04 - January 6 1:39:03 - Abuse of power 1:49:01 - Wokeism 1:55:42 - Institutional capture 2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships 2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10880 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14110 Posts
On January 24 2024 13:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What do you mean? Trump won the NH primary. Do you mean that Biden might win NH in the general election (again, like in 2020)? Also, NH isn't really representative of the country in terms of Trump support. Haley did better than expected, and maybe she'll do decently well in her state of South Carolina too, but keep in mind even DeSantis quit and he was doing better than Haley. Unless Trump dies, becomes ineligible, or for some reason decides to quit the primary, he's going to win the Republican nomination. And it'll end up being a coinflip, again, as to whether Biden or Trump wins the general election. People across the nation aren't as radically different as you're lead to believe. Trends in one state can speak to another. I'm not talking about trump losing the primary but the splits of people who came to to not vote for him are speaking to a general weakness. Gop voters are tired in interviews of him losing so much and some believe that Joe biden won the election or that they don't want trump. Biden smashed the primary with no splits like that on a write in campaign. The whole core of the thread is to talk about us politics, dismissing it as a coin flip is really ignorant. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On January 24 2024 20:30 BlackJack wrote: If anyone is interested in a "Right vs Left" debate, Lex Fridman had Ben Shapiro and Destiny on his podcast to discuss a range of issue. It was super well-mannered and respectful with neither talking over each other. There's quite a bit of agreement between the two on almost every issue, which is not terribly surprising, Shapiro is not a big fan of Trump and Destiny is somewhat of a moderate without much woke tendencies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYrdMjVXyNg OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism 6:49 - Education 23:06 - Trump vs Biden 43:31 - Foreign policy 56:28 - Israel-Palestine 1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine 1:23:04 - January 6 1:39:03 - Abuse of power 1:49:01 - Wokeism 1:55:42 - Institutional capture 2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships 2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions Is this the same Destiny who played SC2? lol that's crazy if it is | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
On January 25 2024 08:15 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Is this the same Destiny who played SC2? lol that's crazy if it is Yeah, he's one of the OG political streamers, has been for years. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45762 Posts
On January 25 2024 07:31 Sermokala wrote: People across the nation aren't as radically different as you're lead to believe. Trends in one state can speak to another. I'm not talking about trump losing the primary but the splits of people who came to to not vote for him are speaking to a general weakness. Gop voters are tired in interviews of him losing so much and some believe that Joe biden won the election or that they don't want trump. Biden smashed the primary with no splits like that on a write in campaign. The whole core of the thread is to talk about us politics, dismissing it as a coin flip is really ignorant. New Hampshire is a special case, because their primary is different: you don't need to be registered as / affiliated with a party to vote in the primary. Independent voters make up ~40% of their voting population, and there's a good chance that many of them came out to vote against Trump, even though they're not Republicans (and thus don't represent how Republican voters feel towards Trump). New Hampshire is also not really a bellwether state; I think you're extrapolating too much from that primary. Keep in mind that Trump also kicked everyone's butt in Iowa, but that state alone still doesn't necessarily represent the big picture. It's much more useful to look at the polls (and, eventually, primary results) across all the states if we want to see general trends... and the general trends I see are: 1. Trump has/had roughly 2/3 Republican support when up against other Republicans in the primary (and that's just within the party, and doesn't account for the Republicans who initially would *prefer* a non-Trump Republican, but will eventually fall in line and vote for Trump in the general election, once their non-Trump preferred candidate loses the primary); 2. The early Biden vs. Trump polls still have them neck-and-neck, which is a very similar set-up to last election (which ultimately ended up being a coinflip). I'm not "dismissing" the election as a coinflip; I'm saying that the popularity and potential voter turnout for both sides is probably going to be very close again. And maybe that will change in 6 months, but as of right now, neither side should have any overwhelming confidence that they'll be winning in a landslide. Also, the opinion that the 2024 election will be close isn't stopping anyone from having a discussion in this thread; I'm allowed to disagree with your take, and you're still allowed to respond and/or agree or disagree with me  Would you mind elaborating on your first sentence (I'm not really sure what it was in response to, or what you meant by it). You had written "People across the nation aren't as radically different as you're lead to believe." | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On January 25 2024 08:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah, he's one of the OG political streamers, has been for years. I remember him having a discussion with Trihex about using the N-word in private and I think the takeaway was "I can do it if I want to" but it's been a hot minute lmao. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10391 Posts
Also if Abbott is claiming, as he is, that this is an invasion... isn't he aiding and abetting these "invaders" by ferrying them off to other states? Pretty sure that's... just treason... so which is it Abbott? Are they invaders that you're now releasing deep into America? Or are they maybe not what you're claiming them to be? Polls don't mean anything until the two candidates begin having debates (if they even do have debates). I will say that NH is a special case sure, but if the trend keeps up, it means that Trump and Republicans aren't going to have their typical "stand strong, vote the line" attitude that they normally have (much like the midterms where it was a red drop rather than a red wave). Division in the Republican party only helps Biden and Democrats, and they're also continuing to get more and more ammo to use against Republicans. As present, I think it's a tossup between the two, with leans towards Biden because of his anticipated wins in the Rust Belt. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23928 Posts
Haley will kiss the ring (before SC if she wants a political future) like the rest of the Republican candidates that got any votes. From my perspective, Biden's in trouble and his supporters are in denial. I say it's 55-45 favoring Trump. More important than what the polls specifically say on a given day is how they compare to Biden's 2020 run against Trump and he's been running ~8-10 points worse for months. Biden barely won in 2020, and just losing half as much support in Michigan as he has nationally, would mean an electoral college loss for Biden. Specifically, Biden won Michigan by less votes than there are Muslims registered to vote in Michigan, so his support of Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians is especially dangerous electorally, as well as deplorable ethically and criminal legally. No one expects Muslims in Michigan to vote for Trump, but only the most sycophantic Democrats expect them to vote Biden. EDIT: Forgot to mention Biden's favorability is worse than Trump's was at this point in 2020 and even more worse than Trump's current favorability. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8072 Posts
On January 26 2024 10:51 GreenHorizons wrote: Looking at 270towin and state polling, it looks like it's all going to come down to Michigan and pretty much everything else besides maybe Wisconsin, is a distraction from that. Haley will kiss the ring (before SC if she wants a political future) like the rest of the Republican candidates that got any votes. From my perspective, Biden's in trouble and his supporters are in denial. I say it's 55-45 favoring Trump. More important than what the polls specifically say on a given day is how they compare to Biden's 2020 run against Trump and he's been running ~8-10 points worse for months. Biden barely won in 2020, and just losing half as much support in Michigan as he has nationally, would mean an electoral college loss for Biden. Specifically, Biden won Michigan by less votes than there are Muslims registered to vote in Michigan, so his support of Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians is especially dangerous electorally, as well as deplorable ethically and criminal legally. No one expects Muslims in Michigan to vote for Trump, but only the most sycophantic Democrats expect them to vote Biden. EDIT: Forgot to mention Biden's favorability is worse than Trump's was at this point in 2020 and even more worse than Trump's current favorability. Too early to say. Being an incombent has historically been a huge advantages and sitting presidents have outscored the polls time and time and time again. That being said, Biden is really unpopular, and has little to show for. I also doubt his ability to debate someone as violent as Trump. He doesn’t feel sharp to say the least. I still fucking pray he wins, though I think he has been an inept leader and done nothing positive i can think of, outside of supporting Ukraine. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Even if Biden was the most competent debater on the planet, it would be completely counter-productive for him to engage with Trump in a debate. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On January 26 2024 10:51 GreenHorizons wrote: Looking at 270towin and state polling, it looks like it's all going to come down to Michigan and pretty much everything else besides maybe Wisconsin, is a distraction from that. Haley will kiss the ring (before SC if she wants a political future) like the rest of the Republican candidates that got any votes. From my perspective, Biden's in trouble and his supporters are in denial. I say it's 55-45 favoring Trump. More important than what the polls specifically say on a given day is how they compare to Biden's 2020 run against Trump and he's been running ~8-10 points worse for months. Biden barely won in 2020, and just losing half as much support in Michigan as he has nationally, would mean an electoral college loss for Biden. Specifically, Biden won Michigan by less votes than there are Muslims registered to vote in Michigan, so his support of Israel's ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign against Palestinians is especially dangerous electorally, as well as deplorable ethically and criminal legally. No one expects Muslims in Michigan to vote for Trump, but only the most sycophantic Democrats expect them to vote Biden. EDIT: Forgot to mention Biden's favorability is worse than Trump's was at this point in 2020 and even more worse than Trump's current favorability. A vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Trump. I love the logic being that by getting Trump elected thatll show the democrats. Nevermind the fact that Trump is going to be significantly worse for palestinians if thats the single issue some people care about. It feels like the media trying to drum up controversy for ratings. Or talk radio self selecting the calls to the most egregious dumbasses to try to get their "hot topic of the day going" | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10880 Posts
Policy wise, Biden actually doesn't have that little to show for? Arguably he has been very effective, especially given the circumstances. But it seems like barely anyone on the (far)-left or right actually cares about policy. Imho people should just stop pretending and treat all this like the reality tv show they want it to be. | ||
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