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On January 06 2023 15:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2023 10:43 Gahlo wrote:On January 06 2023 08:41 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 08:00 Sadist wrote:On January 06 2023 07:00 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 05:44 Gorsameth wrote:On January 06 2023 05:36 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 01:41 ChristianS wrote:On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:
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That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired.
Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail".
He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them.
You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son. Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something? I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no? Reasonable people everywhere are rightfully concerned when massive social media companies censor a legitimate story in the run up to an election. That's the only thing I think is interesting about the story anyway. I couldn't care less about the crack smoking and peddling influence with bullshit consulting jobs or whatever other mole hills the Republicans are trying to make a mountain from. But I certainly don't think the arguments that some are offering, e.g. "What about the Trump Kid's profiteering?" or "If there was wrongdoing how come there were no charges" are particularly good. Nobody here would bring the "Then why hasn't he been charged?" energy to defend any wrongdoing from a team MAGA guy. Are you still trying to claim that a story everyone knew about got supposedly censored? Are we going to have that argument again where it's not censorship because people still eventually heard about it? Or it's not censored if mirrored links exist? Some of the stuff that was censored were stolen nude pictures. It would have been a crime to not censor them. Guys who gives a flying fuck about the laptop. This is such a nothingburger its beyond ridiculous. Lets try to have a shred of good faith here. Its just an attempt at distraction from the blatent corruption by the Republicans and Trump administration in plain site. We actually had a sitting president having his children and son in law as large parts of the administration. When the fuck was the last time something like that happened or was deemed acceptable? Im glad Jared brought peace to the middle east and solved Covid. The best people. I think the bad faith arguments are people talking about chain-of-custody of the laptop or implying that Twitter's main motivation for suppression of the story had something to do with Hunter Biden's cock or that something isn't censored if it exists elsewhere on the internet or that if charges haven't been brought there must not be any wrongdoing. If the shoe were on the other foot and we were talking about a MAGA clansman's potential malfeasance none of this energy would be brought by the same people. It's 100% pure partisan hackery. Btw, I've already said the laptop itself is a nothingburger so no sense in beating that horse again. You can't just rock up to court with a hard drive and go "Yo, this is legit. Trust me." You have to prove that the drive is, unaltered, exactly how it was procured, from the source. This also includes legal go ahead to get it in the first place. Criminals have gotten off scott free because overzealous cops have improperly handled electronic evidence. It has to be preserved, unaltered, with absolute integrity. The possibility that anything was improperly acquired with means it's all useless. In a digital forensics class I had that only lasted 14 weeks the teacher said "preserve the evidence" over 100 times. It's like trying to use DNA evidence when tons of people know how to rewrite DNA. It’s a bad faith argument because its not even being litigated. It’s a layer you are adding to it so that you can easily refute it.
It is being litigated though, that's how crimes get investigated and proven.
If you don't see a way for it to be used to prove a crime in anyway then I ask you what value does the laptop have in being discussed?
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On January 06 2023 23:41 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2023 09:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 06:05 Sermokala wrote:On January 06 2023 04:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 03:58 Gorsameth wrote:On January 06 2023 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 01:41 ChristianS wrote:On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:On January 05 2023 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
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I meant 'are there specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated?' or is that a red herring?
The relations to Joe Biden are clear to me. It's also clear to me that he was aware that his son was selling influence (that he arguably didn't have) and independent of whether it was effective, it was obviously corrupt.
Then there's the drugs. Had he not had such a critical role in destroying millions of people's lives for the same (often lesser) crimes he knows his son was committing, it wouldn't be so damnable.
That he's done so little to remedially address what he now recognizes as the systematically cruel and horrific destruction of millions of people's lives he's uniquely personally responsible for and positioned to lead on remedying is damning enough on its own. However, seeing video/photos of Hunter Biden's crimes committed with impunity certainly amplified the "rules for thee but not for me" vibes. That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired. Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail". He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them. You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son. Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something? I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no? None of it is dependent on the contents of the laptop, though there's arguably some "involvement". I don't think the subterfuge or innuendo from Republicans is necessary to recognize that Joe Biden knew about the job when Hunter took it, knew he was unqualified, and knew why he was getting it anyway. Yet he and Hunter pretended Burisma needed Hunter Biden's professional help to keep them on the straight and narrow as if that isn't laughable on its face. Beyond getting clarity on whether people disputed that the laptop contents that have been released were authentically from/of Hunter Biden (they don't afaict) my other point was that regardless of what is or isn't ultimately shown in Hunter's data, Joe Biden (Hunter too for whatever that matters) is plenty deplorable based on his own actions/policy (historical and contemporary). No one should need an investigation into the laptop to see that both parties and every president is corrupted by the influence of money in US politics. Whether Joe Biden is provably in a court of law guilty of so egregiously stepping outside of normally accepted US political corruption that it would net a conviction in US criminal court (as well as the habitual/reflexive Trump whataboutism) misses the forest for the trees imo. Right but not your point is not "Hunter Biden laptop bad" but simply "US politics is shit and full of corruption". And you should know by now that this forum generally agrees with that statement. To the degree that's true that's why the discussion of stuff like chain of custody is a red herring. People know Biden and his party are corrupted by money, that lobbying/fundraising in the US is basically legalized bribery by another name, that nepotism is par for the course and so on. Regardless of what is or isn't shown by Hunter's files, no one is going to seriously argue that Joe Biden isn't a part of the normalized corruption that makes the worst version of the Burisma story look insignificant by comparison. How is it a red herring? Unless you have legitimate evidence for something you cannot state something is a fact. The laptop is not legitimate evidence. Going for a "both sides" argument is just silly. All you do with it is legitimize the very things you're complaining about so much. Because no one is going to seriously argue that Joe Biden isn't a part of the normalized US corruption (it's fair to argue it's capitalists doing capitalism imo) that makes the worst version of the Burisma story look insignificant by comparison. It's not a "both sides" argument other than I obviously don't think this is only a problem with Democrats. The chronic whataboutism regarding Republicans isn't wrong about their rampant improprieties and legalized corruption. It is a both sides argument. You don't find any difference between the sides you see them both as an equal part of the same corruption system. No one here is arguing that he isn't corrupt you're the one dismissing the story because you think corruption is just normal and both sides do it. This is the shit that really disappoints me with you. You repeatedly throw away your voice and opinion by ignoring any nuance of a situation to your overall message of revolution being our only salvation. You have a perspective that's valuable and yet you continuously refuse to share it because you hold yourself so far above any current event. It just comes off as condesending and demeaning to everyone that's genuinely interested in us politics and doesn't want to hear for the thousandths time that nilhism about none of it mattering. Do you really want to participate in a discussion about us politics or are you just wasteing all of our time?
He isn't saying both sides are equal. He is saying being better than Republicans isn't good enough and even if one passes that bar one can still demand improvement, and he is unwilling to give a pass to democrats for being less corrupt than Trump. It's an entirely coherent argument and tbh I entirely agree with it, even if I differ in the sense that I'd still vote for democrats when those two are my two real choices.
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On January 06 2023 23:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2023 23:41 Sermokala wrote:On January 06 2023 09:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 06:05 Sermokala wrote:On January 06 2023 04:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 03:58 Gorsameth wrote:On January 06 2023 03:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 06 2023 01:41 ChristianS wrote:On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:
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That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired.
Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail".
He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them.
You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son. Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something? I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no? None of it is dependent on the contents of the laptop, though there's arguably some "involvement". I don't think the subterfuge or innuendo from Republicans is necessary to recognize that Joe Biden knew about the job when Hunter took it, knew he was unqualified, and knew why he was getting it anyway. Yet he and Hunter pretended Burisma needed Hunter Biden's professional help to keep them on the straight and narrow as if that isn't laughable on its face. Beyond getting clarity on whether people disputed that the laptop contents that have been released were authentically from/of Hunter Biden (they don't afaict) my other point was that regardless of what is or isn't ultimately shown in Hunter's data, Joe Biden (Hunter too for whatever that matters) is plenty deplorable based on his own actions/policy (historical and contemporary). No one should need an investigation into the laptop to see that both parties and every president is corrupted by the influence of money in US politics. Whether Joe Biden is provably in a court of law guilty of so egregiously stepping outside of normally accepted US political corruption that it would net a conviction in US criminal court (as well as the habitual/reflexive Trump whataboutism) misses the forest for the trees imo. Right but not your point is not "Hunter Biden laptop bad" but simply "US politics is shit and full of corruption". And you should know by now that this forum generally agrees with that statement. To the degree that's true that's why the discussion of stuff like chain of custody is a red herring. People know Biden and his party are corrupted by money, that lobbying/fundraising in the US is basically legalized bribery by another name, that nepotism is par for the course and so on. Regardless of what is or isn't shown by Hunter's files, no one is going to seriously argue that Joe Biden isn't a part of the normalized corruption that makes the worst version of the Burisma story look insignificant by comparison. How is it a red herring? Unless you have legitimate evidence for something you cannot state something is a fact. The laptop is not legitimate evidence. Going for a "both sides" argument is just silly. All you do with it is legitimize the very things you're complaining about so much. Because no one is going to seriously argue that Joe Biden isn't a part of the normalized US corruption (it's fair to argue it's capitalists doing capitalism imo) that makes the worst version of the Burisma story look insignificant by comparison. It's not a "both sides" argument other than I obviously don't think this is only a problem with Democrats. The chronic whataboutism regarding Republicans isn't wrong about their rampant improprieties and legalized corruption. It is a both sides argument. You don't find any difference between the sides you see them both as an equal part of the same corruption system. No one here is arguing that he isn't corrupt you're the one dismissing the story because you think corruption is just normal and both sides do it. This is the shit that really disappoints me with you. You repeatedly throw away your voice and opinion by ignoring any nuance of a situation to your overall message of revolution being our only salvation. You have a perspective that's valuable and yet you continuously refuse to share it because you hold yourself so far above any current event. It just comes off as condesending and demeaning to everyone that's genuinely interested in us politics and doesn't want to hear for the thousandths time that nilhism about none of it mattering. Do you really want to participate in a discussion about us politics or are you just wasteing all of our time? He isn't saying both sides are equal. He is saying being better than Republicans isn't good enough and even if one passes that bar one can still demand improvement, and he is unwilling to give a pass to democrats for being less corrupt than Trump. It's an entirely coherent argument and tbh I entirely agree with it, even if I differ in the sense that I'd still vote for democrats when those two are my two real choices.
I don't see anyone here giving dems a pass or refusing to demand improvement. He is the one supporting the laptop story and saying that it's just normal to be corrupt in Washington.
I get what he is trying to do but it's not connected to what anyone else has said and is then in effect just a both sides argument about corruption that dismisses any nuance or complexity to any event.
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On January 07 2023 00:25 JimmiC wrote:
I was thinking about this infighting, and those particular reps don't know anything other than how to tear things down and attack, they are probably scared shitless about actually governing. They have no concept about how to come together to build something, only how to come together to attack and destroy. Even if they manage to vote for someone if they try to do anything, it will be blocked. All they will be able to pass will be bills ot attack or tear things down. Their entire purpose for being elected is to not govern. Being unable to do so is not a fault, its the entire goal onto itself.
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On January 06 2023 15:25 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2023 10:43 Gahlo wrote:On January 06 2023 08:41 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 08:00 Sadist wrote:On January 06 2023 07:00 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 05:44 Gorsameth wrote:On January 06 2023 05:36 BlackJack wrote:On January 06 2023 01:41 ChristianS wrote:On January 06 2023 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 05 2023 23:06 Sermokala wrote:
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That is a bit of a red herring due to it never being released and also due to clear and obvious circumstances of the claimed way it was acquired.
Second and third paragraphs no one I've ever seen has had a problem with hunter Biden being locked up. It's been a constant "if he did crimes he should go to jail".
He's not committed these crime with impunity he has been investigated by the government and charges were rumored to be dropped after the election and they were just waiting for them not to effect the election. That hasn't happened yet which should point to the lack of actual evidence to them.
You need to ask yourself how they got these videos photos and how they are being shown to you. The republicans have had it from before the presidential election, what have they done with this information? A simple "No there are not specific files (photos, videos, emails, etc) that people believe are fake/manipulated, yes it is a red herring" would have been sufficient. Hunter Biden has obviously and self-admittedly committed crimes. He's enjoyed legal impunity for those crimes despite his father having been uniquely personally responsible for destroying millions of lives for the same and lessor crimes. That's not even up for debate, it's a matter of well documented fact. I don't know what people genuinely believe his no-show job was other than bribery, granting the people bribing Hunter Biden didn't seem to be getting their money's worth. Personally I believe (besides being factually wrong) the oblivious Joe/white house narrative is more shameful, but Joe knew about the no-show job and knew better than most people that his son was a nonsensical hire outside of it being bribery. Does any of that even really involve the laptop? We knew Hunter was an addict, and we knew he took some high-paid consulting-type jobs that he surely only got because of his last name. I’m not gonna look up Biden’s history on drug enforcement policy right now (I’ll take your word for it that it’s terrible) but sans laptop you could still indict him for hypocrisy if he favored mandatory minimums for the masses, but rehab and recovery for his son. Frankly the laptop has always seemed a lot like the Podesta emails stuff. It’s this whole JJ Abrams game of “look at this super secret box, don’t you think there’s probably some dark fucked-up stuff inside?” but the actual contents are pretty disappointing. One difference is, I can still name a couple things from the 2016 email hacks that *really were* pretty bad, but I haven’t even heard *allegations* from the laptop that seemed all that meaningful. IIRC there’s alleged evidence that Biden knew about Hunter’s consulting jobs, they were explicitly given to him as bribes, and Biden even demanded 10% of his son’s income. But what were these jobs, $500,000/year? That’s great money for a guy fresh out of rehab but it’s not much for bribe money in Washington DC, especially if you’re only taking 10%. Didn’t the Saudis just give Jared Kushner like $1billion or something? I guess my point is, I don’t think the subterfuge and innuendo of the laptop story are buying you anything here. Right-wingers mostly yell about it more for the fact it was *censored* than they do for the actual contents, and everything you’re complaining about here was public information already, no? Reasonable people everywhere are rightfully concerned when massive social media companies censor a legitimate story in the run up to an election. That's the only thing I think is interesting about the story anyway. I couldn't care less about the crack smoking and peddling influence with bullshit consulting jobs or whatever other mole hills the Republicans are trying to make a mountain from. But I certainly don't think the arguments that some are offering, e.g. "What about the Trump Kid's profiteering?" or "If there was wrongdoing how come there were no charges" are particularly good. Nobody here would bring the "Then why hasn't he been charged?" energy to defend any wrongdoing from a team MAGA guy. Are you still trying to claim that a story everyone knew about got supposedly censored? Are we going to have that argument again where it's not censorship because people still eventually heard about it? Or it's not censored if mirrored links exist? Some of the stuff that was censored were stolen nude pictures. It would have been a crime to not censor them. Guys who gives a flying fuck about the laptop. This is such a nothingburger its beyond ridiculous. Lets try to have a shred of good faith here. Its just an attempt at distraction from the blatent corruption by the Republicans and Trump administration in plain site. We actually had a sitting president having his children and son in law as large parts of the administration. When the fuck was the last time something like that happened or was deemed acceptable? Im glad Jared brought peace to the middle east and solved Covid. The best people. I think the bad faith arguments are people talking about chain-of-custody of the laptop or implying that Twitter's main motivation for suppression of the story had something to do with Hunter Biden's cock or that something isn't censored if it exists elsewhere on the internet or that if charges haven't been brought there must not be any wrongdoing. If the shoe were on the other foot and we were talking about a MAGA clansman's potential malfeasance none of this energy would be brought by the same people. It's 100% pure partisan hackery. Btw, I've already said the laptop itself is a nothingburger so no sense in beating that horse again. You can't just rock up to court with a hard drive and go "Yo, this is legit. Trust me." You have to prove that the drive is, unaltered, exactly how it was procured, from the source. This also includes legal go ahead to get it in the first place. Criminals have gotten off scott free because overzealous cops have improperly handled electronic evidence. It has to be preserved, unaltered, with absolute integrity. The possibility that anything was improperly acquired with means it's all useless. In a digital forensics class I had that only lasted 14 weeks the teacher said "preserve the evidence" over 100 times. It's like trying to use DNA evidence when tons of people know how to rewrite DNA. It’s a bad faith argument because its not even being litigated. It’s a layer you are adding to it so that you can easily refute it.
Wait, do you think I hold any loyalty to Hunter Biden? lol
Assuming there are things on there that are nefarious and the laptop in it's current state is unaltered, you still need evidence for anything to get done. Unfortunately, the laptop no longer holds up to evidential standards according to law.
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The 12th vote for House Speaker has just failed. I wonder how many times they'll repeat the vote (and probably repeat the failure) today.
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On January 07 2023 02:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
The 12th vote for House Speaker has just failed. I wonder how many times they'll repeat the vote (and probably repeat the failure) today.
I heard four Republicans are out of the House with urgent family matters to attend to and I don't believe the Dems will vote to adjourn, so I'm gonna guess... seven more times
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On January 07 2023 02:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
The 12th vote for House Speaker has just failed. I wonder how many times they'll repeat the vote (and probably repeat the failure) today.
There has been at least 5 defections from the rebels but the math will never work for him until he can crack the hardcore 5 6 7 we've been hearing about that are never kevens. Gatez has a deep grudge it seems so he can only lose 3 more people. They also can't negotiate for present votes from meh kevins beause the dems would then have the speakership beacuse the gap between them is so small.
idk what the new math is today however. I think like 10 are not there today so we'll see how things go.
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A few Republican defectors flipped this time, to vote for McCarthy. Perhaps this may be the final day of voting after all.
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On January 07 2023 03:05 JimmiC wrote:
The only good thing that could possibly come from all this stupidity is the republican party finally seeing that this new "base" of voters they got is not worth it because they cause more trouble then they are worth if they won't even vote for obvious, easy things the party wants. This is doubtful, but it hard to find any sort of positive. And what would that tho?
The Republicans have 2 options, accept this base and the crazies that come with that. Or denounce them and never win an election again.
They have no future without the crazies. They saw to that themselves.
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the cynic in me expects they will get the vote complete today to create news that isn’t ‘remember the insurrection of jan 6’
of course, if it does happen today it could be entirely coincidental that the GOP finally managed to vote on something in the house, but it’ll be tainted regardless in my head.
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On January 07 2023 03:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A few Republican defectors flipped this time, to vote for McCarthy. Perhaps this may be the final day of voting after all.
I don't think it ends today. The rebel alliance has split but with the absences the margin is even thinner and kevin can lose even fewer. 13 of the fourteen rebels have gone back to the herd but thats still 7 left and I think the math is still 4 that can't stay in rebellion.
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i have a real ignorant question. do they have to keep voting on some kind of schedule? why would they vote 12 times if they aren’t certain they’ve got the magic number?
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On January 07 2023 04:07 brian wrote:
i have a real ignorant question. do they have to keep voting on some kind of schedule? why would they vote 12 times if they aren’t certain they’ve got the magic number?
There is no real schedule but the only thing they can do is adjourn or do another vote. They can get through about 3 every 5 and a half hours or so. After they vote and before the results is officially announced they can go around and talk on the floor but as soon as its announced they need to vote again or adjourn.
No nominations for anyone other than jeffries or mccarthy this might be the end. Or not maybe rebels are still voteing for someone other than mccarthy.
They already unleashed the guy they will put at the head of the witch hunts and I think that was their largest piece of ammunition. Rebels are still rebelling. .
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Shit, McCarthy might actually win this today if like two dissenters flip
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