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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On June 27 2022 23:30 Simberto wrote: Because the system works differently. Here in Germany, a party gets representatives proportional to their total amount of votes, as long as they have more than 5% (to prevent thousands of microparties like Weimar). (Some stuff is a bit more complex, but that is the core) That means that votes work, but parties also need to work with other parties. There are natural coalition that happen often, but as votes shift, the parties need to negotiate with most of the other parties at some point to keep in power. This keeps them from totally pissing off everyone else, and leads to a much more positive political climate. For example, the current Landesparlamente (state parliament) coalitions are: SPD, Green, Left (*2) SPD, CDU (*1) SPD, Green (*1) SPD, CDU, Green (*1) SPD, Green, FDP(*1) CDU, Green (*1) CDU, FDP (*1) CDU, SPD, FDP (*1) CDU, Green, FDP (*1) CDU, Green, SPD (*1) CSU, Free Voters (*1) Left, SPD, Green (*1) Green, CDU (*1) SPD (*1) Our national parliament currently works with a majority of SPD, Green, FDP. This means that basically every party is in a coalition with basically every other party somewhere. (Except for the AfD because they are rightwing nuts and no one wants to talk to them) They cannot completely fraction society like they can in the US and paint the other guy as the devil, because they still need to be able to work with them. And since every vote matters, people don't have to vote tactically. More votes for your party = More power for that party. Coalitions usually negotiate power based on how many votes the parties have. And there is nothing to gain for the parties to merge, because they don't need to win an FPTP race to get any power. FPTP is the core mechanic which enforces a two party system in the US. Fun fact: If I remember my history classes correctly, our (great) system isnt actually a german invention. Rather, it was "heavily suggested" by the allies after WW2, to prevent any bipartisan policital landscape and any one extreme party becoming too powerful again. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On June 28 2022 01:13 plasmidghost wrote: Separation of church and state is rapidly going out the window. Christofascism is pretty much the law of the land now Is every case they are hearing this session about guns or religion? I don't know if this is typical or not but it sure feels incredibly rapid fire and partisan. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 28 2022 02:48 Starlightsun wrote: Is every case they are hearing this session about guns or religion? I don't know if this is typical or not but it sure feels incredibly rapid fire and partisan. Don't forget West Virginia v EPA, which will come out terrifyingly soon | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On June 28 2022 02:27 JimmiC wrote: The big question no one on the get rid of Roe vs Wade discussion is, How many abortions does this stop? If anything research seems to indicate it makes abortion more common since the people doing illegally have no restrictions. That could be argued I guess, but we all know it is no where close to eliminating them. And one thing everyone can agree on is the ones that happen illegally will be exponentially more dangerous. Do abortions really increase when it is illegal? That's not something I would have thought of. I guess I never learned what restrictions there were on legal abortion. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On June 28 2022 01:43 Djabanete wrote: GH and plasmidghost: What do you mean by “radicalization work” and “radicalizing people”? The making of Weather Underground 2: Eclectic Boogaloo /s It includes a wide variety of things. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but it's basically working with people to cooperatively build a better understanding of the world and implementing that understanding through praxis to improve it. Exactly what that looks like is different for everyone. Plasmid covered the gist of it, but if I was going to nitpick/distinguish it'd be around "reforming" the police and the rhetorical framing of communists bringing awakening people. I can't help indulging that "awakening people" feeling sometimes myself, but as I understand it, we're best served when we engage it as a much more mutually formative experience. I imagine plasmid typically does that so I trust it's just a semantic quibble. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 28 2022 03:18 GreenHorizons wrote: The making of Weather Underground 2: Eclectic Boogaloo /s It includes a wide variety of things. I'm not sure what you're expecting, but it's basically working with people to cooperatively build a better understanding of the world and implementing that understanding through praxis to improve it. Exactly what that looks like is different for everyone. Plasmid covered the gist of it, but if I was going to nitpick/distinguish it'd be around "reforming" the police and the rhetorical framing of communists bringing awakening people. I can't help indulging that "awakening people" feeling sometimes myself, but as I understand it, we're best served when we engage it as a much more mutually formative experience. I imagine plasmid typically does that so I trust it's just a semantic quibble. Yeah, absolutely! My use of reform instead of what I really want, abolition, is because that's been one of the topics that has gotten the most pushback from the working-class people I talk to. Almost all of them that aren't far-right agree that policing in America needs to change, but when I push for abolition, they don't like the idea, which I do understand. As for awakening people, that is also something I used to try to frame getting people more politically active, and I think a better term would be, perhaps, educating people on working class issues? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
There's no mention of the father in any of these situations, or the equal responsibility they share in the creation of the fetus (not baby). There's no regard for bodily autonomy, of which a corpse currently has more than a pregnant person. There is only judgment, shame, and punishment. The woman is an irresponsible slut. Which for some reason makes them exactly the kind of person who should be forced to have a child. So they force her to have a child she shouldn't have. Nope. It's about punishing and controlling women. Top to bottom and front to back. If it was about anything else you'd see other initiatives to promote raising healthy children instead. You'd see bills passed to make sure kids don't get slaughtered at school. But that isn't what they want. It's all about the fetus and how it imposes on a woman's life. And they know abortions won't actually stop, but that poor women and women of color are more likely to die from DIY abortions as a result. It's all intentional. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On June 28 2022 03:32 plasmidghost wrote: Yeah, absolutely! My use of reform instead of what I really want, abolition, is because that's been one of the topics that has gotten the most pushback from the working-class people I talk to. Almost all of them that aren't far-right agree that policing in America needs to change, but when I push for abolition, they don't like the idea, which I do understand. As for awakening people, that is also something I used to try to frame getting people more politically active, and I think a better term would be, perhaps, educating people on working class issues? Nothing wrong with meeting people where they're at because ultimately the necessity for abolition becomes clearer as the other pieces you mentioned come together for people, at least in my experiences. As to the phrasing, "educating people on working class issues" is fine in the mutual Freirean sense imo. A lot of people don't take it that way though. To avoid confusion I just try to stress that it's a cooperative practice of mutual consciousness raising focused on identifying and resolving 'contradictions' or problems together. How that sounds might vary depending on context/audience but generally I try to go with something like "engaging with/in working class struggles...". | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On June 28 2022 05:54 GreenHorizons wrote: Nothing wrong with meeting people where they're at because ultimately the necessity for abolition becomes clearer as the other pieces you mentioned come together for people, at least in my experiences. As to the phrasing, "educating people on working class issues" is fine in the mutual Freirean sense imo. A lot of people don't take it that way though. To avoid confusion I just try to stress that it's a cooperative practice of mutual consciousness raising focused on identifying and resolving 'contradictions' or problems together. How that sounds might vary depending on context/audience but generally I try to go with something like "engaging with/in working class struggles...". Ah, that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying that! | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Belgium16168 Posts
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
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United States10568 Posts
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Canada22817 Posts
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