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On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids?
America is supposed to be the place that does care and does the right thing. If you and people on the right want to parrot about American values so much they could at least follow them yourselves.
Your comparison to animals and eating to human beings is trash and your overpopulation nonsense you want to use to justify selfishness.
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On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids?
World is overpopulated, therefore better let the brown children whom I know nothing about die a miserable death. It's better than making room for them in my country. And then act like the fact we eat meat makes all that ok.
Putting "it's the right thing to do" and "compassion" in quotes is ridiculous. Those are the reasons to give shelter to the people who need it.
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On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids?
You've somehow managed to dig even deeper into the hole after that atrocious first post, I can't wait to see what you'll say next
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On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids?
Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government.
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If we can't establish common ground on at least some basic empathy, I doubt this conversation will serve any real benefit. Moral compasses this off kilter from each other just means we'll be talking past each other.
Why does the U.S support families that are complete aliens to you? Because it has a reputation as the center of democracy where the rights and freedoms of people will be respected, a place where the Christian values of caring for your neighbour and the foreigner are acted upon, and a country where everyone can seek the American Dream.
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On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government.
Democracy is founded on the idea that everyone who is legally allowed to vote gets to decide what's valuable. You're all being short-sighted. I'm looking hundreds of years into the future. We just keep on letting people procreate, and support their god-given rights to raise families without consequences. It's gonna cap off. I'm not willing to just, "Cross that bridge when we get to it". That's irresponsible.
You have feelings. I get it. It's upsetting to look at people in pain. It's also hard to walk away from the donut section at Safeway because sugar feels good to consume. Just because something doesn't "feel right", doesn't mean it isn't right.
And that other guy only thinks human lives are more valuable because he/she is one. In my mind, that's equally valid to only caring about American lives because I am one. You just drew your line at human, whereas I drew mine at American. How can you feel superior about that without appealing to some nebulous notion of common sense?
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Turkey to start implementing retaliatory tariffs against United States.
ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey will start implementing on Thursday retaliatory tariffs worth $266.5 million against the United States over ‘ill-advised’ and ‘unsupportable’ additional steel tariffs enacted by Washington, Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci said.
The tariffs will be imposed on imports of U.S. coal, paper, walnuts/almonds, tobacco, unprocessed rice, whisky, automobiles, cosmetics, machinery equipment and petrochemical products.
“The total tariff burden today being imposed by Turkey on the U.S. is commensurate with the additional costs Turkey faces due to the tariffs imposed on it by the U.S.,” Zeybekci said in a statement.
“They are proportional, measured and designed to protect Turkey’s interests, while encouraging dialogue.”
U.S. President Donald Trump decided in March to impose import duties of 25 percent on steel and 10 percent on aluminum, drawing criticism from other countries for heightening the risk of a global trade war.
The U.S. tariffs have been imposed on Europe, Canada and Mexico, some of its biggest trade partners since June 1, after their temporary exemptions expired.
The United States is the fifth largest country where Turkey exports its goods and trade volume amounted to $20.6 billion in 2017, official data showed.
Turkey remained committed to active, robust and reciprocal trade relations with the United States, Zeybekci said.
Source
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Hello, future Hitler.
I'll take the warning, my mind just exploded and I'm done for the day :D
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On June 22 2018 05:41 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. Democracy is founded on the idea that everyone who is legally allowed to vote gets to decide what's valuable. You're all being short-sighted. I'm looking hundreds of years into the future. We just keep on letting people procreate, and support their god-given rights to raise families without consequences. It's gonna cap off. I'm not willing to just, "Cross that bridge when we get to it". That's irresponsible. You have feelings. I get it. It's upsetting to look at people in pain. It's also hard to walk away from the donut section at Safeway because sugar feels good to consume. Just because something doesn't "feel right", doesn't mean it isn't right. And that other guy only thinks human lives are more valuable because he/she is one. In my mind, that's equally valid to only caring about American lives because I am one. You just drew your line at human, whereas I drew mine at American. How can you feel superior about that without appealing to some nebulous notion of common sense?
It is right. Nations long ago agreed that having a system for asylum seekers was important. That people feeling violent counties should be able to remain in our county and try to live. Especially if they have relatives in our county, which many asylum seekers do.
I’m American as they come. I sent my brother to war twice for this country. I helped out his troops when they came back. My family has always been part of local, small town politics. I vote in every election and helped local campaigns. I got a whole degree in US history I liked this country so much. And America would be a true garbage nation of nationalist people that believe what you believe get their way. A selfish nation that emulates the worst aspects of humanity. Feelings inform that opinion, my study of history does. When nationalist opinions like yours that take hold, we become a lesser nation that ends up ashamed of its choices.
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On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government.
P6, he doesn't. Along with millions of other people. Not a majority I don't think, but very many people.
It's terrifying to consider, isn't it? The way you view the world, be it right or wrong, sane or not, is with compassion in mind. With value on human life and positive experience beyond your own, and your closest in-groups. This is just not true of everyone. These things are deeply rooted, trying to imagine the world with no sense of them is like trying to imagine seeing without the eyes you've had your whole life. It's really hard to conceive, and I'm not trying to be ironic or funny here, it is. It confuses me every time I try. But it's seriously important to be aware of never-the-less.
Of course, it isn't straightforward, there are many shades of grey here, but total disregard for human life and suffering is possible in a person. Especially if you can convince said person they may receive even the slightest benefit for it.
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I'm pretty sure ThunderJunk is a psychopath. I don't mean that in an offensive way, and more in a medical one. There's 1% of them among the population after all, you're bound to meet one or another. If my hypothesis is correct it would be difficult for him to show empathy, which explains why he doesn't care about people he can't directly relate to. Meanwhile the rest of us have pretty strong feelings about the subject, so I think this is a conversation that should be laid to rest as there is no way we will be able to reconciliate with such different outlooks on life.
That said I'm not a psychiatrist so I could be way off mark.
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On June 22 2018 05:41 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. Democracy is founded on the idea that everyone who is legally allowed to vote gets to decide what's valuable. You're all being short-sighted. I'm looking hundreds of years into the future. We just keep on letting people procreate, and support their god-given rights to raise families without consequences. It's gonna cap off. I'm not willing to just, "Cross that bridge when we get to it". That's irresponsible. You have feelings. I get it. It's upsetting to look at people in pain. It's also hard to walk away from the donut section at Safeway because sugar feels good to consume. Just because something doesn't "feel right", doesn't mean it isn't right. And that other guy only thinks human lives are more valuable because he/she is one. In my mind, that's equally valid to only caring about American lives because I am one. You just drew your line at human, whereas I drew mine at American. How can you feel superior about that without appealing to some nebulous notion of common sense?
he doesn’t have to, the rest of us using that common sense you allude to understand. Americans aren’t better than humans, so to care less about them because they are below your line is what those common senser’s are bandying about.
i’m not convinced he isn’t trolling. he leaves little bits of total absurdity in each post.
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On June 22 2018 05:51 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. P6, he doesn't. Along with millions of other people. Not a majority I don't think, but very many people. It's terrifying to consider, isn't it? The way you view the world, be it right or wrong, sane or not, is with compassion in mind. With value on human life and positive experience beyond your own, and your closest in-groups. This is just not true of everyone. These things are deeply rooted, trying to imagine the world with no sense of them is like trying to imagine seeing without the eyes you've had your whole life. It's really hard to conceive, and I'm not trying to be ironic or funny here, it is. It confuses me every time I try. But it's seriously important to be aware of never-the-less. Of course, it isn't straightforward, there are many shades of grey here, but total disregard for human life and suffering is possible in a person. Especially if you can convince said person they may receive even the slightest benefit for it.
There were some studies a few years back about the empathetic part of our brain and how some people have significantly less activity. We also figured out we could manipulate people's empathy with trans-cranial magnets.
Haven't heard much more about the magnets so that's a little disconcerting but my point is that science has found evidence supporting the idea that empathy isn't universally and equally distributed.
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There is literally no point in trying to get someone to care about morality if they don't see some sort of fundamental worth in individual human life. It is a waste of time.
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On June 22 2018 06:05 kollin wrote:
There is literally no point in trying to get someone to care about morality if they don't see some sort of fundamental worth in individual human life. It is a waste of time.
as devil's advocate, I'd argue it might be theoretically possible to make a successful argument anyways; it of course requires taking a very different approach. but even then it depends on whether you're actually trying to argue from reason, or just arguing with rationalizations (in which case you'd need to get at the emotional root in order to understand how to manipulate them into agreeing)
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On June 22 2018 05:51 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. P6, he doesn't. Along with millions of other people. Not a majority I don't think, but very many people. It's terrifying to consider, isn't it? The way you view the world, be it right or wrong, sane or not, is with compassion in mind. With value on human life and positive experience beyond your own, and your closest in-groups. This is just not true of everyone. These things are deeply rooted, trying to imagine the world with no sense of them is like trying to imagine seeing without the eyes you've had your whole life. It's really hard to conceive, and I'm not trying to be ironic or funny here, it is. It confuses me every time I try. But it's seriously important to be aware of never-the-less. Of course, it isn't straightforward, there are many shades of grey here, but total disregard for human life and suffering is possible in a person. Especially if you can convince said person they may receive even the slightest benefit for it.
Around a million and a half years in the future, our galaxy is going to collide with Andromeda. The fate of Earth is on the line. We've gotten to where we are from all the choices people have made. The fate of all earth-faring creatures hangs in the balance.
Okay, back to now. There are humans. We are capable of living whatever quality of lives we have. Some of us are smarter... Some are dumber. Part of this is genetic. Let's say, Earth needs to produce a specific number of smart people in the next million years to produce the technological advances required to compete on the galactic scale.
Would you put the "Human rights" ahead of the capacity for Earthlings to dominate on the galactic scale? That would be dumb. Our descendants lose the war. But we got to circle-jerk for a million years because we were so kind to each other. Congrats.
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On June 22 2018 05:50 schaf wrote:
Hello, future Hitler.
I'll take the warning, my mind just exploded and I'm done for the day :D
I see your hitler, and raise you a hitler.
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On June 22 2018 06:10 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:50 schaf wrote:
Hello, future Hitler.
I'll take the warning, my mind just exploded and I'm done for the day :D I see your hitler, and raise you a hitler.
Are you concerned about an impending "white genocide" or am I projecting that view onto you as a result of seeing this line of argumentation elsewhere?
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On June 22 2018 06:08 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:51 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. P6, he doesn't. Along with millions of other people. Not a majority I don't think, but very many people. It's terrifying to consider, isn't it? The way you view the world, be it right or wrong, sane or not, is with compassion in mind. With value on human life and positive experience beyond your own, and your closest in-groups. This is just not true of everyone. These things are deeply rooted, trying to imagine the world with no sense of them is like trying to imagine seeing without the eyes you've had your whole life. It's really hard to conceive, and I'm not trying to be ironic or funny here, it is. It confuses me every time I try. But it's seriously important to be aware of never-the-less. Of course, it isn't straightforward, there are many shades of grey here, but total disregard for human life and suffering is possible in a person. Especially if you can convince said person they may receive even the slightest benefit for it. Around a million and a half years in the future, our galaxy is going to collide with Andromeda. The fate of Earth is on the line. We've gotten to where we are from all the choices people have made. The fate of all earth-faring creatures hangs in the balance. Okay, back to now. There are humans. We are capable of living whatever quality of lives we have. Some of us are smarter... Some are dumber. Part of this is genetic. Let's say, Earth needs to produce a specific number of smart people in the next million years to produce the technological advances required to compete on the galactic scale. Would you put the "Human rights" ahead of the capacity for Earthlings to dominate on the galactic scale? That would be dumb. Our descendants lose the war. But we got to circle-jerk for a million years because we were so kind to each other. Congrats.
You know you sound like Zod from Krypton right?
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On June 22 2018 06:08 ThunderJunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2018 05:51 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On June 22 2018 05:30 Plansix wrote:On June 22 2018 05:11 ThunderJunk wrote:On June 22 2018 04:59 Excludos wrote:
If your message is so blatantly bananas that people can't tell whether it's an exaggerated parody or not, there's a good chance it's not a good message or opinion to have in general. That's completely false. Most people found it completely bananas to consider that the earth might not be flat. Whether or not an opinion is correct objectively has nothing to do with peoples' knee-jerk reactions. Why do I need to support families I know nothing about, except that they abandoned their homelands? Because it's "the right thing to do"? Because of "Compassion"? Meanwhile, you probably still eat/drink meat and dairy products, even though that also involves ripping families apart, except it's cows and other animals that can't defend themselves, but somehow that's okay. And the world is overpopulated as it stands. Why do we need to support the improved conditions of more families? So they can have even more kids? Ok Breckinridge Long, calm down. We take in refugees from violence countries the same way we did in WW2 and every other war. You are supposed to care because you have a shred of humanity and care about your fellow humans simply because their lives have value. That is what democracy is founded on, the human existence has value and that our personal determination should drive our government. P6, he doesn't. Along with millions of other people. Not a majority I don't think, but very many people. It's terrifying to consider, isn't it? The way you view the world, be it right or wrong, sane or not, is with compassion in mind. With value on human life and positive experience beyond your own, and your closest in-groups. This is just not true of everyone. These things are deeply rooted, trying to imagine the world with no sense of them is like trying to imagine seeing without the eyes you've had your whole life. It's really hard to conceive, and I'm not trying to be ironic or funny here, it is. It confuses me every time I try. But it's seriously important to be aware of never-the-less. Of course, it isn't straightforward, there are many shades of grey here, but total disregard for human life and suffering is possible in a person. Especially if you can convince said person they may receive even the slightest benefit for it. Around a million and a half years in the future, our galaxy is going to collide with Andromeda. The fate of Earth is on the line. We've gotten to where we are from all the choices people have made. The fate of all earth-faring creatures hangs in the balance. Okay, back to now. There are humans. We are capable of living whatever quality of lives we have. Some of us are smarter... Some are dumber. Part of this is genetic. Let's say, Earth needs to produce a specific number of smart people in the next million years to produce the technological advances required to compete on the galactic scale. Would you put the "Human rights" ahead of the capacity for Earthlings to dominate on the galactic scale? That would be dumb. Our descendants lose the war. But we got to circle-jerk for a million years because we were so kind to each other. Congrats.
One of the reasons America is at the top of the scientific community right now is precisely because of immigration, not despite of it. Based on your own reasoning, you should want as many immigrants as possible, and preferably have them live good lives with a good education.
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