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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On June 19 2018 08:59 BigFan wrote: While this is an important topic and you guys are free to discuss it as you see fit, I would ask some of you to refrain from blowing things out of proportion so that discussion can continue to prosper in the thread and everyone can understand the other's position. There really isn't an "other's position" on this topic. If you don't oppose what's happening, you're an amoral monster. But I get what you're saying. | ||
micronesia
United States24678 Posts
On June 19 2018 08:49 Simberto wrote: Get rid of a single carrier group and you can pay for it thrice over just from the savings in maintenance, assuming the costs for the judges are yearly. Buying one carrier less every 40 years would also pay for those 300 million a year. Alternately, the US can pull all forces out of South Korea. It costs a lot to send so many people there and equip them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On June 19 2018 09:09 NewSunshine wrote: This honestly makes me sick. People are defending the act of taking immigrants seeking asylum, ripping the children away from the adults, and throwing them in cages, like it's no biggie. These families are being ripped apart, the children left with no legitimate claim to hope, because the racist assholes in the White House finally got the power they wanted. They're treating these people like vermin. It's thoroughly despicable. The party of family values, everyone. They think these people are vermin, that's why they call them animals openly. They're seen as subhuman by the administration and a sizable portion of America. On June 19 2018 08:50 Plansix wrote: ICE is now denying elected officials access to the children and covering up the windows with paper for reasons. The children have not been given access to anyone and have no ability to report abuse or seek legal counsel. The White House is currently tweeting they did not create the policy that White House staff said they would create in April. And that their staff is currently saying is in place. Reminds me of that Muslim ban. Wonder how many of the "we need guns to defend from a tyrannical government" folks are outside of ICE detention facilities with guns in hand protesting the tyrannical government that's tearing children from parents. Kind of seems like the perfect time and place to prove they're all not total frauds. But every time its showtime to prove they actually believe their talking points they're no where to be found. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On June 19 2018 09:13 Plansix wrote: Although I think calling this genocide is over the top, I agree with the sentiment that the current environment is ripe for abuse that we may never find out about. No one is there to protect these children from abuse and they effectively have no rights. ICE agents control everything and answer to nobody. The longer this goes on, the more risk these kids are in. I wouldn't call this genocide either. But this particular thing has happened many times before, and it's a slippery slope. Especially with someone who has such strong authoritarian leanings, hatred of a free press, flouts the justice system, and has the blessing of his party to do most everything he does. I promise you this is not only ripe for abuse, but it is being abused as we speak. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2018 09:18 OuchyDathurts wrote: They think these people are vermin, that's why they call them animals openly. They're seen as subhuman by the administration and a sizable portion of America. Wonder how many of the "we need guns to defend from a tyrannical government" folks are outside of ICE detention facilities with guns in hand protesting the tyrannical government that's tearing children from parents. Kind of seems like the perfect time and place to prove they're all not total frauds. But every time its showtime to prove they actually believe their talking points they're no where to be found. They will storm a local pizza joint with a semi automatic rifle based on some bullshit conspiracy theory. But they are no place to be found when it comes to the defenseless children that happen to brown. The courage of their conviction fails them at this critical moment. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23224 Posts
It's been like this since the inception of this country. First it was (and still is) the people living here before European colonizers came, then (and concurrently) Black residents, Central/South Americans were there too (also included in the 'people living here before European colonizers'). It's never not been like that for those groups in this country. That's not everyone but that's enough to get you from inception to today. That's not to say they haven't enriched members of each group in exchange for facilitating such oppression, just that the stuff described there is part and parcel of the entirety of the US story. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Note the BP person mocking them. The dehumanization is complete. Whoever runs against Trump should just play shit like this on loop for their campaign adds. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
What if we just defunded ICE and called it a day? Give the money to any other law enforcement agency and ended agency that never should have existed in the first place. | ||
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micronesia
United States24678 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Some of the tenets of legislation proposed by Cruz to address the laws on the books & court rulings on migrant children and misdemeanor offenders claiming asylum. New laws would override the judicial rulings, specifically those by the 9th circuit court of appeals regarding children. The background from a center right perspective. This is a tweet thread. This is kind of what's left off in the focused vision of evil Trump separating parents and children at the border. This solution is in the sole hands of Congress. From what I've seen, many are willing to change the laws to avert the humanitarian catastrophe, while still recognizing that catch-and-release won't work. Hopefully both sides can come together to pass something that addresses this. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2018 11:07 Danglars wrote: https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1008835703931842560 Some of the tenets of legislation proposed by Cruz to address the laws on the books & court rulings on migrant children and misdemeanor offenders claiming asylum. New laws would override the judicial rulings, specifically those by the 9th circuit court of appeals regarding children. https://twitter.com/johnddavidson/status/1008784472622485504 The background from a center right perspective. This is a tweet thread. This is kind of what's left off in the focused vision of evil Trump separating parents and children at the border. This solution is in the sole hands of Congress. From what I've seen, many are willing to change the laws to avert the humanitarian catastrophe, while still recognizing that catch-and-release won't work. Hopefully both sides can come together to pass something that addresses this. The solution can be obtained through congress. But Trump could end this with a phone call. So I would push back against the “sole” solution. It is a problems created by the Trump administration that they have the power to end. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Governor Charlie Baker is canceling the deployment of Massachusetts National Guard troops to the border in light of recent reports about the Trump Administration’s practice of separating immigrant children from families. “Governor Baker directed the National Guard not to send any assets or personnel to the Southwest border today because the federal government’s current actions are resulting in the inhumane treatment of children,” said Baker communications director Lizzy Guyton in a statement sent to WGBH News. State officials announced early in June that Massachusetts National Guard troops would be deployed to the border to support in security operations. One helicopter, aircrew, and military analysts from Massachusetts were set to head to the border at the end of June. The crew was to “provide aviation reconnaissance to offer an additional tool for observation and tracking of unlawful activity in the region,” according to the Mass National Guard. The cancellation comes amid increased scrutiny over the Trump Administration's practice of separating children from families at the border, in some cases detaining children in makeshift facilities and, in one facility in Texas, cages. The practice has been condemned by the United Nations, a coalition of Catholic bishops, and numerous public officials, including former First Lady Laura Bush. Previously, when asked about the Trump Administration’s practice of separation of children and families on Boston Public Radio in May, Baker said he had “ a huge problem with that.” A Republican taking action, one of the first to do so. And apparently this bill is being passed around, no republicans have signed on as you can see. But also the bill can also be interpreted that you can't separate families, so this might just cause them to detain whole families instead. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3036/text | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 19 2018 11:41 Plansix wrote: The deal making phase it coming. Soon we will be hearing how the democrats are not playing ball to stop the situation created solely by Trump. And I'm sure the dems will cave and try to pass off something like "children will be given access to a video feed of their parents and vice versa" as a progressive solution. | ||
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KwarK
United States42673 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On June 19 2018 11:41 Plansix wrote: The deal making phase it coming. Soon we will be hearing how the democrats are not playing ball to stop the situation created solely by Trump. As soon as they say fuck you to the stupid wall idea, this will happen. | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On June 19 2018 12:11 KwarK wrote: I think Cruz's plan is a step in the right direction. Yeah, I agree. I can't really see why any reasonable person would oppose it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 19 2018 12:29 mozoku wrote: Yeah, I agree. I can't really see why any reasonable person would oppose it. The devil will be in the details. The outline is good. But there are a lot of ways the bill could be poison pilled. We will have to see it’s final form. | ||
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