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On January 20 2021 11:35 Zambrah wrote:
How long do you think it'll take after tomorrow for Republicans to notice the thousands of daily deaths from the coronavirus in the US and go, "Joe Biden is causing thousands of deaths EVERY DAY!"
The first death after 12 pm will be “more blood spilled by socialist hands”
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Oh lord, Trump wants to start a third party, the Patriot's party.
Part of me desperately wants this to happen, I would love to see the parties in the US split and reform because as it is now they're both just wretched, and far, FAR too entrenched for the country's good.
On the other hand, this is a Donald Trump insurrectionist coup sort of party, which is pretty gross, and I don't particularly feel comfortable with the existence of that.
If this was a real opportunity to get America away from its two party bullshit system though, its probably worth it to split into 3 - 4 parties, given the other parties basically all agree that the Patriot Party sucks and they shouldn't align themselves with them. Unlikely given Republicans exist and they're so very good at banding together in spite of, well, any and everything Republicans do that conservatives at large disagree with on principle.
Probably won't amount to anything given how short Trump's attention span is and how inept he is at doing much of anything, but LAWD this could sow some interesting chaos if anything does come from it.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs
President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,” the people said.
Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters.
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On January 20 2021 11:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2021 11:35 Zambrah wrote:
How long do you think it'll take after tomorrow for Republicans to notice the thousands of daily deaths from the coronavirus in the US and go, "Joe Biden is causing thousands of deaths EVERY DAY!" The first death after 12 pm will be “more blood spilled by socialist hands”
Probably.
That being said, I think a reasonable assessment on the impact of any of Biden's Covid policies would be 1-1.5 months out for cases, and ~1.5-2 months for deaths, with the caveat that part of the reduction can be attributed to increasing vaccination rates. Even if orders go out at noon tomorrow, I think there will be significant hurdles ahead to getting Covid back under control.
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On January 20 2021 12:07 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2021 11:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 20 2021 11:35 Zambrah wrote:
How long do you think it'll take after tomorrow for Republicans to notice the thousands of daily deaths from the coronavirus in the US and go, "Joe Biden is causing thousands of deaths EVERY DAY!" The first death after 12 pm will be “more blood spilled by socialist hands” Probably. That being said, I think a reasonable assessment on the impact of any of Biden's Covid policies would be 1-1.5 months out for cases, and ~1.5-2 months for deaths, with the caveat that part of the reduction can be attributed to increasing vaccination rates. Even if orders go out at noon tomorrow, I think there will be significant hurdles ahead to getting Covid back under control.
You have republican governors say they would not follow any of Biden covid restrictions, those woke liberals can't tell them what to do. Going to be hard to judge Biden when half the country wants to dig there own graves.
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On January 20 2021 12:02 Zambrah wrote:Oh lord, Trump wants to start a third party, the Patriot's party. Part of me desperately wants this to happen, I would love to see the parties in the US split and reform because as it is now they're both just wretched, and far, FAR too entrenched for the country's good. On the other hand, this is a Donald Trump insurrectionist coup sort of party, which is pretty gross, and I don't particularly feel comfortable with the existence of that. If this was a real opportunity to get America away from its two party bullshit system though, its probably worth it to split into 3 - 4 parties, given the other parties basically all agree that the Patriot Party sucks and they shouldn't align themselves with them. Unlikely given Republicans exist and they're so very good at banding together in spite of, well, any and everything Republicans do that conservatives at large disagree with on principle. Probably won't amount to anything given how short Trump's attention span is and how inept he is at doing much of anything, but LAWD this could sow some interesting chaos if anything does come from it. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1BkbsShow nested quote +President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,” the people said.
Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters.
This is fantastic news and likely a tactic by Trump to avoid impeachment conviction. I think he’s threatening to burn the house down if republicans convict
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On January 20 2021 13:14 Shingi11 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2021 12:07 Amui wrote:On January 20 2021 11:43 Mohdoo wrote:On January 20 2021 11:35 Zambrah wrote:
How long do you think it'll take after tomorrow for Republicans to notice the thousands of daily deaths from the coronavirus in the US and go, "Joe Biden is causing thousands of deaths EVERY DAY!" The first death after 12 pm will be “more blood spilled by socialist hands” Probably. That being said, I think a reasonable assessment on the impact of any of Biden's Covid policies would be 1-1.5 months out for cases, and ~1.5-2 months for deaths, with the caveat that part of the reduction can be attributed to increasing vaccination rates. Even if orders go out at noon tomorrow, I think there will be significant hurdles ahead to getting Covid back under control. You have republican governors say they would not follow any of Biden covid restrictions, those woke liberals can't tell them what to do. Going to be hard to judge Biden when half the country wants to dig there own graves.
It didn't stop Republicans from blaming Obama for the economic crisis that percolated from 8 years of Bush's policies, that he subsequently mitigated. It didn't stop them from blaming Democrats for the ACA after they summarily sabotaged it, and turned it into the bad solution to an even worse problem that it is now. Republicans are always happy to light the fire on their way out and blame the Democrats that have to deal with it.
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On January 20 2021 13:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2021 12:02 Zambrah wrote:Oh lord, Trump wants to start a third party, the Patriot's party. Part of me desperately wants this to happen, I would love to see the parties in the US split and reform because as it is now they're both just wretched, and far, FAR too entrenched for the country's good. On the other hand, this is a Donald Trump insurrectionist coup sort of party, which is pretty gross, and I don't particularly feel comfortable with the existence of that. If this was a real opportunity to get America away from its two party bullshit system though, its probably worth it to split into 3 - 4 parties, given the other parties basically all agree that the Patriot Party sucks and they shouldn't align themselves with them. Unlikely given Republicans exist and they're so very good at banding together in spite of, well, any and everything Republicans do that conservatives at large disagree with on principle. Probably won't amount to anything given how short Trump's attention span is and how inept he is at doing much of anything, but LAWD this could sow some interesting chaos if anything does come from it. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1BkbsPresident Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,” the people said.
Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters. This is fantastic news and likely a tactic by Trump to avoid impeachment conviction. I think he’s threatening to burn the house down if republicans convict
I think the Republican party is going to be in terrible shape no matter what the outcome of the trial is to be honest. This adds more fuel to the fire though and might even give Republicans more reason to convict. Trump's new party won't mean shit if he gets convicted and can't hold public office anymore. Trump is trying to bully Republicans into submission when his ultimatum almost gives them more incentive to vote against him.
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Steve Bannon was pardoned by Trump, along with Lil Wayne (lol) and former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Maggie Haberman says there was a last minute decision to pardon Bannon when Trump's aides were convinced he wouldn't go with it. Why? Because "Bannon could be useful to him in some way in the future and that the people who hate Bannon - the establishment - have now turned against Trump in some way, and he needs to have someone on his side." The Reuters report says there should be no pardons for himself, his family or for Guiliani.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pardons/as-he-leaves-office-trump-pardons-former-top-strategist-bannon-idUSKBN29P0BE
None for Joe Exotic (again, lol), Snowden and Assange. You'd think he'd give Assange a bone here for all the inadvertent help he got against Hillary through WikiLeaks.
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I wouldn't. Look at all of the 143 (jesus christ) pardons. They're all either people of wealth, political power or economic power who can help Trump personally. Its basically a rich person/conservative political operative pardon list, these people are practically buying their pardons by being who they are. If Trump wants to start a new political party grift operation, he needs these types of people and influencers.
How does Joe Exotic, Assange or Snowden repay Trump for any pardon? Joe Exotic is broke and his 10 minutes of fame is over, Snowden has no real influence anymore and neither does Assange except with the fringe tankie left.
Considering the sheer number of pardons and the amount of bullshit reasons for them, I never want any conservative talk about the rule of law ever again. They're all either lacking in balls to do or say anything about Trump's pardon history or really don't care about rule of law so long as it helps their kind and their kind only. That's really the history of the Trump presidency: conservatives letting the dog chase the car they're driving until the dog catches up to the car, which then they promptly blame Antifa and the left for implanting bionic legs in the dog.
I guarantee you then start moaning about the CONSTITUTION and RULE OF LAW the minute Biden becomes president and starts ramming shit through with executive orders. Even how they did fuck all to defend either of the two when they had the majority and their guy was president.
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On January 20 2021 08:04 Uldridge wrote:
@Ciaus_Dronu
How is fusion speculative? They are getting it more or less cost-efficient with energy output presently iirc. We're going to see great advances in the following 10-20 years imo. And I'm not saying we need to wait, definitely not, I just don't see the "green solutions" becoming the solution we should put all these resources in. I think we could do better without creating humongous fields of solar panels just eek out a droplet of what nuclear ever could. By the way, people take into account the supply chain of these "green technologies"? Do people take into account which materials are used, how they are assembled, how and how far they are transported, what their functional life time is and how they are processed after their use?
I wonder if anyone has a detailed account of how those things map out in regards to the net carbon footprint of solar panels for example.
It's speculative because we do not yet have a single nuclear fusion reactor part as part of any world's electricity grid, and we don't know when we will.
Believing fusion is part of any vaguely-in-time green energy solution requires some amount of blind faith / guessing about the timeline by which it will be workable, affordable and a large part of the world's power supply.
Solar power is also improving.
The difference is that it is already here.
Sadly the world seems allergic to nuclear fission power, but that's also here and something that I think could be used much more extensively than it currently is. It's a damn side better than coal however you slice it, and if were worried about greener power in the near future, it's probably a much better place to be doing research than fusion is.
Apologies for any snappiness in my original reply. This is an immensely frustrating topic and a fair number of the posts here amount to some or other justification for not having to actually make any of the difficult lifestyle and politics changes that, IMO, have to happen in order to mitigate climate change.
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Why is the pardon a thing again? It’s a pretty big country, was it supposed to be a thing for the President to correct actual miscarriages of justice that may have slipped through the net or what?
As with almost anything else Trump’s usage of it has been absolutely bloody heinous but it seems a deeply flawed mechanism in the first place.
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While i do have high hopes for fusion it needs to be said that we are still many years away (if it happens at all).
-First Plasma in ITER is planned for 2025
-Full scale oparation of ITER planned for 2035
-ITER planned output is 500MW and operation cost of 50MW for 450MW gain
https://www.iter.org/faq#collapsible_7
And ITER is second biggest project in history of mankind (after ISS). At this point no fusion reactor has produced net energy gain and longest achieved plasma lasted 6 minutes 30 seconds. We still dont know if we will be able to hold constant plasma and achieve net energy. Theory is there but practice is proving difficult. I do hope that ITER problems come from the fact that we are doing something new and once we pave the way future fusion reactors will be cheaper and easier to built, but even if that is the case they still will be terribly expansive.
Thus in my opinion we cannot rely on some miracle thinking that fusion will solve everything. It will not, at least not in next 30 years. We need to think about other solutions other energy sources and limiting usage. Wishful thinking wont save us.
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On January 20 2021 19:21 Silvanel wrote:While i do have high hopes for fusion it needs to be said that we are still many years away (if it happens at all). -First Plasma in ITER is planned for 2025 -Full scale oparation of ITER planned for 2035 -ITER planned output is 500MW and operation cost of 50MW for 450MW gain https://www.iter.org/faq#collapsible_7And ITER is second biggest project in history of mankind (after ISS). At this point no fusion reactor has produced net energy gain and longest achieved plasma lasted 6 minutes 30 seconds. We still dont know if we will be able to hold constant plasma and achieve net energy. Theory is there but practice is proving difficult. I do hope that ITER problems come from the fact that we are doing something new and once we pave the way future fusion reactors will be cheaper and easier to built, but even if that is the case they still will be terribly expansive. Thus in my opinion we cannot rely on some miracle thinking that fusion will solve everything. It will not, at least not in next 30 years. We need to think about other solutions other energy sources and limiting usage. Wishful thinking wont save us.
Fusion energy has always been 10-20 years away since we started having a go at it in the 50's.
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The idea that we should just 'wait for fusion power' is nothing short of criminal. There is no guarantee that it will ever become feasible, and we certainly don't know how long it will take to roll out fusion power plants at sufficient scale even if we ever manage to get them to work. To even suggest risking the future of our planet and pretty much humanity as a species on the hopes that we'll get there before we destroy our biosphere entirely is absolutely insane.
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In a final act, the 'stop the steal' and 'drain the swamp' president pardons Steve Bannon who literally stole from and defrauded MAGA supporters.
Four years of 'Only the best people'
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Steve Bannon, Elliot Broidy, and Kwame Kilpatrick appear to be the worst pardons/commutations, and also Lil Wayne got one haha
So far so good on the inauguration front, fortress DC is quiet
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So Trump's last action seems to have been rescinding an executive order forbidding former white house employee to go into lobbying.
Drain the swamp, will tell you!
What a joke
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Trump has officially left the White House for the last time.
Good riddance.
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On January 20 2021 14:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:Steve Bannon was pardoned by Trump, along with Lil Wayne (lol) and former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Maggie Haberman says there was a last minute decision to pardon Bannon when Trump's aides were convinced he wouldn't go with it. Why? Because "Bannon could be useful to him in some way in the future and that the people who hate Bannon - the establishment - have now turned against Trump in some way, and he needs to have someone on his side." The Reuters report says there should be no pardons for himself, his family or for Guiliani. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pardons/as-he-leaves-office-trump-pardons-former-top-strategist-bannon-idUSKBN29P0BENone for Joe Exotic (again, lol), Snowden and Assange. You'd think he'd give Assange a bone here for all the inadvertent help he got against Hillary through WikiLeaks.
He really can't do anything right, can he?
Literally everyone who informed themselves knows the cases against whistleblowers are about protecting corruption and when he has a super easy chance to once actually do something against the swamp that's in everyone's faces he swings and misses.
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Trump has been shafted so many times by whistleblowers that there was 0 chances he'd pardon some.
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