US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2837

On November 19 2020 03:25 Sermokala wrote:
I find it hard to argue that without the pandemic that he wouldn't have won pretty easily. It's clear that until there was an actual crisis that people were pretty okay with sticking with him.

It's clear hes trying to start fires that'll make it hard politically for a coward like Biden to put out.

On November 19 2020 02:33 NewSunshine wrote:
Now that his momentum is finally about to well and truly run dry, keep an eye out for R's claiming to have never really supported him. The Republican's methodology has 100% consisted of rallying behind whoever gains momentum, turning their moral compass on a dime, and then claiming to have never known or supported them when they finally disappear. They're going to hope people don't remember they rallied behind an open Fascist and White Supremacist.

On November 19 2020 00:29 Salazarz wrote:


My point is, it makes little sense (to me, at least) trying to point out whatever 'problems' with the laws and regulations that allow Trump to get away with doing this or that, when someone like him probably shouldn't have been a president in the first place, and certainly shouldn't have the confidence or support of a significant percent of the country's population and what effectively is (at least for the time being) the majority of the government apparatus. In a situation like this, it's not really about any specific rules or lack of thereof in the US governance, it's about the fact that the US government as a structure is entirely unfit to fulfill the role it is supposed to be fulfilling and no amount of tinkering with individual rules would make a genuine difference. The tiger analogy above is very apt -- the problem isn't that there aren't enough rules to control Trump, it's that it is more important for GoP and the Republicans to 'win' than it is to run their country in a reasonable fashion. No law can fix that.

On November 19 2020 03:51 Fleetfeet wrote:


I think this is true in a world where the US population at large recognizes him as a fascist and white supremacist, and recognizes these as undesirable things. I don't think we live in that world, and this election being closer than the landslide some of us expected is pretty good evidence that we're not super close to that world, either. Something compels people to vote for Trump, and I don't actually think it's knowing support of fascism or white supremacy that accounts for the majority of it.

On November 19 2020 04:14 Danglars wrote:

The guy that improves past Republican margins among minorities and women needs better analysis than blaming racist blacks & Latinos and misogynist women for the victory.

According to exit polling, Trump’s “open fascist and white supremacist” did better with women, blacks, and Latinos, and worse only among white men, when comparing with 2016. It appears deductive from what should have happened based on personal analysis, rather than deductive from what actually happened from the voting electorate.

On November 19 2020 02:37 3 Lions wrote:

I don't think this will happen. If anything, this election (and 2016) demonstrates that he actually has a stronger base amongst Republicans than any other candidate that they can put forward.
Hard for Republicans to turn against him if he's their most likely candidate in 2024.

On November 19 2020 04:58 Danglars wrote:
Google the exit polls. Trump increased his vote share from 2016 among basically everyone except white me. In theory, four years of overt white supremacy should have lost support among minorities and gained among white men. If that’s even an election aspect worth talking about/adjudicating.

On November 19 2020 04:58 Danglars wrote:
Google the exit polls. Trump increased his vote share from 2016 among basically everyone except white me. In theory, four years of overt white supremacy should have lost support among minorities and gained among white men. If that’s even an election aspect worth talking about/adjudicating.

On November 19 2020 04:31 Slydie wrote:
Calling names like "racist", "white supremacist" and "racist" is only going to fire up Trump's, and won't solve any problems.

Remember how arrogant Trump supporters were acting in 2016? It is going to be difficult, but it is time to be better and treat the 72 million losers with respect.

The only way out of this mess is to focus on what brings US citizens together.

On November 19 2020 05:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:


I don't think I quite agree with this take yet, just because of the sheer amount of places that flipped from Trump in 2016 to Biden in 2020.

The amount of split ticket voting against Trump but for Republican House and Senate candidates was pretty huge (so much so that it's one of the things Trump incorrectly claims is evidence of voter fraud), as was the voting for state-level positions. To me that's a sign the party might not be quite so enthused with him as you would expect; even if his base is more motivated, the never-Trumpers seem to also have been energized.

We will see in 2024 though. I still am not sure he will run, if only because I don't think that as an overgrown baby he has the mental strength to do any of this again. It's much easier to just play kingmaker and continue grifting and tweeting on the side.



This is probably the worst time in history to use exit polling for pretty much anything-even the ones correcting for COVID problems are basically just doing guesswork. It would be a miracle if exit polls didn't show him expanding his margins in most groups when he specifically told all his supporters not to vote by mail.

Some of the registration stuff points in this direction, but even that is tough to parse given the fact registration is far from a perfect method for predicting voting behavior.