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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
October 02 2020 03:26 GMT
#53761
On October 02 2020 11:13 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 11:05 Fleetfeet wrote:
On October 02 2020 10:57 WarSame wrote:
Please stop, you're hurting Danglars' ability to whatabout. Don't you realize that some people throwing bricks at buildings are the real enemy, not the POTUS inciting a civil war? They have the real power!


Genuine question - is it still whataboutism if Danglars has openly condemned the Proud Boys?

I think Danglars' frustration comes from us being much, much slower to condemn antifa (I know I sure am) despite them (whatever 'them' means) engaging in violence and vandalism. I can appreciate that frustration.

Props to JimmiC for that post, though. I didn't know that Biden had openly spoken out about the violence. I'm assuming that's the statement that I've heard talked about as coming too late / only after consideration, though?

Yes it still is, because Antifa for all the reasons outlined in various is not nearly the threat of groups like the proud boys. And the goal is to distract from Trump. We can discuss it separately but as the quotes show it is not a issue.

It is completely made up. Danglars does not fact check his "news" sources (which I guess kinda makes sense if you think it is news) but they continually leave out extremely perinate issues over and over.

I find it impossible to take it in good faith that Danglars believes that Biden supports antifa when he participates in this thread and gets his jollies insulting Biden with the people in our thread that would be most most likely to be part of antifa and support them. They hate Biden for not being left enough, for not being radical enough, for being a vote for no change. This is just his standard move of pretending to be reasonable and laying on the manufactured outrage at 10 while ignoring all the actual facts that disagree with his version.


Gotcha. I was taking Danglars' message to be along the lines of "Antifa is/has been harmful and should be disavowed on those grounds" and was not seeing the connection to Biden or Proud Boys, so I wasn't seeing the whataboutism in this particular round of conversation.

Upon re-reading it (I'd missed some posts) I can see where the charge of whataboutism is coming from, and again think your rebuttal was pretty fair and on-point.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 02 2020 03:29 GMT
#53762


Well, Hope Hicks has a confirmed case, so Trump's in quarantine for now. He's going to be in rough shape if he actually has it as an obese old man.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 02 2020 03:44 GMT
#53763
Boris Johnson had it and doesn't seem to be much worse off now.

I just realized how many national leaders are obese old men. Is JT the most fit national leader in the world? He must be up there and he's not even that fit!
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
October 02 2020 03:49 GMT
#53764
On October 02 2020 12:44 WarSame wrote:
Boris Johnson had it and doesn't seem to be much worse off now.

I just realized how many national leaders are obese old men. Is JT the most fit national leader in the world? He must be up there and he's not even that fit!


Isn't Johnson 20 years younger?
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 02 2020 03:53 GMT
#53765
On October 02 2020 12:49 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 12:44 WarSame wrote:
Boris Johnson had it and doesn't seem to be much worse off now.

I just realized how many national leaders are obese old men. Is JT the most fit national leader in the world? He must be up there and he's not even that fit!


Isn't Johnson 20 years younger?

Jesus Christ I did not realize that. I thought he was like 70.

I also always forget just how old Trump is. I guess his bright orange makeup is pretty effective at making you forget he's ancient.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 02 2020 04:34 GMT
#53766
Just take a closer look at the (spray?) tan lines visible on a bunch of pictures, the actual colour of his skin is somewhere around Vader without the helmet. To be fair, that happens when you are old. It ain't pretty but what are you gonna do.

But on a different note, him being now in quarantine for like 10 days after a medium size fiasco of a debate performance(for Trump standards) does not bode well. And that's assuming he has not contracted it.

We are a month before the actual election, he is supposed to gain ground and not lose any to keep up in the race. Add to that the almost daily barrage of terrible news for him:

--->the outrageous tax story,

--->as of july 2020 former campaign manager Parscale being suicidal and beating his wife - AND allegedly stealing massive amounts of campaign funds

--->leaked Melania tapes where she is disparaging Christmas and her duties for decoration at the white house

And that's is just the stuff that makes the headlines in the last couple of DAYS. Wilbur Ross facing contempt proceedings for defying a court order for meddling with the 2020 census is not even on the menu.

Meanwhile covid is on the rise, people are hurting, and there is no national plan or leadership in sight. Trump might on a rare occasion have told the truth at the debate, this is not going to end well. (He said it in terms of an unsubstantiated claim of his crusade against mail in ballots but you get the gist.)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 02 2020 04:48 GMT
#53767
On October 02 2020 12:44 WarSame wrote:
Boris Johnson had it and doesn't seem to be much worse off now.

I just realized how many national leaders are obese old men. Is JT the most fit national leader in the world? He must be up there and he's not even that fit!

The idea that trump isn’t getting antibody plasma is laughable. Dude’s been fine for a long time. This is all theater
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 05:08:09
October 02 2020 05:06 GMT
#53768
Trump and Melania have both tested positive for COVID.

I always thought there was a pretty high possibility that one of the candidates was going to get it, and Trump's open air rallies without masks were basically begging for him to get it.

He's very high risk based on his age, diet, and weight. That said, it's completely random sometimes as to who is strongly impacted or not by it.

PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 06:36:15
October 02 2020 05:19 GMT
#53769
He's had some close calls with rallies and eating at the same table with one of Bolsonaro's aides who tested positive, so doesn't exactly surprise me. Despite his health concerns like age and the speculated obesity, I feel Trump is fine. He has access to the finest medical treatment available and COVID also has many asymptomatic cases or relatively mild ones. So... I guess the next debates are cancelled?

I hope Biden is getting frequent testing because while they did distance the debate stands quite a bit, all that spittle and shouting is a great way to spread the virus I'd think.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 02 2020 05:19 GMT
#53770
On October 02 2020 14:06 Nevuk wrote:
Trump and Melania have both tested positive for COVID.

I always thought there was a pretty high possibility that one of the candidates was going to get it, and Trump's open air rallies without masks were basically begging for him to get it.

He's very high risk based on his age, diet, and weight. That said, it's completely random sometimes as to who is strongly impacted or not by it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

He’ll be stuffed full of biologically similar plasma from newly recovered patients and be just fine
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
October 02 2020 05:22 GMT
#53771
Yeah he is guaranteed the most advanced medical care on the planet. He will likely be fine.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 02 2020 05:22 GMT
#53772
Yeesh, that's a helluva plot twist for 2020. Not unsurprising, but he's definitely the most high profile world leader to have caught it. He's also one of the worst off. Risk factors for sure are obesity and age, and most likely poor nutrition. He's also in poor physical shape, given that he does little exercise.

There's a helluva hoax if I've seen one.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 05:26:01
October 02 2020 05:24 GMT
#53773
On October 02 2020 14:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 14:06 Nevuk wrote:
Trump and Melania have both tested positive for COVID.

I always thought there was a pretty high possibility that one of the candidates was going to get it, and Trump's open air rallies without masks were basically begging for him to get it.

He's very high risk based on his age, diet, and weight. That said, it's completely random sometimes as to who is strongly impacted or not by it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

He’ll be stuffed full of biologically similar plasma from newly recovered patients and be just fine

Does that guarantee recovery?

There's also the fact that he seems to not understand medicine in the slightest, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he just ... refuses a known cure.

Access to and making use of best medical care are different things. The man has really bad judgement issues on medical treatment, as we've seen in the past year.

edit:
Oh, and having spent the past 9 months attacking every expert on COVID-19 may make it hard for him to get the same level of care as previous presidents.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 02 2020 05:26 GMT
#53774
While I'm sure he'd get the best care you could get, I don't know that that really makes you immune to disease somehow. As a somewhat analogous case, Boris Johnson had a worrisome saga with his infection, with a brief point in time when survival wasn't really guaranteed. If he were 20 years older, I'm sure he'd be dead by now despite being an important politician.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 02 2020 05:27 GMT
#53775
Wow. 2020 indeed. Mocking Biden for wearing a mask took a very ugly turn for himself there.

I hope he recovers. I want his presidency ended, not him as a human being.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 02 2020 05:37 GMT
#53776
On October 02 2020 14:24 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2020 14:19 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 02 2020 14:06 Nevuk wrote:
Trump and Melania have both tested positive for COVID.

I always thought there was a pretty high possibility that one of the candidates was going to get it, and Trump's open air rallies without masks were basically begging for him to get it.

He's very high risk based on his age, diet, and weight. That said, it's completely random sometimes as to who is strongly impacted or not by it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311892190680014849

He’ll be stuffed full of biologically similar plasma from newly recovered patients and be just fine

Does that guarantee recovery?

There's also the fact that he seems to not understand medicine in the slightest, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he just ... refuses a known cure.

Access to and making use of best medical care are different things. The man has really bad judgement issues on medical treatment, as we've seen in the past year.

edit:
Oh, and having spent the past 9 months attacking every expert on COVID-19 may make it hard for him to get the same level of care as previous presidents.


I'm sure professional responsibility overrides any personal feelings about who you're treating. The standard of care for a VIP like Trump is going to be as good as it gets.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 02 2020 05:38 GMT
#53777
Yeah I hope he recovers too to face election loss and then justice for various crimes. Hard to feel very sorry for him when he's been doing huge indoor rallies with people he discourages from wearing masks. I wonder if like Johnson he will treat covid seriously after experiencing it himself.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8928 Posts
October 02 2020 05:41 GMT
#53778
its gonna be so easy for biden to call trump out on his dumbass covid treatment advice when trump himself doesnt take it.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 02 2020 05:47 GMT
#53779
On October 02 2020 14:41 evilfatsh1t wrote:
its gonna be so easy for biden to call trump out on his dumbass covid treatment advice when trump himself doesnt take it.


Bolsonaro had covid and still claimed that hydroxychloroquine worked for him. Trump can say whatever he wants about his own treatment--it's not like people can easily fact-check that.
kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
368 Posts
October 02 2020 06:06 GMT
#53780
One time pls
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