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IgnE
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Jankisa
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![[image loading]](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/INTERACTIVE-US-federal-deficit-over-time-EDIT-MAY5-2025-1747665363.png) Makes it so funny when our resident right wingers claim that they are worried about deficits and shit on Democrats about the economy, I mean, how can you say shit like this with a straight face, look at those spikes under Regan, Bush Jr. and Trump, it's hilarious. | ||
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KwarK
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We are taking in Trillions of Dollars and will soon begin paying down our ENORMOUS DEBT, $37 Trillion. In the 11 months since writing that the total debt, the amount that has been accumulating for decades, has grown by about 10%.More in less than a year than Obama in 2012-2016, and with a stronger economy. Despite asserting that he’d received trillions and would be paying it down. | ||
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dyhb
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On October 07 2026 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The purpose of Israel's existence is to increase world-wide military spending?As I've said before the purpose of Israel's existence is to increase world wide military spending. The powers that control the world created a border designed to create military conflict. So Israel is a factor. After 80 years it gets a little tiring listening to Western media act shocked and stunned the 585868th time Israel ends up in a dust up of some kind. You're about 2 millimeters away from a secret Jewish plot to earn more money for global Jewry. Any other global conspiracies we should know about besides the founding of Israel and the assassination of John Kennedy? Maybe some of the Federal Reserve ones, or 9/11, or the moon landing? | ||
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oBlade
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On October 07 2026 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote: As I've said before the purpose of Israel's existence is to increase world wide military spending. The powers that control the world created a border designed to create military conflict. So Israel is a factor. After 80 years it gets a little tiring listening to Western media act shocked and stunned the 585868th time Israel ends up in a dust up of some kind. We both agree with Eisenhower The purpose of Israel's existence is for Jewish people to have someplace in the world where they can guarantee they won't be genocided after suffering one of the 3 worst genocides in history after thousands of years of persecution. The fact that the borders created conflict is incidental because almost any borders drawn in the Middle East did that meaning it probably isn't the borders per se. Very early in the modern state's history, the exact opposite of what you think is true, happened. They COULDN'T get arms from the West. They would have lost the 1948 war but for arms support from the Eastern Bloc. After that it was France for a long time (again not the US MIC, that came eventually but that train of logic would lead someone to say the purpose of Saudi Arabia's existence is to increase global arms sales, and with stronger evidence, if money talks). | ||
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In a completely unrelated story, the Roman Catholic archdiocese of St. Louis sues ICE officials for blocking Mass for Catholic detainees: https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-courts/article_1596a9d9-fecb-409f-8c45-8788de3dd639.html | ||
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EnDeR_
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On October 06 2026 23:09 Simberto wrote: I know that GH can be exhausting, but generally speaking i don't think it would be such a bad idea to hold manufacturers and sellers somewhat responsible for what people do with the weapons they sell to them. I meant it in the trivially true sense. Any nation that produced weapons knowingly supplied weapons to X for Y atrocity, for a given definition of atrocity. It's an empty statement. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On October 07 2026 06:08 EnDeR_ wrote: I meant it in the trivially true sense. Any nation that produced weapons knowingly supplied weapons to X for Y atrocity, for a given definition of atrocity. It's an empty statement. So basically "Yes" to this: On October 06 2026 22:55 GreenHorizons wrote: Meaning what? [Circumventing Congressional prohibitions while] Aiding and abetting the mass slaughter of civilians shouldn't be a crime against humanity that the ostensible "leader of the free world" should be held accountable for? | ||
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Billyboy
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Do you agree across political lines? Because you are pretty pro weapons and violence when it comes to violent socialist revolutions. Who gets to be judge jury and executioner on these? Saying something is bad is not hard, it’s actual real world solutions that are difficult. Do you have one? Or even the start of one? | ||
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Billyboy
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Question: are you concerned about the out break in Russia? Trump: I am, the pneumonia plague, if you call it. That’s a disease we used to be able to control. But somehow those microbes have gotten stronger and smarter. They’re like an army. The germs have become relatively stronger then they were, and things that used to work on pneumonia don’t work as well any more. That’s pretty good for him, he mixed in some sciencey words and he almost got the disease correct. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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On October 07 2026 01:33 IgnE wrote: Wow the gang’s all still here. And we miss you! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On October 05 2026 21:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What criteria are you using to rank the performances of these presidents? a big factor for me in evaluating a country and its leaders is the answer to this question. "how quickly can a healthy member of the working poor workforce become middle class" to the extent a nation's leader makes this time faster and that path easier they have succeeded as a leader. I will provide an extreme example to make my point. I got kicked out of the house at 18 , 2 weeks before starting university. I went from working poor to middle class in 5 years. This was about average in the city and era in which i grew up. Now, it was not an easy 5 years.... i was not lounging around. Same applies to other people in my same boat in the city. I consider 5 years to be pretty damn fast relative to other countries and cities. This is an example of a place with great leaders. This is part of what makes Hazel Mccallion the greatest mayor in Canadian history. Now, the rebuttal might be... but what about the 92 year old cancer patient? Doesn't he or she count? What about their experience. Welp, you first need healthy hard working people to produce far more than they consume in order for that 92 year old cancer patient to get any free care. So, I care more about how a country treats its healthy hard working productive people than how it deals with its lost causes. Someone, somewhere must engage in productive effort. It is this productive effort that makes your nation possible. Therefore, IMO, Canada and the USA have failed its working poor in cities like NYC, Chicago and Toronto. The working poor have a brutal, long, and difficult path to becoming middle class. Decades ago it was much easier and faster. Luckily, I grew up in a time and in a city where it went from a 50,000 population to a 820,000 population. Everyone was coming from everywhere because there was big money to be made. It was a great time to be alive... and teh leaders like Mccallion, Chretien, Pierre Trudeau, Bill Davis, and Mike Harris all deserve tonnes of credit for making my path to a middle class life style as fast as possible. EDIT: Union leader Buzz Hargrove also deserves some credit as well. He was a Canadian Auto Worker leader. | ||
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Harris1st
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On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote: I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit: Makes it so funny when our resident right wingers claim that they are worried about deficits and shit on Democrats about the economy, I mean, how can you say shit like this with a straight face, look at those spikes under Regan, Bush Jr. and Trump, it's hilarious. You'll need a bigger scale very soon and you'll have the greatest and most beautiful debts. It's almost like blue means good and red means bad. Wonder what else those colors stand for... | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On October 07 2026 22:15 Billyboy wrote: Can I take this post as you conceding that Israel wasn’t created by the western Military industrial complex to sell more weapons? Or are you still just working on my history lesson? The MIC was extremely happy with all the military spending at the height of WW2. However, the powers-that-be all got together and agreed in this way... "guys, Let's be real here... too many people are dying. We can't continue killing at this scale. As amazing as military spending and weapons manufacturing is right now.. we can't keep this up... we're going to run out of .. umm .. "people". Yes, people, please remember guys we need people to drive us around and fly us around. We need people to maintain, build and clean our houses. We need people to fix our fleet of luxury automobiles etc." So the problem became: "how can we keep military spending sky high while killing a lot less people". The solution: "The Cold War. Of course Israel is doing its thing getting involved in 83739874 dust ups during that period". Ronald Reagan was great for this. That 1964 speech... man at the end of that speech I was like "dawg hand me a machine gun and point me at the Commies" Have you heard that entire speech from beginning to end? It is epic. Anyhow, the elite powers have succeeded in keeping military spending very high and military conflict deaths very low. military battle deaths during the past 20 years have been very low compared with the great-power wars of the 20th century, especially after adjusting for today’s much larger population. The qualification is that Ukraine has sharply reversed the downward trend since 2022, and global sources often report “battle-related deaths,” which can include both combatants and civilians killed during fighting—not exclusively uniformed soldiers. So, broadly speaking, until 2022 the Israel project was working. Military spending was sky high. Military conflict deaths and combat area related deaths were very low. Using military deaths alone, the Second World War killed roughly 1% of the entire world population in uniform. Averaged over six years, that is approximately 150–180 military deaths per 100,000 people every year. By comparison, the approximately 160,000 deaths from all organized violence in 2024 equal roughly 2 deaths per 100,000 people. Even the exceptionally violent year of 2022 was approximately 4 per 100,000. From roughly 1990 through 2021, battle deaths—especially deaths among Western military personnel—were historically low. This is great news. Amazing statistics like this seem to get lost in all the gloom and doom talk in this thread. On October 07 2026 03:11 LightSpectra wrote: If you cared about the national debt, you would be the most vote-blue-no-matter-who fanatic alive. You would be flying Bill Clinton flags off your car and moaning "DNC!" in bed. On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote: I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit: you should listen to Reagan's 1964 speech "A Time For Choosing". A lot of it is about how bad the USA's debt load was... it painted a dire picture for the USA's finances. Then notice how he spent money faster than they could chop down the trees to turn them into the paper needed to print the money. During the 1964 speech he makes it sound like the USA is going to go out of business. He becomes President in 1981 and starts spending money like crazy. | ||
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