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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17906 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-07 14:14:23
1 hour ago
#119941
On October 07 2026 23:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Jimmy posts were invented by Big Pharma to cause headaches and therefore sell more ibuprofen

Israel's military burden, relative to its tiny population, was gigantic in 1948. Of course, if you look at the crazy, stupid, unmaintainable "borders" that were agreed upon in 1948 it is pretty obvious why this is the case. The borders catalyze military conflict. meh.
Israel declared independence May 14th and its first military conflict began May 15th.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24379 Posts
59 minutes ago
#119942
On October 07 2026 23:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Jimmy posts were invented by Big Pharma to cause headaches and therefore sell more ibuprofen

Big Pharma doesn't want you to know this one simple trick to avoid those headaches...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6542 Posts
54 minutes ago
#119943
On October 07 2026 22:25 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote:
I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit:

[image loading]

Makes it so funny when our resident right wingers claim that they are worried about deficits and shit on Democrats about the economy, I mean, how can you say shit like this with a straight face, look at those spikes under Regan, Bush Jr. and Trump, it's hilarious.



You'll need a bigger scale very soon and you'll have the greatest and most beautiful debts.

It's almost like blue means good and red means bad. Wonder what else those colors stand for...


Thanks to the genius of the blue team and especially Bill Clinton displayed in the budget deficit/surplus percent line graph (LOL), there was an oasis of fiscal responsibility towards the end of his second term when debt owed to the public slightly decreased.

[image loading]

I mean, just imagine what the debt would look like WITHOUT that period of the adults being in charge.

We should move immediately to get a constitutional amendment to let Clinton back in. Probably only he's capable of doing it.

Oh, and of course, bring back the 105th and 106th Congresses at the time which were Republican majority. Let's bring them back if they aren't still there. Because you need Congress to pass budgets. I mean most of them are probably not a day past 90 years young.

Barring that, if not enough are still alive to be available, we could at least put our weights behind political forces that want to cut the size of government the way Clinton did, cut waste, cut spending. Wonder if any factions have tried that recently and if any others have rabidly opposed it.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46500 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-07 14:33:53
46 minutes ago
#119944
A woman in Tennessee, who had received the death penalty, was recently given her "lethal" injection... but she survived. Now she's on a ventilator in a hospital, receiving medical care:

Christa Pike, a Tennessee inmate, is conscious and speaking six days after her failed execution, according to a statement from her attorneys.

“Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care. Despite the severe damage she endured to her arms, she is still handcuffed and shackled to the bed. Her recovery is medically unprecedented. Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery,” her attorneys said in a statement.

Pike, who was sentenced to death for the 1995 murder of 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer, was to become the first woman executed in Tennessee in 200 years.

After surviving two ostensibly lethal doses of pentobarbital during her planned execution, she was transferred to a hospital where she was unconscious and placed on a ventilator, receiving lifesaving medical care.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/06/us/tennessee-execution-christa-pike


Now the question is: Do they try again?

With the astonishing news that Christa Pike is conscious, talking and making a "medically unprecedented" recovery following her botched execution, Tennessee is now facing a critical question: Will the state try to kill her again?

"Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care," her attorneys said in a statement on Oct. 6. "Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery."

So far, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee has not responded to repeated calls from Pike's attorneys and death penalty observers to commute her sentence to life in prison. That leaves open the possibility that Pike will face a second execution, even after her attorneys said the first attempt on Sept. 30 amounted to unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/10/06/tennessee-execution-christa-pike-second-attempt-botch/92127144007/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5030 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-07 14:44:28
29 minutes ago
#119945
On October 07 2026 23:18 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 22:25 Harris1st wrote:
On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote:
I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit:

[image loading]

Makes it so funny when our resident right wingers claim that they are worried about deficits and shit on Democrats about the economy, I mean, how can you say shit like this with a straight face, look at those spikes under Regan, Bush Jr. and Trump, it's hilarious.



You'll need a bigger scale very soon and you'll have the greatest and most beautiful debts.

It's almost like blue means good and red means bad. Wonder what else those colors stand for...


Thanks to the genius of the blue team and especially Bill Clinton displayed in the budget deficit/surplus percent line graph (LOL), there was an oasis of fiscal responsibility towards the end of his second term when debt owed to the public slightly decreased.

[image loading]

I mean, just imagine what the debt would look like WITHOUT that period of the adults being in charge.

We should move immediately to get a constitutional amendment to let Clinton back in. Probably only he's capable of doing it.

Oh, and of course, bring back the 105th and 106th Congresses at the time which were Republican majority. Let's bring them back if they aren't still there. Because you need Congress to pass budgets. I mean most of them are probably not a day past 90 years young.

Barring that, if not enough are still alive to be available, we could at least put our weights behind political forces that want to cut the size of government the way Clinton did, cut waste, cut spending. Wonder if any factions have tried that recently and if any others have rabidly opposed it.


I feel like we recently talked about this. Multiple times. You have to look at economic conditions as well as who controls congress. There is no party of fiscal responsibility, those that existed have ben driven out of Congress anyway. Politicians see surpluses as money to be spent. The idea that Dems are better on this are belied by looking at the sorry states they control. There will be no hard choices until those choices are unavoidable.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24379 Posts
28 minutes ago
#119946
On October 07 2026 23:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A woman in Tennessee, who had received the death penalty, was recently given her "lethal" injection... but she survived. Now she's on a ventilator in a hospital, receiving medical care:

Show nested quote +
Christa Pike, a Tennessee inmate, is conscious and speaking six days after her failed execution, according to a statement from her attorneys.

“Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care. Despite the severe damage she endured to her arms, she is still handcuffed and shackled to the bed. Her recovery is medically unprecedented. Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery,” her attorneys said in a statement.

Pike, who was sentenced to death for the 1995 murder of 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer, was to become the first woman executed in Tennessee in 200 years.

After surviving two ostensibly lethal doses of pentobarbital during her planned execution, she was transferred to a hospital where she was unconscious and placed on a ventilator, receiving lifesaving medical care.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/06/us/tennessee-execution-christa-pike

Now the question is: Do they try again?

Show nested quote +
With the astonishing news that Christa Pike is conscious, talking and making a "medically unprecedented" recovery following her botched execution, Tennessee is now facing a critical question: Will the state try to kill her again?

"Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care," her attorneys said in a statement on Oct. 6. "Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery."

So far, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee has not responded to repeated calls from Pike's attorneys and death penalty observers to commute her sentence to life in prison. That leaves open the possibility that Pike will face a second execution, even after her attorneys said the first attempt on Sept. 30 amounted to unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/10/06/tennessee-execution-christa-pike-second-attempt-botch/92127144007/

It takes a remarkably sadistic/vindictive society/government to try and kill someone as punishment for murdering someone 30+ years ago. Nevermind that they've been kept in solitary confinement (which is torture) for ~30 years waiting to be killed.

Makes Trump's plans to kill by firing squad seem quaint and practical by comparison.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States773 Posts
17 minutes ago
#119947
On October 07 2026 22:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 22:15 Billyboy wrote:
Can I take this post as you conceding that Israel wasn’t created by the western Military industrial complex to sell more weapons? Or are you still just working on my history lesson?

The MIC was extremely happy with all the military spending at the height of WW2. However, the powers-that-be all got together and agreed in this way...

"guys, Let's be real here... too many people are dying. We can't continue killing at this scale. As amazing as military spending and weapons manufacturing is right now.. we can't keep this up... we're going to run out of .. umm .. "people". Yes, people, please remember guys we need people to drive us around and fly us around. We need people to maintain, build and clean our houses. We need people to fix our fleet of luxury automobiles etc."

So the problem became: "how can we keep military spending sky high while killing a lot less people". The solution: "The Cold War. Of course Israel is doing its thing getting involved in 83739874 dust ups during that period".

Ronald Reagan was great for this. That 1964 speech... man at the end of that speech I was like "dawg hand me a machine gun and point me at the Commies"

Have you heard that entire speech from beginning to end? It is epic.

Anyhow, the elite powers have succeeded in keeping military spending very high and military conflict deaths very low.

Show nested quote +
military battle deaths during the past 20 years have been very low compared with the great-power wars of the 20th century, especially after adjusting for today’s much larger population.
The qualification is that Ukraine has sharply reversed the downward trend since 2022, and global sources often report “battle-related deaths,” which can include both combatants and civilians killed during fighting—not exclusively uniformed soldiers.

So, broadly speaking, until 2022 the Israel project was working. Military spending was sky high. Military conflict deaths and combat area related deaths were very low.

Show nested quote +
Using military deaths alone, the Second World War killed roughly 1% of the entire world population in uniform. Averaged over six years, that is approximately 150–180 military deaths per 100,000 people every year.
By comparison, the approximately 160,000 deaths from all organized violence in 2024 equal roughly 2 deaths per 100,000 people. Even the exceptionally violent year of 2022 was approximately 4 per 100,000.


Show nested quote +
From roughly 1990 through 2021, battle deaths—especially deaths among Western military personnel—were historically low.

This is great news. Amazing statistics like this seem to get lost in all the gloom and doom talk in this thread.
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 03:11 LightSpectra wrote:
If you cared about the national debt, you would be the most vote-blue-no-matter-who fanatic alive. You would be flying Bill Clinton flags off your car and moaning "DNC!" in bed.

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote:
I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit:

you should listen to Reagan's 1964 speech "A Time For Choosing". A lot of it is about how bad the USA's debt load was... it painted a dire picture for the USA's finances. Then notice how he spent money faster than they could chop down the trees to turn them into the paper needed to print the money.
During the 1964 speech he makes it sound like the USA is going to go out of business. He becomes President in 1981 and starts spending money like crazy.
The world’s leaders getting together to decide on a Cold War to benefit weapons manufacturers is just making up another unsupported conspiracy theory when you have nothing to show for the last one.

Please also claim that Gaza and the West Bank were created by the military industrial complex to make money off wars. You’re being too Western-centric in your batshit crazy theories.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2479 Posts
15 minutes ago
#119948
On October 07 2026 22:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 22:15 Billyboy wrote:
Can I take this post as you conceding that Israel wasn’t created by the western Military industrial complex to sell more weapons? Or are you still just working on my history lesson?

The MIC was extremely happy with all the military spending at the height of WW2. However, the powers-that-be all got together and agreed in this way...

"guys, Let's be real here... too many people are dying. We can't continue killing at this scale. As amazing as military spending and weapons manufacturing is right now.. we can't keep this up... we're going to run out of .. umm .. "people". Yes, people, please remember guys we need people to drive us around and fly us around. We need people to maintain, build and clean our houses. We need people to fix our fleet of luxury automobiles etc."

So the problem became: "how can we keep military spending sky high while killing a lot less people". The solution: "The Cold War. Of course Israel is doing its thing getting involved in 83739874 dust ups during that period".

Ronald Reagan was great for this. That 1964 speech... man at the end of that speech I was like "dawg hand me a machine gun and point me at the Commies"

Have you heard that entire speech from beginning to end? It is epic.

Anyhow, the elite powers have succeeded in keeping military spending very high and military conflict deaths very low.

Show nested quote +
military battle deaths during the past 20 years have been very low compared with the great-power wars of the 20th century, especially after adjusting for today’s much larger population.
The qualification is that Ukraine has sharply reversed the downward trend since 2022, and global sources often report “battle-related deaths,” which can include both combatants and civilians killed during fighting—not exclusively uniformed soldiers.

So, broadly speaking, until 2022 the Israel project was working. Military spending was sky high. Military conflict deaths and combat area related deaths were very low.

Show nested quote +
Using military deaths alone, the Second World War killed roughly 1% of the entire world population in uniform. Averaged over six years, that is approximately 150–180 military deaths per 100,000 people every year.
By comparison, the approximately 160,000 deaths from all organized violence in 2024 equal roughly 2 deaths per 100,000 people. Even the exceptionally violent year of 2022 was approximately 4 per 100,000.


Show nested quote +
From roughly 1990 through 2021, battle deaths—especially deaths among Western military personnel—were historically low.

This is great news. Amazing statistics like this seem to get lost in all the gloom and doom talk in this thread.
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 03:11 LightSpectra wrote:
If you cared about the national debt, you would be the most vote-blue-no-matter-who fanatic alive. You would be flying Bill Clinton flags off your car and moaning "DNC!" in bed.

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 02:36 Jankisa wrote:
I was always aware of how bad Republicans are for the economy, but I came across this graph showing just how fucking horrible they have been for the deficit:

you should listen to Reagan's 1964 speech "A Time For Choosing". A lot of it is about how bad the USA's debt load was... it painted a dire picture for the USA's finances. Then notice how he spent money faster than they could chop down the trees to turn them into the paper needed to print the money.
During the 1964 speech he makes it sound like the USA is going to go out of business. He becomes President in 1981 and starts spending money like crazy.

That was insane rambling and loose connections, most of which were long after the creation of Israel. Is this all your Candace owens stuff spewing out?

Again, can you give me a history lesson about how the creation of Israel was so the MIC could sell more weapons?
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3282 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-07 15:10:34
11 minutes ago
#119949
On October 07 2026 23:43 Introvert wrote:
I feel like we recently talked about this. Multiple times. You have to look at economic conditions as well as who controls congress.


"Republicans need to deficit spend more to fix the economies they crashed" isn't a very compelling argument to vote for them because of the deficit.

Politicians see surpluses as money to be spent.


If this were true the deficit would have increased, not decreased, under every Democratic president.

The idea that Dems are better on this are belied by looking at the sorry states they control.


Let's look at the debt/GDP for the biggest five solid red and solid blue states (I'm counting Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, and Arizona as purple states).

California - 2.7%
New York - 2.4%
Illinois - 2.5%
New Jersey - 4.9%
Washington - 3.8%

Texas - 2.5%
Florida - 0.9%
Ohio - 4.1%
Georgia - 1.6%
Tennessee - 2.5%

truly a vast gulf in difference, lol. But it might become pretty staggering when you realize 1) the schools, public infrastructure, etc. are all vastly better in those five blue states [so not only do state Democrats spend about the same amount of money as state Republicans, they're getting much better shit for what they spend it on], and 2) those five blue states net contribute more to the federal budget than the five red states by a lot. Meaning if federal taxes and spending were more equitably distributed, Republicans are even worse.

There will be no hard choices until those choices are unavoidable.


There will be no hard choices because people keep falling for Republican lies.

On October 07 2026 23:18 oBlade wrote:
Barring that, if not enough are still alive to be available, we could at least put our weights behind political forces that want to cut the size of government the way Clinton did, cut waste, cut spending. Wonder if any factions have tried that recently and if any others have rabidly opposed it.


Someone with a brain could possibly make some good cuts, but DOGE under Elon Musk increased the deficit.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2479 Posts
6 minutes ago
#119950
On October 07 2026 23:44 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2026 23:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A woman in Tennessee, who had received the death penalty, was recently given her "lethal" injection... but she survived. Now she's on a ventilator in a hospital, receiving medical care:

Christa Pike, a Tennessee inmate, is conscious and speaking six days after her failed execution, according to a statement from her attorneys.

“Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care. Despite the severe damage she endured to her arms, she is still handcuffed and shackled to the bed. Her recovery is medically unprecedented. Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery,” her attorneys said in a statement.

Pike, who was sentenced to death for the 1995 murder of 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer, was to become the first woman executed in Tennessee in 200 years.

After surviving two ostensibly lethal doses of pentobarbital during her planned execution, she was transferred to a hospital where she was unconscious and placed on a ventilator, receiving lifesaving medical care.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/06/us/tennessee-execution-christa-pike

Now the question is: Do they try again?

With the astonishing news that Christa Pike is conscious, talking and making a "medically unprecedented" recovery following her botched execution, Tennessee is now facing a critical question: Will the state try to kill her again?

"Against all odds, Christa Pike is conscious, speaking, and continues to receive critical medical care," her attorneys said in a statement on Oct. 6. "Her prognosis remains unclear but, at a minimum, we expect a long recovery."

So far, Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee has not responded to repeated calls from Pike's attorneys and death penalty observers to commute her sentence to life in prison. That leaves open the possibility that Pike will face a second execution, even after her attorneys said the first attempt on Sept. 30 amounted to unconstitutionally cruel and unusual punishment.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/10/06/tennessee-execution-christa-pike-second-attempt-botch/92127144007/

It takes a remarkably sadistic/vindictive society/government to try and kill someone as punishment for murdering someone 30+ years ago. Nevermind that they've been kept in solitary confinement (which is torture) for ~30 years waiting to be killed.

Makes Trump's plans to kill by firing squad seem quaint and practical by comparison.


Interesting fact you might enjoy, China, Vietnam and North Korea all still have and use the death penalty. Yet not a single democratic socialist country does.


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