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On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left.
The NYT had some other non-endorsements listed, curious for your thoughts on them. (I largely agree with your analysis).
Cindy McCain, Mitt Romney. Romney as a definite non-endorse (pretty sure this is news to no one, though).
The text about Cindy McCain backs up your point about republicans who want a career not being willing to make a statement.
Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.
I'm inclined to think this doesn't really matter, as none of these people endorsed him in 2016. If they come out and endorse Biden it might matter a little, but not much.
However, Joe Walsh, who DID endorse him in 2016 going against him seems to have mattered even less that these non endorsements, so I'm not sure whether they voted for him in 2016 matters that much.
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Imperialists more than fascists, but they certainly all oversaw some pretty fascist police when it came to Black citizens. Bari should be fired too if she hasn't already.
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On June 08 2020 07:12 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. Would you say you support Trump at this point, or are you just against Democrats? Lots of people have been very clear they wish the republican party wasn't the party of trump and I could have sworn you were among them. Has that changed? I sincerely wish we had someone else as president because Trump is incapable being the person we need (imo what we need is a boring person as president, and someone who will tell Congress to start doing their job again). He contributes to, but is not the cause of, so many of the issues we have. However, he is so much better than I thought he would be and many of the people to whom he gives a rhetorical smackdown are people who very, very richly deserve it. That being said, the Democrats are actually nuts and Biden has spent years being a slimball, so his unifier shtick is just another lie from a serial liar. As for me, I'm not deciding until election day what I'm going to do. But what I said in the quoted post was moreso my analysis. As an objective matter, the best numbers we have tell us Trump is incredibly popular within his own party. Someone like Powell, who couldn't even support fellow squish Mitt Romney, is not going to move people who still call themselves Republicans. The media beating Bush and Romney took without any fighting back is, I think, the single biggest reason Trump won the GOP nomination. So I think they are very close to irrelevant. There is a lot of "I think" in there, this is just my opinion...but to me the political analysis done in this thread is very clearly affected by a bubble phenomenon.
I wonder what were your expectations because short of pressing the red button during a twitter rant he's pretty much done everything
And thats only the stuff we know about.
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On June 08 2020 05:52 farvacola wrote:
I think I’m gonna subscribe to the NYT finally, the piece I read that laid out what occurred with regards to the publication of Cotton’s fascist trash talk was compelling stuff.
Subscribe or unsubscribe? Not sure I follow you.
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On June 08 2020 07:32 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. The NYT had some other non-endorsements listed, curious for your thoughts on them. (I largely agree with your analysis). Cindy McCain, Mitt Romney. Romney as a definite non-endorse (pretty sure this is news to no one, though). The text about Cindy McCain backs up your point about republicans who want a career not being willing to make a statement. Show nested quote +
Cindy McCain, the widow of Senator John McCain, is almost certain to support Mr. Biden but is unsure how public to be about it because one of her sons is eying a run for office.
I'm inclined to think this doesn't really matter, as none of these people endorsed him in 2016. If they come out and endorse Biden it might matter a little, but not much. However, Joe Walsh, who DID endorse him in 2016 going against him seems to have mattered even less that these non endorsements, so I'm not sure whether they voted for him in 2016 matters that much.
In 2016, "the Swamp" endorsing other candidates only fed Trump. Now that his is president, his record and his behavior will determine if he wins, not endorsements or a lackthereof. Maybe someone like Mattis could flip a few very specific votes among a cetain group, but almost everyone who would endorse Biden is not in office (and recall, politicians are elected too, their constituents support and listen to them). To me it seems that endorsements of sitting presidents are for the benefit of the endorser, not the candidate (all 6 of the "Republicans for Biden" are probably going to benefit from their stance).
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On June 08 2020 07:39 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 07:12 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. Would you say you support Trump at this point, or are you just against Democrats? Lots of people have been very clear they wish the republican party wasn't the party of trump and I could have sworn you were among them. Has that changed? I sincerely wish we had someone else as president because Trump is incapable being the person we need (imo what we need is a boring person as president, and someone who will tell Congress to start doing their job again). He contributes to, but is not the cause of, so many of the issues we have. However, he is so much better than I thought he would be and many of the people to whom he gives a rhetorical smackdown are people who very, very richly deserve it. That being said, the Democrats are actually nuts and Biden has spent years being a slimball, so his unifier shtick is just another lie from a serial liar. As for me, I'm not deciding until election day what I'm going to do. But what I said in the quoted post was moreso my analysis. As an objective matter, the best numbers we have tell us Trump is incredibly popular within his own party. Someone like Powell, who couldn't even support fellow squish Mitt Romney, is not going to move people who still call themselves Republicans. The media beating Bush and Romney took without any fighting back is, I think, the single biggest reason Trump won the GOP nomination. So I think they are very close to irrelevant. There is a lot of "I think" in there, this is just my opinion...but to me the political analysis done in this thread is very clearly affected by a bubble phenomenon. I wonder what were your expectations because short of pressing the red button during a twitter rant he's pretty much done everything And thats only the stuff we know about.
well this is a policy difference. Trump has been better on the 2nd amendment, religious liberty, and abortion than I thought. He actually followed through and moved the embassy to Jerusalem and left the Iran deal, for the most part. I expected him to basically be a Democrat. Instead... he's Trump, good and bad.
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On June 08 2020 07:55 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 07:39 Erasme wrote:On June 08 2020 07:12 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. Would you say you support Trump at this point, or are you just against Democrats? Lots of people have been very clear they wish the republican party wasn't the party of trump and I could have sworn you were among them. Has that changed? I sincerely wish we had someone else as president because Trump is incapable being the person we need (imo what we need is a boring person as president, and someone who will tell Congress to start doing their job again). He contributes to, but is not the cause of, so many of the issues we have. However, he is so much better than I thought he would be and many of the people to whom he gives a rhetorical smackdown are people who very, very richly deserve it. That being said, the Democrats are actually nuts and Biden has spent years being a slimball, so his unifier shtick is just another lie from a serial liar. As for me, I'm not deciding until election day what I'm going to do. But what I said in the quoted post was moreso my analysis. As an objective matter, the best numbers we have tell us Trump is incredibly popular within his own party. Someone like Powell, who couldn't even support fellow squish Mitt Romney, is not going to move people who still call themselves Republicans. The media beating Bush and Romney took without any fighting back is, I think, the single biggest reason Trump won the GOP nomination. So I think they are very close to irrelevant. There is a lot of "I think" in there, this is just my opinion...but to me the political analysis done in this thread is very clearly affected by a bubble phenomenon. I wonder what were your expectations because short of pressing the red button during a twitter rant he's pretty much done everything And thats only the stuff we know about. well this is a policy difference. Trump has been better on the 2nd amendment, religious liberty, and abortion than I thought. He actually followed through and moved the embassy to Jerusalem and left the Iran deal, for the most part. I expected him to basically be a Democrat. Instead... he's Trump, good and bad.
Judges much better than expected for me. I swear GWB would've caved to partisan pressure on Kavanaugh, and probably would've never nominated Gorsuch. See: Miguel Estrada.
Both good and bad on his handling of the Russian affair from disgraced top FBI officials and DOJ officials. I hope they're able to finish the 3-4 investigations at multiple levels before a Democrat comes into power and puts them all on the skids.
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On June 08 2020 07:51 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 05:52 farvacola wrote:
I think I’m gonna subscribe to the NYT finally, the piece I read that laid out what occurred with regards to the publication of Cotton’s fascist trash talk was compelling stuff. Subscribe or unsubscribe? Not sure I follow you.
Truth be told, I have to subscribe to NYT for a summer class I’m taking, so I was not being totally truthful!
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On June 08 2020 07:59 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 07:55 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 07:39 Erasme wrote:On June 08 2020 07:12 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. Would you say you support Trump at this point, or are you just against Democrats? Lots of people have been very clear they wish the republican party wasn't the party of trump and I could have sworn you were among them. Has that changed? I sincerely wish we had someone else as president because Trump is incapable being the person we need (imo what we need is a boring person as president, and someone who will tell Congress to start doing their job again). He contributes to, but is not the cause of, so many of the issues we have. However, he is so much better than I thought he would be and many of the people to whom he gives a rhetorical smackdown are people who very, very richly deserve it. That being said, the Democrats are actually nuts and Biden has spent years being a slimball, so his unifier shtick is just another lie from a serial liar. As for me, I'm not deciding until election day what I'm going to do. But what I said in the quoted post was moreso my analysis. As an objective matter, the best numbers we have tell us Trump is incredibly popular within his own party. Someone like Powell, who couldn't even support fellow squish Mitt Romney, is not going to move people who still call themselves Republicans. The media beating Bush and Romney took without any fighting back is, I think, the single biggest reason Trump won the GOP nomination. So I think they are very close to irrelevant. There is a lot of "I think" in there, this is just my opinion...but to me the political analysis done in this thread is very clearly affected by a bubble phenomenon. I wonder what were your expectations because short of pressing the red button during a twitter rant he's pretty much done everything And thats only the stuff we know about. well this is a policy difference. Trump has been better on the 2nd amendment, religious liberty, and abortion than I thought. He actually followed through and moved the embassy to Jerusalem and left the Iran deal, for the most part. I expected him to basically be a Democrat. Instead... he's Trump, good and bad. Judges much better than expected for me. I swear GWB would've caved to partisan pressure on Kavanaugh, and probably would've never nominated Gorsuch. See: Miguel Estrada. Both good and bad on his handling of the Russian affair from disgraced top FBI officials and DOJ officials. I hope they're able to finish the 3-4 investigations at multiple levels before a Democrat comes into power and puts them all on the skids.
How could I have forgotten the judges! Yes, that's a big one too. Besides moving the embassy, that might be one of his few permanent achievements, should he lose in November. There is no doubt GWB or Romney would have caved within days on Kavanaugh, even as their voters would have demanded some sort of backbone.
I don't expect anyone to be held accountable for the Russia farce, but even if the investigations could give the public the truth of what happened that would at least be something. But this is part of the problem if Biden wins. He won't be running anything, the entrenched bureaucracy, supported by his appointees, will make sure they don't get caught again and those agencies will only get worse.
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On June 08 2020 08:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2020 07:59 Danglars wrote:On June 08 2020 07:55 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 07:39 Erasme wrote:On June 08 2020 07:12 Introvert wrote:On June 08 2020 06:54 Mohdoo wrote:On June 08 2020 06:51 Introvert wrote:
GWB won't endorse anyone, and it wouldn't matter. I think Powell endorsed Obama and hasn't endorsed a Republican since (even Romney)... and I'm not sure someone so closely associated with the Iraq war is going to be of any value. These orange man bad GOP types have far less influence than their media presence would lead one to believe. Trump's support within the party is sky-high, those who maybe were Republican but no longer identify as such are most likely voting for Biden anyways. No Republican politician who wants a political future is going to endorse Biden (e.g., the Bush kids in Texas).
If Texas is the flipping point than the election already over. I think Trump does and will have more money (and probably more mental/physical strength) to campaign more; if I'm Biden I focus on other states and hope the coronavirus panic lasts longer so I can keep hiding out in the basement.
And the NYT has finally lost the minuscule amount of courage they had left. Would you say you support Trump at this point, or are you just against Democrats? Lots of people have been very clear they wish the republican party wasn't the party of trump and I could have sworn you were among them. Has that changed? I sincerely wish we had someone else as president because Trump is incapable being the person we need (imo what we need is a boring person as president, and someone who will tell Congress to start doing their job again). He contributes to, but is not the cause of, so many of the issues we have. However, he is so much better than I thought he would be and many of the people to whom he gives a rhetorical smackdown are people who very, very richly deserve it. That being said, the Democrats are actually nuts and Biden has spent years being a slimball, so his unifier shtick is just another lie from a serial liar. As for me, I'm not deciding until election day what I'm going to do. But what I said in the quoted post was moreso my analysis. As an objective matter, the best numbers we have tell us Trump is incredibly popular within his own party. Someone like Powell, who couldn't even support fellow squish Mitt Romney, is not going to move people who still call themselves Republicans. The media beating Bush and Romney took without any fighting back is, I think, the single biggest reason Trump won the GOP nomination. So I think they are very close to irrelevant. There is a lot of "I think" in there, this is just my opinion...but to me the political analysis done in this thread is very clearly affected by a bubble phenomenon. I wonder what were your expectations because short of pressing the red button during a twitter rant he's pretty much done everything And thats only the stuff we know about. well this is a policy difference. Trump has been better on the 2nd amendment, religious liberty, and abortion than I thought. He actually followed through and moved the embassy to Jerusalem and left the Iran deal, for the most part. I expected him to basically be a Democrat. Instead... he's Trump, good and bad. Judges much better than expected for me. I swear GWB would've caved to partisan pressure on Kavanaugh, and probably would've never nominated Gorsuch. See: Miguel Estrada. Both good and bad on his handling of the Russian affair from disgraced top FBI officials and DOJ officials. I hope they're able to finish the 3-4 investigations at multiple levels before a Democrat comes into power and puts them all on the skids. How could I have forgotten the judges! Yes, that's a big one too. Besides moving the embassy, that might be one of his few permanent achievements, should he lose in November. There is no doubt GWB or Romney would have caved within days on Kavanaugh, even as their voters would have demanded some sort of backbone. I don't expect anyone to be held accountable for the Russia farce, but even if the investigations could give the public the truth of what happened that would at least be something. But this is part of the problem if Biden wins. He won't be running anything, the entrenched bureaucracy, supported by his appointees, will make sure they don't get caught again and those agencies will only get worse.
My biggest angst about Biden winning is that, unless he picks a good VP, it will be until 2028 at the earliest that we get another chance at seeing an actual leftwing president rather than one who has promised "nothing will fundamentally change".
The whole Russia thing is indeed a farce because unless we can prove they literally altered vote counts, they still convinced actual people to vote for Trump. It exposes a systemic problem with American democracy. The takeaway should be that American voters are stupid and easily manipulated (keep in mind it *is* the case they were running facebook pages representing views from many political perspectives, not just right-wing), not that Trump's election was illegitimate. The mainline democratic party of course latched on to it because the narrative that the 2016 election was stolen precludes them from introspection regarding why they actually lost, i.e. why center-right democratic presidential candidates are mostly unelectable.
I always seem to end up living in states where the results of the presidential election are a foregone conclusion so I'll vote third party or something again. If I were in a swing state I honestly don't even know if I could bring myself to vote for Biden. I have little faith he will do anything to fix the healthcare system or take action on green energy/the environment. He's basically senile though so if he picks a left-wing VP I might be able to get excited about him.
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This post is gonna be a grabbag of updates on things currently being discussed. Let me know if that's not good form?
Re: Bari Weiss/NYT
Weiss' depiction of events at the NYT has been publicly called out by many of her colleagues :
(just a couple, out of like, 20)
Also, apparently she wasn't part of the main facebook threads where the majority of the discussion happened when she made those tweets, according to other NYT writers.
Re: Police Disbandment
2nd -
The Minneapolis city council now has a veto proof majority to disband the police department there, shortly after the Mayor took his walk of shame. (Is this the same PD responsible for the Philando Castile incident? That was in a suburb of St Paul. MN cities are confusing).
https://theappeal.org/minneapolis-city-council-members-announce-intent-to-disband-the-police-department-invest-in-proven-community-led-public-safety/
3rd- Mitt Romney and protests.
If this picture had been described to me in 2011, I would've been baffled. Scratch that, I'm still baffled. Who is this even for? Utah's single black Republican voter? (I say this mostly due to Romney's notorious reputation as a panderer). Mitt Romney is now participating in a BLM protest. It's notable in that I think this is the first open support from a GOP Senator of the protests.
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Moderates of all stripes are trying to co-opt and dilute the push for radical changes like abolishing police for non-sense reforms (see NY banning chokes...again) Romney is one of those moderates. Plus he still thinks he can be president in 2024 and he might not be wrong considering all the people falling for cops kneeling.
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Maybe Mitt just doesn't like racism in the police. Would you rather have Mitt or Trump running the country right now?
I know who Bari Weiss is but I don't really follow her or read her columns except in a few instances where people have linked to them in the past. Why should she be fired from the NYT?
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On June 08 2020 08:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Moderates of all stripes are trying to co-opt and dilute the push for radical changes like abolishing police for non-sense reforms (see NY banning chokes...again) Romney is one of those moderates. Plus he still thinks he can be president in 2024 and he might not be wrong considering all the people falling for cops kneeling.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of his actions lately are trying to paint himself as "the sane Republican" in a President Biden/post Trump world.
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Wow, huge props to Romney. That's very powerful. A good reminder that there is a future for the republican party once Trump is gone. I really think his kids won't nearly pull of what they clearly want to. There won't be president ivanka or any of them IMO. Trump will be Trump and I don't think he has a successor.
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he is absolutely a panderer, but at the same time, it takes a certain amount of gumption to go against trump long before this and to promote BLM, which is absolutely going to irk a sizable amount of his base
Regardless of his past, I think that deserves some measure of respect
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The Philando Castile shooting happened in falcon fights which contracted their police service to the St. Antony police department. That contract got passed to the county which . Yes it was in a suburb of The twin cities. It is in the St paul county while the recent killing was done in the Minneapolis county. ST Anthony is also in the Minneapolis county. both of the twin cities has a county
Minnesota has two major cities that mostly live on the banks of the Mississippi (st. paul is further down the river) and the state has a lot of tired suburbs that flower away from this cluster.
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Considering the US police do fuck all most of the time except poorly handle domestic disputes, harass people for minor driving infringements (and sometimes killing them because they were “going for a gun” in their wallet pocket) and be used as a weapon when someone doesn’t like a bunch of kids selling water or using a swimming pool, probably not much would go wrong. This is the country where you get stories of police officers shooting at Boxers (the dog breed) every 2nd week, with half of them missing and hitting innocent people.
There has to be a conversation how policing and dispute handling is done in a society where the current implementation of the police system is removed, sure. But the current US police departments need to be wiped out because near all of them respond to everything with violence and extortion. That’s actually worse than organised crime groups as the means of organised crime to entrench themselves into their communities is through providing them with everything the government has not. Even they aren’t so stupid to hold up an uniformed black firefighter leaving work at gunpoint because he looks “suspicious”, like what happened at Rhode Island this week.
The fact people want the police out says a lot of their use in people’s lives. Most people just remember calling for a police officer to a dispute only for the car to arrive 30 minutes later and escalate the issue. Maybe Australian police officers are better, I am not sure but the US police do a better job of acting like a protection racket rather than a force for good. I am willing to say Pablo Escobar has probably invested more into his communities than the NYPD has ever done.
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