US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2375

On June 03 2020 20:09 stilt wrote:
It's weird, reading this would almost make me think that liberal democract which legitimates us foreign and cultural imperialism actually doesn't work :o

An imperialism which is showing by the random manifestations outside usa on this subject or the fact french society is now perceived firstly by racial and community struggle rather than social one. And ofc this agenda is pushed by self rightous bourgeois who want to keep their social privelege by pushing this identitary and borderline fascist agenda, some of them would even taught me how to do an insurrection while they prolly never did a strike on their life, ridiculous.

I mean, look at you all, you are pretty excited, want to do a revolution but if I ask for exemple GH "do you think lbm is gonna make a future without racial tensions in 40 or 50 years ?" The honest answer would be no, you know perfectly it won't stop the mechanics. In order to do so, it will need to do a social and economical revolution that nobody at the top want. And the solution of reinforcing the militia aspect of police by making it even more communitary will only reinforce violence as this militia culture is already one of the main factor of violence.

Because black people will remain poor which'll make their integration to society harder (competition for ressources, alternative/illegal activities are bound to happen) and there will still be poor white people (yes yes, it's not fake news, I can assure you there are white people who are actually poors, in France and in usa too !) will have this silly mentality of "yes were are poors but at least we aren't blacks !". That's the sad thing about the racists, most of them are not benifiting economically of the system will still support it against another racial group.

The people who should allied hate each other, some poors admire Trump, a moronic billionaire while other admire Beyonce, a supercifical billionaire, in the end, any of them don't risk to cause any change, american society is as solid and locked as 1984's one. If I am not mistaken, most of the black people voted for Biden, considering how lurkewarn "the dangerous radical" (according to some) aka Sanders already is, it says a lot.
It says a lot when journalists of the washington post are supporting it too, the elites are not threatened.

Now, what would happen if lbm was attacking wall street which is the core of the problem, or Havard ? These priveleged intellectuals give the justification for all these shits ? Or the medias possessed by the oligarchs ? Or the law firms and other lobbyists which are paralyzing democracy too ?

If that was the case, i am pretty sure those journalists which love to take into pity black ppl (you know, the sort of pity who stole all the dignity of those who are being pitied) would do a Zola. This french writer who illustrates himself in favor of Dreyfus, unfairly accused of treachery by the french army because he was jew, and who wrote Germinal which depicts the sad condition of the miners. A nice guy isn't it ? But once the people of Paris rebelled, what did he do ? Obviously, he called for slaughters and was very happy of the 20000 workers killed, "now they learnt their lessons and will behave".

I guess in good faith, some of you might think it could lighten up the carceral system but usa is the country which leads the most ferocious war of all against the poors and deshumanize them to the max, a necessary oppression to justify while most have nothing while Bezos has everything. (Just saw a report on Angola in which the prison make the prisonners do a rodeo to entairtain the public, that's nothing but barbary)

It's actually depressing to see, such a energy wasted to actually maintain the exact same economical and societal system
But hey, if it helps you to feel good, why not, it cost even less than charity.

On June 03 2020 20:19 pmh wrote:
@farvacola:

I dont know,maybe you are right. Its all a bit speculative but i honestly think that without social unrest trump would not stand a chance in november. Then the focus would be all on how he did handle covid and the economic situation.
I still wouldnt give trump over 50% chance to win but i do think he now has a better chance then before the unrest.
For this i do not blame the protesters btw,not even the slightest. People are rightfully very angry and at one point emotions take over. Then there is all the media which influences people and which makes it even worse.
Maybe the protesters can "win",but for many people it does become a choice between 2 more or less extreme positions which is a bit risky.
(and just to be clear:personally i do not see the vieuwpoint of the protestors as an extreme vieuwpoint,on the contrary i think it is a very reasonable and centric point of vieuw. but there is many people who will see it as an extreme point of vieuw and/or who will frame it as an extreme point of vieuw with an emphasisis on the looting and lack of law and order).

Cnn has been doing a remarkable good job in the coverage of the protests btw,with an emphasisis on the peacefull protests while comdeming the looting. Several democratic governors have done so as well which does give hope for a good outcome.
But i would imagine fox and all report on it from a different point of vieuw,we will just have to wait and see what happens in november.