EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 2056
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25966 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
This one here was. It's just a ripoff of the 80s Air Force Space Command, which of course is a ripoff of star trek | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 25 2020 10:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well then, TIL. That the ripoff was done 40 years ago makes it a lot less fun. The entire concept of a "Space Force" is a laugh, and entirely pointless on top while managing to undermine the outer space treaty. Unless of course you want to start another arms race, this time in space. Which of course is probably the entire reason for this in the first place. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25966 Posts
On January 25 2020 10:46 m4ini wrote: The entire concept of a "Space Force" is a laugh, and entirely pointless on top while managing to undermine the outer space treaty. Unless of course you want to start another arms race, this time in space. Which of course is probably the entire reason for this in the first place. Well it’s not, theoretically anyway depends how it manifests. I personally don’t want the US to have an edge in this particular race, but if they do get one it will probably prove rather impactful. Sadly. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14042 Posts
On January 25 2020 08:37 Simberto wrote: It's not as if there were no others whom they could ask. I bet that Iran would love to help Iraq defend itself. Iran actually did a lot to help Iraq. With the standing military basically a shattered mess They armed and sent advisors to organize Religiously motivated militias to counter the ISIS threat which was the other kind of Islam. They also sent the golden division or whatever unit which is their premier revolutionary guard unit. the problem with Iran helping Iraq to defend itself is because Iraq is supposed to be a multi-denominational buffer state between the saudi's and iran. Raising militias to fight a holy war makes the people who don't share those militias religion nervous. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25966 Posts
Agree/disagree with what he’s selling but he clearly believes it’s the right option, and has been historically consistent in that. He doesn’t make ridiculously gaffes either, any time he’s given actual time to expand on his program he does so, and does so well. Really up to America what they make of that. I have a great regard for the county and what it stands for, they do do the occasional good thing (interceding in the peace settlement over here for example) Fingers crossed Bernie at least gets the shot at it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23446 Posts
On January 25 2020 11:38 Wombat_NI wrote: The more I listen to Sanders, despite being aligned politically with him anyway, the more sad I’ll be if he doesn’t make it as the candidate at least. Agree/disagree with what he’s selling but he clearly believes it’s the right option, and has been historically consistent in that. He doesn’t make ridiculously gaffes either, any time he’s given actual time to expand on his program he does so, and does so well. Really up to America what they make of that. I have a great regard for the county and what it stands for, they do do the occasional good thing (interceding in the peace settlement over here for example) Fingers crossed Bernie at least gets the shot at it. He's in pretty good shape. Not actually being an active supporter this cycle allows me to step back a bit and observe and his donor/volunteer network is absurd compared to the rest. Biden is the only one that can carry the establishment network on the ground. The retirees and socialites that run various Dem parties and fundraisers aren't going to unite around Pete, Warren, or The Klob. Bloomberg can buy Hillary's people and other "talents" on the periphery of the party and keep working on his effort to supplant the current dem voter database company but he's only a spoiler. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25966 Posts
On January 25 2020 11:51 GreenHorizons wrote: He's in pretty good shape. Not actually being an active supporter this cycle allows me to step back a bit and observe and his donor/volunteer network is absurd compared to the rest. Biden is the only one that can carry the establishment network on the ground. The retirees and socialites that run various Dem parties and fundraisers aren't going to unite around Pete, Warren, or The Klob. Bloomberg can buy Hillary's people and other "talents" on the periphery of the party and keep working on his effort to supplant the current dem voter database company but he's only a spoiler. Fingers crossed anyway. I have zero expectation that Bloomberg at least throwing millions at it will work, who gives a fuck about his platform and ideas? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23446 Posts
On January 25 2020 12:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Bloomberg is throwing money into ads to get under Trumps skin, and he seems to not care if doesn’t win. He probably doesn’t mind it since it costs him nothing for those ads either if you think about it, while showing the US what Trump has done. The ad buys are meh, or you might be thinking of the other billionaire running for the Dem nomination (Steyer). Bloomberg is building a voter database to replace the one Dems use which was basically designed in the 90's. He's basically building Cambridge Analytica for the not-the-Republican party | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On January 25 2020 10:04 Wombat_NI wrote: Most trans people I know and I assume many in general don’t pass muster as a cis woman. They feel they’re women, or men and so act accordingly. There’s basically no gain to them whatsoever. I have a good friend who is trans, the mother of their child denied access when they started transitioning. They’re sacrificing a lot and gaining fuck all, so what are they consuming here exactly? There are people who are genuinely just confused and maybe it’s not the best option for them, definitely. For example people with Aspergers often present as gender dysphoric. Not because they actually are but that the ‘grey areas’ of gender characteristics can be difficult for them to process in adolescence. "Gaining fuck all" is exactly what consumerism is about, buying useless stuff in the hope it's an end by itself and it will bring happiness. I'm specifically speaking about the physical transformation here. I wish roles were not so heavily defined by gender, sex change would become meaningless. The trans lobby mostly comes from people who invested in high tech medical companies btw (and I have a very poor opinion of the medical industry). It has already been compared to make-up, tattoos or simply clothes. I'm not denying the problems surrounding the acceptance of trans people by the rest of society, which is the issue not trans people themselves. Still I wish the answer would not be a service to buy but more an evolution of mentalities. And you said it yourself, "they gained fuck all", further proving my point. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23446 Posts
On January 25 2020 20:13 nojok wrote: "Gaining fuck all" is exactly what consumerism is about, buying useless stuff in the hope it's an end by itself and it will bring happiness. I'm specifically speaking about the physical transformation here. I wish roles were not so heavily defined by gender, sex change would become meaningless. The trans lobby mostly comes from people who invested in high tech medical companies btw (and I have a very poor opinion of the medical industry). It has already been compared to make-up, tattoos or simply clothes. I'm not denying the problems surrounding the acceptance of trans people by the rest of society, which is the issue not trans people themselves. Still I wish the answer would not be a service to buy but more an evolution of mentalities. And you said it yourself, "they gained fuck all", further proving my point. I get your point and it's the closest to TERF I get. It's more a critique of society than trans people's personal choices but they typically don't see it that way (because the critique you offer isn't what usually comes after a critique on having surgery) and I understand that so it doesn't come up often. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25966 Posts
On January 25 2020 22:12 GreenHorizons wrote: I get your point and it's the closest to TERF I get. It's more a critique of society than trans people's personal choices but they typically don't see it that way (because the critique you offer isn't what usually comes after a critique on having surgery) and I understand that so it doesn't come up often. Indeed, it and associated areas are rather interesting to discuss, but it’s difficult to do without it being taken as a personal criticism. Which is understandable, I’m just genuinely curious to expand my understanding but trans people have to field so many criticisms masquerading as concern or questions that I can understand mine being taken in a manner they weren’t intended. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14042 Posts
On January 26 2020 01:18 Mohdoo wrote: My weird libertarian friend is supporting Bernie. I feel like overnight everyone woke up, yawned and mumbled "eat the rich", surprised by what they said, thought for a moment, nodded their heads and went about their days. You missed the whole drama about Joe rogan endorseing bernie? | ||
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Ryzel
United States535 Posts
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farvacola
United States18835 Posts
Sanders can fit that bill relatively easily depending on how one views hot button topics like healthcare. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On January 26 2020 02:25 farvacola wrote: Ehh, I don’t think it’s weird in the sense that many folks claim to be libertarian without wrestling with what that really means. For many, it’s a placeholder for “I belong to neither main party, and I think I should be left alone.” Sanders can fit that bill relatively easily depending on how one views hot button topics like healthcare. He's basically a libertarian communist. Eat the rich, socialize basically everything, but taxation is theft and the government should never be involved in his life. Farv hit the nail on the head | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On January 26 2020 02:54 Mohdoo wrote: He's basically a libertarian communist. Eat the rich, socialize basically everything, but taxation is theft and the government should never be involved in his life. Farv hit the nail on the head That's a weird tightrope to walk. "Socialize everything but fuck actually paying for it!". | ||
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