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On May 23 2019 19:13 Rasalased wrote:
The fact that Dangers is so worked up about it really tells you something, right?
But maybe the people debating them could answer. They are both extremely hardcore loyal GOPers. They are both arguing here for years. If they think dems talking about Trump and impeachment is a mistake, they would want dem supporting posters here to think the opposite, right?
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Not necessarily. Your alt-right prick might want that because the alt-right just wants trouble, but I think most sensible Republicans are just as able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting completely out of hand, and to want some sort of decorum to remain/be returned to. D & D are both relatively sensible - if hardcore - Republicans.
I mean, even Tucker Carlson has been showing signs of worry lately.
Wanting the Dems to focus on more productive issues is good for the state of the nation.
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If sensible Republicans are able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting out of hand, then how did the US get there? The dems?
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On May 23 2019 19:27 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:13 Rasalased wrote:
The fact that Dangers is so worked up about it really tells you something, right?
But maybe the people debating them could answer. They are both extremely hardcore loyal GOPers. They are both arguing here for years. If they think dems talking about Trump and impeachment is a mistake, they would want dem supporting posters here to think the opposite, right?
User was warned for this post: Please try harder to spell users' names correctly Not necessarily. Your alt-right prick might want that because the alt-right just wants trouble, but I think most sensible Republicans are just as able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting completely out of hand, and to want some sort of decorum to remain/be returned to. D & D are both relatively sensible - if hardcore - Republicans. I mean, even Tucker Carlson has been showing signs of worry lately. Wanting the Dems to focus on more productive issues is good for the state of the nation. The Republicans had no problem with the increased partisanship while they controlled Congress. Now that the wind is starting to blow in the other direction they come running with claims that Democrats should be nicer.
We've had this dance before. If the Republicans want to be more productive then let them be the ones to start it. I have no doubt that Democrats will follow if Republicans start to try to actually govern in a responsible manner.
For now its to much "Do as I say, not as I do".
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On May 23 2019 19:36 Rasalased wrote:
If sensible Republicans are able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting out of hand, then how did the US get there? The dems? Considering some Republicans have tried to blame Obama for dividing the country, I'm sure they will blame the Dems yes...
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On May 23 2019 19:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:27 iamthedave wrote:On May 23 2019 19:13 Rasalased wrote:
The fact that Dangers is so worked up about it really tells you something, right?
But maybe the people debating them could answer. They are both extremely hardcore loyal GOPers. They are both arguing here for years. If they think dems talking about Trump and impeachment is a mistake, they would want dem supporting posters here to think the opposite, right?
User was warned for this post: Please try harder to spell users' names correctly Not necessarily. Your alt-right prick might want that because the alt-right just wants trouble, but I think most sensible Republicans are just as able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting completely out of hand, and to want some sort of decorum to remain/be returned to. D & D are both relatively sensible - if hardcore - Republicans. I mean, even Tucker Carlson has been showing signs of worry lately. Wanting the Dems to focus on more productive issues is good for the state of the nation. The Republicans had no problem with the increased partisanship while they controlled Congress. Now that the wind is starting to blow in the other direction they come running with claims that Democrats should be nicer. We've had this dance before. If the Republicans want to be more productive then let them be the ones to start it. I have no doubt that Democrats will follow if Republicans start to try to actually govern in a responsible manner. For now its to much "Do as I say, not as I do".
I think it's more that they never really thought the Dems would start sinking to their level, when in reality that will happen eventually, and if both sides start doing it the US is going to get completely fucked in no time.
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On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence.
This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread.
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On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread.
What?
It's literally an accusation that you've twice made and failed to support. Then you reference one (uncited) incident that happened over a year ago, then repeat it isn't a one time thing and insist I find support for your argument or not dispute it.
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On May 23 2019 22:14 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread. What? It's literally an accusation that you've twice made and failed to support. Then you reference one (uncited) incident that happened over a year ago, then repeat it isn't a one time thing and insist I find support for your argument or not dispute it.
I can easily do this too:
And find the argument for yourself...
+ Show Spoiler +Do you see how annoying that is? You're literally seeing Danglars ignore NewSunshine's question in the open, not once, but multiple times, and then you expect us to look for something that was probably said ages ago?... Kinda ridiculous. If you have a position, state it if they ask you... No one is going to go back 100's of pages to look for an answer. Especially me, I have shit to do, everyone has shit to do.
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On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread.
I have already made it clear that many posters will never get a response out of me anymore due to a failure in moderation. These are posters who have demonstrated a long history of posting tendencies that include a combination of (intentionally or otherwise) misrepresenting posts, being dickish, and otherwise violate and advocate against the open discourse spirit of the thread. There’s no incentive for me to engage these people anymore. If they want me to engage them and respond to their posts, then they are going to have to improve their posting.
Beyond that, I sometimes have trouble responding to every post that I otherwise would respond to just because of the volume presented and limits on my time (like GH’s internment camp post). If it’s something important, I may circle back the next day. If not, it may slip through the cracks and people can ask me again.
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On May 23 2019 21:25 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 19:41 Gorsameth wrote:On May 23 2019 19:27 iamthedave wrote:On May 23 2019 19:13 Rasalased wrote:
The fact that Dangers is so worked up about it really tells you something, right?
But maybe the people debating them could answer. They are both extremely hardcore loyal GOPers. They are both arguing here for years. If they think dems talking about Trump and impeachment is a mistake, they would want dem supporting posters here to think the opposite, right?
User was warned for this post: Please try harder to spell users' names correctly Not necessarily. Your alt-right prick might want that because the alt-right just wants trouble, but I think most sensible Republicans are just as able to notice that partisanship in the US is getting completely out of hand, and to want some sort of decorum to remain/be returned to. D & D are both relatively sensible - if hardcore - Republicans. I mean, even Tucker Carlson has been showing signs of worry lately. Wanting the Dems to focus on more productive issues is good for the state of the nation. The Republicans had no problem with the increased partisanship while they controlled Congress. Now that the wind is starting to blow in the other direction they come running with claims that Democrats should be nicer. We've had this dance before. If the Republicans want to be more productive then let them be the ones to start it. I have no doubt that Democrats will follow if Republicans start to try to actually govern in a responsible manner. For now its to much "Do as I say, not as I do". I think it's more that they never really thought the Dems would start sinking to their level, when in reality that will happen eventually, and if both sides start doing it the US is going to get completely fucked in no time.
It doesn't really matter to the GOP because they are the party of less government. The worse of a job the government does, the easier it is to their voters to sell this idea of 'less government' and the more likely it is to keep their easy high paying jobs in DC until retirement. Democrats will get punished by their voters when the government starts to fail.
The only problem is that with Trump, the Republicans have a criminal traitor on their hands.
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On May 23 2019 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread. What? It's literally an accusation that you've twice made and failed to support. Then you reference one (uncited) incident that happened over a year ago, then repeat it isn't a one time thing and insist I find support for your argument or not dispute it. I can easily do this too: And find the argument for yourself... + Show Spoiler +Do you see how annoying that is? You're literally seeing Danglars ignore NewSunshine's question in the open, not once, but multiple times, and then you expect us to look for something that was probably said ages ago?... Kinda ridiculous. If you have a position, state it if they ask you... No one is going to go back 100's of pages to look for an answer. Especially me, I have shit to do, everyone has shit to do.
I don't know if you're trying to maintain you weren't making an accusation or support it now?
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On May 23 2019 22:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread. Beyond that, I sometimes have trouble responding to every post that I otherwise would respond to just because of the volume presented and limits on my time (like GH’s internment camp post). If it’s something important, I may circle back the next day. If not, it may slip through the cracks and people can ask me again.
Which is completely understandable. Happens all the time.
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On May 23 2019 22:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 22:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread. What? It's literally an accusation that you've twice made and failed to support. Then you reference one (uncited) incident that happened over a year ago, then repeat it isn't a one time thing and insist I find support for your argument or not dispute it. I can easily do this too: And find the argument for yourself... + Show Spoiler +Do you see how annoying that is? You're literally seeing Danglars ignore NewSunshine's question in the open, not once, but multiple times, and then you expect us to look for something that was probably said ages ago?... Kinda ridiculous. If you have a position, state it if they ask you... No one is going to go back 100's of pages to look for an answer. Especially me, I have shit to do, everyone has shit to do. I don't know if you're trying to maintain you weren't making an accusation or support it now?
You're going to maintain the same thought even if I said the latter...
I actually searched, and found an old discussion, where it resulted in Danglars just telling me to re-read his post again in the old US Pol thread. Lol...
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On May 23 2019 22:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2019 22:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 22:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 22:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:On May 23 2019 14:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 23 2019 14:18 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Meh I’ve asked questions before only to be ignored as well. It’s not a one time thing or anything. I mean I have a position of ut_up_or_shut_up" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> put up or shut up when it comes to accusations like this. If I wanted to make this argument about xDaunt I would point to my question about where the internment of Japanese Americans falls in his articulated framework of intranational morality vs. international amorality as an example of him dodging a direct and reasonable question. Then he could argue the merit of my argument instead of a post like this which can only hope to trigger a "nu uh" type of post in response from the accused. Because while the accusation is specific and oft repeated the supporting evidence is far more scarcely referenced. I might as well say now that I think the argument in question could be made and won, the point danglars and myself are pointing out is we can't get there if your arguments are simply unsubstantiated allegations that people double down on and scoff off the expectation they use something beyond hegemonic perception as evidence. This wasn't an accusation, it was a question about their positions. I would say this happened probably a year ago or in 2017, and then I've never asked them again since they choose to ignore questions about their logic, and reasoning behind supporting whatever was asked. Like I said, it's not a one time thing. You can go back, and re-read a lot of the bs arguing, and you'll see the question dodging sprinkled all over the thread. What? It's literally an accusation that you've twice made and failed to support. Then you reference one (uncited) incident that happened over a year ago, then repeat it isn't a one time thing and insist I find support for your argument or not dispute it. I can easily do this too: And find the argument for yourself... + Show Spoiler +Do you see how annoying that is? You're literally seeing Danglars ignore NewSunshine's question in the open, not once, but multiple times, and then you expect us to look for something that was probably said ages ago?... Kinda ridiculous. If you have a position, state it if they ask you... No one is going to go back 100's of pages to look for an answer. Especially me, I have shit to do, everyone has shit to do. I don't know if you're trying to maintain you weren't making an accusation or support it now? You're going to maintain the same thought even if I said the latter...
This is literally incoherent to me. I've lost your argument. You told me you weren't making an accusation and now seem to be supporting (I would say poorly) your accusation.
I actually searched, and found an old discussion, where it resulted in Danglars just telling me to re-read his post again in the old US Pol thread. Lol...
Again, this is what I'm talking about. We're left to speculate on whether you're accurately describing the thing you reference and don't cite or if it actually supports the opposite, that your accusation is really a failure (on your and others part) to address the position/s danglars did take.
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What is with you guys asking "questions" without question marks and then huffing about not getting a response (that you like) to what look to be accusations moreso than questions?
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The question is there some where, if you continue reading. Instead you just expect everything to be hand fed to you... You can do some of the work for yourself too you know. Literally go back a few pages and read the context... Stop assuming.
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On May 23 2019 23:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The question is there some where, if you continue reading. Instead you just expect everything to be hand fed to you... You can do some of the work for yourself too you know. Literally go back a few pages and read the context... Stop assuming.
just a pleasant reminder xdaunt got banned for doing exactly this.
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On May 23 2019 23:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
The question is there some where, if you continue reading. Instead you just expect everything to be hand fed to you... You can do some of the work for yourself too you know. Literally go back a few pages and read the context... Stop assuming.
What are you even talking about?
"The question is there somewhere"...? What?
I'm not asking to be "hand fed", I'm asking for the most basic level of substantiation beyond "look!" at things I've read and addressed.
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