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On April 18 2019 08:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:11 On_Slaught wrote:On April 18 2019 06:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 06:37 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2019 06:22 Dan HH wrote:On April 18 2019 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Posts about evidence of DOJ/FBI abuse/spying He did not post any evidence whatsoever, only speculation. Repeating 3 times that there was no valid predicate to investigate Trump is not evidence or an argument. Repeating 3 times that Mifsud will turn out to be a western agent is not evidence or an argument. You don't have to be a genius to understand his posts as he seems to think. Let's cut the crap, all he does is make baseless predictions then scoff at anyone that doesn't take them at face value. He’s not going to repeat it every 20 pages for the cheap seats. People showed no desire to interact on a factual basis. Like you do here, it’s just choosing to scoff at Mifsud and leave it at that. Facts only matter when they’re damaging to Trump. Thank goodness Barr takes it seriously about domestic surveillance and what it means, while this thread either embraces spying by the government or ignore that it’s even an issue. I'm looking forward to Barr's and Rosenstein's press conference tomorrow morning. I fully expect them to drop all sorts of bombs that will catch people by surprise more than Barr's "spying" comments did last week. When I say that most people aren't prepared for what's likely coming, I mean it. Why even hold a press conference when everyone can read it for themselves? And why hold it before anyone can realistically read it all? And why did Trump know about the press conference before it was even announced by the DoJ? It's almost like Barr is again trying to frame the findings in the best light for the guy who hired him to do literally just that. If he was as unbiased and certain he will be proven right as you claim he should release the report and shut up, letting the report speak for itself. The need for the press conference is self evident. The press is going to have questions. And of course Trump knows what’s going on. He is the president. I have no doubt that Trump knows exactly what is going to happen and has known all along. He has been tweeting it for two years. That should give everyone who doubts my posts on this stuff tremendous pause.
Anyone thinking Trump knows anything 'exactly' should give tremendous pause. The guy has proven to have competent knowledge of exactly 0 subjects.
And taking questions on a report nobody has read?
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On April 18 2019 08:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:18 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:11 On_Slaught wrote:On April 18 2019 06:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 06:37 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2019 06:22 Dan HH wrote:On April 18 2019 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Posts about evidence of DOJ/FBI abuse/spying He did not post any evidence whatsoever, only speculation. Repeating 3 times that there was no valid predicate to investigate Trump is not evidence or an argument. Repeating 3 times that Mifsud will turn out to be a western agent is not evidence or an argument. You don't have to be a genius to understand his posts as he seems to think. Let's cut the crap, all he does is make baseless predictions then scoff at anyone that doesn't take them at face value. He’s not going to repeat it every 20 pages for the cheap seats. People showed no desire to interact on a factual basis. Like you do here, it’s just choosing to scoff at Mifsud and leave it at that. Facts only matter when they’re damaging to Trump. Thank goodness Barr takes it seriously about domestic surveillance and what it means, while this thread either embraces spying by the government or ignore that it’s even an issue. I'm looking forward to Barr's and Rosenstein's press conference tomorrow morning. I fully expect them to drop all sorts of bombs that will catch people by surprise more than Barr's "spying" comments did last week. When I say that most people aren't prepared for what's likely coming, I mean it. Why even hold a press conference when everyone can read it for themselves? And why hold it before anyone can realistically read it all? And why did Trump know about the press conference before it was even announced by the DoJ? It's almost like Barr is again trying to frame the findings in the best light for the guy who hired him to do literally just that. If he was as unbiased and certain he will be proven right as you claim he should release the report and shut up, letting the report speak for itself. The need for the press conference is self evident. The press is going to have questions. And of course Trump knows what’s going on. He is the president. I have no doubt that Trump knows exactly what is going to happen and has known all along. He has been tweeting it for two years. That should give everyone who doubts my posts on this stuff tremendous pause. Anyone thinking Trump knows anything 'exactly' should give tremendous pause. The guy has proven to have competent knowledge of exactly 0 subjects. And taking questions on a report nobody has read?
I can think of a ton of questions to ask that don’t require intimate knowledge of the report. Regardless, Barr will be testifying twice on Capitol Hill next month, so it’s not like he’s not going to receive informed questioning at some point.
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On April 18 2019 08:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:18 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:11 On_Slaught wrote:On April 18 2019 06:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 06:37 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2019 06:22 Dan HH wrote:On April 18 2019 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Posts about evidence of DOJ/FBI abuse/spying He did not post any evidence whatsoever, only speculation. Repeating 3 times that there was no valid predicate to investigate Trump is not evidence or an argument. Repeating 3 times that Mifsud will turn out to be a western agent is not evidence or an argument. You don't have to be a genius to understand his posts as he seems to think. Let's cut the crap, all he does is make baseless predictions then scoff at anyone that doesn't take them at face value. He’s not going to repeat it every 20 pages for the cheap seats. People showed no desire to interact on a factual basis. Like you do here, it’s just choosing to scoff at Mifsud and leave it at that. Facts only matter when they’re damaging to Trump. Thank goodness Barr takes it seriously about domestic surveillance and what it means, while this thread either embraces spying by the government or ignore that it’s even an issue. I'm looking forward to Barr's and Rosenstein's press conference tomorrow morning. I fully expect them to drop all sorts of bombs that will catch people by surprise more than Barr's "spying" comments did last week. When I say that most people aren't prepared for what's likely coming, I mean it. Why even hold a press conference when everyone can read it for themselves? And why hold it before anyone can realistically read it all? And why did Trump know about the press conference before it was even announced by the DoJ? It's almost like Barr is again trying to frame the findings in the best light for the guy who hired him to do literally just that. If he was as unbiased and certain he will be proven right as you claim he should release the report and shut up, letting the report speak for itself. The need for the press conference is self evident. The press is going to have questions. And of course Trump knows what’s going on. He is the president. I have no doubt that Trump knows exactly what is going to happen and has known all along. He has been tweeting it for two years. That should give everyone who doubts my posts on this stuff tremendous pause. Anyone thinking Trump knows anything 'exactly' should give tremendous pause. The guy has proven to have competent knowledge of exactly 0 subjects. And taking questions on a report nobody has read?
This is a valid question. Wouldn't it be better to have a presser on friday? Give people time to read the thing you are answering questions on?
None of the questions that can be asked Thursday are actually on the report
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On April 18 2019 08:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:18 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:11 On_Slaught wrote:On April 18 2019 06:40 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 06:37 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2019 06:22 Dan HH wrote:On April 18 2019 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Posts about evidence of DOJ/FBI abuse/spying He did not post any evidence whatsoever, only speculation. Repeating 3 times that there was no valid predicate to investigate Trump is not evidence or an argument. Repeating 3 times that Mifsud will turn out to be a western agent is not evidence or an argument. You don't have to be a genius to understand his posts as he seems to think. Let's cut the crap, all he does is make baseless predictions then scoff at anyone that doesn't take them at face value. He’s not going to repeat it every 20 pages for the cheap seats. People showed no desire to interact on a factual basis. Like you do here, it’s just choosing to scoff at Mifsud and leave it at that. Facts only matter when they’re damaging to Trump. Thank goodness Barr takes it seriously about domestic surveillance and what it means, while this thread either embraces spying by the government or ignore that it’s even an issue. I'm looking forward to Barr's and Rosenstein's press conference tomorrow morning. I fully expect them to drop all sorts of bombs that will catch people by surprise more than Barr's "spying" comments did last week. When I say that most people aren't prepared for what's likely coming, I mean it. Why even hold a press conference when everyone can read it for themselves? And why hold it before anyone can realistically read it all? And why did Trump know about the press conference before it was even announced by the DoJ? It's almost like Barr is again trying to frame the findings in the best light for the guy who hired him to do literally just that. If he was as unbiased and certain he will be proven right as you claim he should release the report and shut up, letting the report speak for itself. The need for the press conference is self evident. The press is going to have questions. And of course Trump knows what’s going on. He is the president. I have no doubt that Trump knows exactly what is going to happen and has known all along. He has been tweeting it for two years. That should give everyone who doubts my posts on this stuff tremendous pause. Anyone thinking Trump knows anything 'exactly' should give tremendous pause. The guy has proven to have competent knowledge of exactly 0 subjects. And taking questions on a report nobody has read?
Trump seems to regularly demonstrate that he doesn't 'exactly' know his own activities.
But of course there will be questions for the President related to it so a Press Conference makes a lot of sense, even if Trump + press is usually some form of low-grade disaster.
On April 18 2019 08:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:18 IgnE wrote:
I don’t really give a shit about the Russia stuff for various reasons but I submit that xdaunt and his detractors are not as far apart on the facts as either(?) side thinks. The dispute seems mostly to be over empty signifiers (in the technical sense, see Laclau, etc.) like “un/american” and over legal, not factual, determinations. I completely disagree with this. There is a huge factual gulf between me and my “detractors.”
Possibly. But maybe the gulf doesn't go in the direction you think it does. I've witnessed the fact-slinging in both directions, and there's plenty of evidence on both sides. You've certainly not constructed the ironclad case you clearly think you have.
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On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin.
Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server.
So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do.
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On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do.
See, it is this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes.
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On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes.
That was some time before the investigation concluded. And if they were going to leak the findings to Clinton, why would they give it to her husband, in person, in a public airport in broad daylight? I know their are not criminal masterminds, but someone in the Clinton camp had to watch the Wire like one time.
Second: have we ruled out the theory that Bill Clinton didn’t engage in brain and just went over to chat with an old friend for a couple minutes? This man was never know for impulse control, after all.
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On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes. By that exact same logic, would it not be safe to assume that in the various documented contacts between Trump campaign members and various Russians they were also not talking about cookie recipes?
Same deal with when Trump was found out to have been talking with Putin off the record (or when on the record, had all record of it stopped from being documented) on multiple occasions? I'm sure Vlad has some killer cookie recipes.
If you are going to assume the worst for a short chat between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, it makes no sense that you give Trump and his people a free pass.
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On April 18 2019 09:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes. That was some time before the investigation concluded. And if they were going to leak the findings to Clinton, why would they give it to her husband, in person, in a public airport in broad daylight? I know their are not criminal masterminds, but someone in the Clinton camp had to watch the Wire like one time. Second: have we ruled out the theory that Bill Clinton didn’t engage in brain and just went over to chat with an old friend for a couple minutes? This man was never know for impulse control, after all.
You are right, the meeting happened before the investigation concluded, which is clearly worse than leaking after it had concluded because it could prejudice and interfere with the investigation.
And no, we don’t know what Lynch and Clinton discussed. It goes without saying that neither should be reasonably expected to give a full accounting on that point, which is why I am more interested in the rampant DOJ interference in the investigation after that meeting happened.
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On April 18 2019 09:06 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes. That was some time before the investigation concluded. And if they were going to leak the findings to Clinton, why would they give it to her husband, in person, in a public airport in broad daylight? I know their are not criminal masterminds, but someone in the Clinton camp had to watch the Wire like one time. Second: have we ruled out the theory that Bill Clinton didn’t engage in brain and just went over to chat with an old friend for a couple minutes? This man was never know for impulse control, after all. You are right, the meeting happened before the investigation concluded, which is clearly worse than leaking after it had concluded because it could prejudice and interfere with the investigation. And no, we don’t know what Lynch and Clinton discussed. It goes without saying that neither should be reasonably expected to give a full accounting on that point, which is why I am more interested in the rampant DOJ interference in the investigation after that meeting happened.
So what you are saying is you have no evidence of the leak beyond wild speculation. The only way your theory works is if they reached a conclusion before the investigation completed and somehow convinced everyone at the DOJ and FBI to go along with it.
Also, how did Clinton obstruct Justice by destroying the email server after she stopped being Secretary of State? She wasn’t under investigation then. You can obstruct an investigation that is years in the future:
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On April 18 2019 09:01 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes. By that exact same logic, would it not be safe to assume that in the various documented contacts between Trump campaign members and various Russians they were also not talking about cookie recipes? Same deal with when Trump was found out to have been talking with Putin off the record (or when on the record, had all record of it stopped from being documented) on multiple occasions? I'm sure Vlad has some killer cookie recipes. If you are going to assume the worst for a short chat between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, it makes no sense that you give Trump and his people a free pass.
The biggest difference between the two sets of conduct is that in the Clinton case, we can actually see evidence of a conspiracy being acted upon after the meeting. What exactly has Trump done for Russia. He has been pissing in their Cheerios fairly consistently since taking office.
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The FBI and DOJ not bringing weak ass criminal charges for gross negligence against a Presidential candidate during an election year. Who could have called that unprecedented result?
Conspiracy my ass. Possibly the least surprising thing about that investigation was how it went no place.
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We should just have two people summarize the relevant facts and timelines for each side. This “what about this” merry-go-round is getting ridiculous
I need a graphic guys.
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On April 18 2019 09:20 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2019 09:06 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 09:00 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:54 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 08:47 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 08:14 xDaunt wrote:On April 18 2019 07:54 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2019 07:22 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So the White House had access to (more information from) the report already. No wonder Barr suddenly couldn't answer that question during his hearing. DoJ people working to aid Trumps lawyers. Seems ridiculous to me that they get access before congressional committees who have to wait until Barr does his media spin. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1118630251276505088Between this and Barr now announcing he will be holding a press conference before the release, the spectre of him steering the conclusions is not going away soon. Can you imagine if Comey had leaked his findings in the emails investigation to the Clinton team days in advance so they could prepare a response? We would still be hearing conservatives complaints about it today and until the heat death of the sun. We don’t have to imagine it, because what actually happened was worse. Comey drafted his statement exonerating her before interviewing anyone, and the DOJ told the FBI that there would be no indictment, period. And that’s before we even touch Hillary’s own obstruction issues such as destruction of the email server. So where is the evidence the DOJ leaked it to Clinton again? Because the FBI reports to the department of justice, so Comey was just doing what he is supposed to do. See, it this kind of post that makes it very difficult to take you seriously. I point out conduct that is unequivocally worse than a leak, yet you still want to see the leak. Well that’s fine. I will direct your attention to the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting in Phoenix. I highly doubt that they were discussing cookie recipes. That was some time before the investigation concluded. And if they were going to leak the findings to Clinton, why would they give it to her husband, in person, in a public airport in broad daylight? I know their are not criminal masterminds, but someone in the Clinton camp had to watch the Wire like one time. Second: have we ruled out the theory that Bill Clinton didn’t engage in brain and just went over to chat with an old friend for a couple minutes? This man was never know for impulse control, after all. You are right, the meeting happened before the investigation concluded, which is clearly worse than leaking after it had concluded because it could prejudice and interfere with the investigation. And no, we don’t know what Lynch and Clinton discussed. It goes without saying that neither should be reasonably expected to give a full accounting on that point, which is why I am more interested in the rampant DOJ interference in the investigation after that meeting happened. Have you not basically defined a conspiracy theory? Two people meet and discuss something and no one knows what they were saying but different assumptions can be made due to other factors. Now im not saying it couldnt be true, it could be and it could be false. It would be a mistake to treat a theory like a fact.
What I’m describing is the factual basis for a criminal conspiracy charge. If the reports about what Nunes, Horowitz, and Barr are doing are true, lots of these are coming.
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On April 18 2019 09:37 IgnE wrote:
We should just have two people summarize the relevant facts and timelines for each side. This “what about this” merry-go-round is getting ridiculous
I need a graphic guys.
I’d love to do it, but it’s not really practical from my side. The factual basis of what I’m referring to is derived from over a dozen transcripts of hearing testimony plus many, many more source documents. The other side does not really account for any of this stuff. This is why I say that there is a huge gulf in the facts.
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Where’s the right-leaning Vox to explain the news at me?
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On April 18 2019 09:52 IgnE wrote:
Where’s the right-leaning Vox to explain the news at me?
This is the only summary article that I’m aware of. I haven’t gone through it in detail recently, so I don’t know how up to date or accurate it is at this point. The best researchers on this have written books on it. That’s how detailed and factually intensive it is.
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I need to go compile links to a dozen articles from the likes of Byron York, Mollie Hemingway, Chuck Ross to establish the major allegations. If you’re interested in just the dossier parts and the media response to it, this article does an adequate job. Links and timeline help establish some of the major points.
The Washington Examiner Magazine has a good wrap up of the Clapper/Brennan/Comey lies, but that’s paywalled.
I’ll get around to it this weekend if not earlier.
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