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On April 17 2019 05:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:05 Yurie wrote:On April 17 2019 04:45 Plansix wrote:
True. And the rising cost of insulin is the result of over 20 years of absentee congress and a pharmaceutical industry that has zero fear of repercussions of jacking prices. And before someone says it, the free market won’t solve this problem because no one really wants to see how efficiency is obtained when making critical drugs like insulin. Hint: People die from cheaply made insulin. Something as basic as Metformin seems to be ~5 times as expensive for the daily dose in the US compared to Sweden. Don't really see why that should be. Because they can charge more. What are the consumers gonna do? Not buy medicine?
It just seems strange that the Danish company Orifarm that sells it in Sweden isn't crowding in. They could charge 80% of what the US companies do and still make 100%-200% pure profit above what they make a profit on in the EU.
https://www.tlv.se/beslut/sok-i-databasen.html?product=metformin&organization=Orifarm&tab=1
Pris (kr) is the recommended selling price at a pharmacist in SEK. AIP I think is the purchasing price from the company doing the selling, though good luck finding the 400 pcs for sale.
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What do you mean by "crowding in"? Is this some American slang for something?
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On April 17 2019 05:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What do you mean by "crowding in"? Is this some American slang for something?
I mean, moving into the market. Pushing somebody else out or forcing them to change their practices.
It seems to be an economics term I am using incorrectly since it refers to government actions.
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Well, why do you think that is the case? It can't possibly be that as a generic drug, metformin has different characteristics by itself, so as an intelligent being, what possible reasons can you come up with?
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On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign.
Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America.
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Some are, many are also dying from Chinese lab synthesized fentanyl and its analogues (mostly carfentanyl). The poppies are also mostly in the Middle East, and many became addicted to opiates because of pill pushing companies and doctors, none of which have anything to do with the border.
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When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo.
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On April 17 2019 05:33 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign. Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America.
So why are we taking resources away from drug and border enforcement to detain asylum seekers and slam their asylum requires through the immigration courts? Asylum seekers are not smuggling in heroin and they would be terrible at it, since they turn themselves into border patrol when they cross. Seems like a bad plan.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/22/zero-tolerance-immigration-crackdown-diverting-resources-drug-cases/727532002/
On April 17 2019 05:37 farvacola wrote:
Some are, many are also dying from Chinese lab synthesized fentanyl and its analogues (mostly carfentanyl). The poppies are also mostly in the Middle East, and many became addicted to opiates because of pill pushing companies and doctors, none of which have anything to do with the border.
How dare you articulate the complexities of this complex problem! It was so much easier to blame South America for all of it and justify bad policy through that churlish argument.
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On April 17 2019 05:33 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign. Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America. Except for the fact that the root of the opioid crisis lies in the huge amounts of painkillers that were proscribed an mass to people and has nothing to with immigrants and everything to do with American doctor practises and the pharmaceutical industry pushing for more and more pills to be sold.
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On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo.
Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything?
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On April 17 2019 05:42 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:33 Embryo923 wrote:On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign. Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America. Except for the fact that the root of the opioid crisis lies in the huge amounts of painkillers that were proscribed an mass to people and has nothing to with immigrants and everything to do with American doctor practises and the pharmaceutical industry pushing for more and more pills to be sold.
Tell that to all the young people strung out on street heroin all over the country, which is much more than people addicted to painkillers, it won't show up in statistics because street drug addicts are usually off the grid and don't admit their problems.
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On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything?
Are you saying that minority votes are somehow worth less than the votes of white Americans? Or that minorities are genetically predisposed to vote a specific way?
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Northern Ireland25467 Posts
On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything?
What does that have to do with the complexities of America’s drug problems?
Even if you were 100% right on that last post it’s not really related to that?
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On April 17 2019 05:45 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:42 Gorsameth wrote:On April 17 2019 05:33 Embryo923 wrote:On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign. Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America. Except for the fact that the root of the opioid crisis lies in the huge amounts of painkillers that were proscribed an mass to people and has nothing to with immigrants and everything to do with American doctor practises and the pharmaceutical industry pushing for more and more pills to be sold. Tell that to all the young people strung out on street heroin all over the country, which is much more than people addicted to painkillers, it won't show up in statistics because street drug addicts are usually off the grid and don't admit their problems.
Ah, a wonderful case of "See this problem, but there really is not proof because street addicts are totally invisible, but trust me that there are A LOT of them!"
None of that makes sense.
Street addicts are not invisible, and they totally are in statistics. And you cannot just claim that things are the way that you want them to be without any proof, and attack any counterproof at the same time. That is the way of conspiracy theories.
Basically, at this point you have only spouted unverified stuff without any evidence to it, and we should also just agree that stuff is true because you say it is.
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On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything?
I am actually a person. Not a people. I am a self loving person. Not that changes the utter garbage nonsense of your post anyways. Is your mind blown yet?
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Northern Ireland25467 Posts
Can’t say it’s accurate to say ‘democrats’, or indeed ‘the left’ but at least broadly speaking if not in terms of elected officials hadn’t it been largely the left who wanted to liberalise drug laws, end the ‘war on drugs’ as it were etc.
Which very much sounds like advocating for less government in that domain no?
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On April 17 2019 05:33 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 03:41 Plansix wrote:
The opioid crisis has seen no signs of stopping and can't seem to rise above the din of Trump's manufactured immigration crisis, better known as his reelection campaign. Do you not realize the immigration problem is a major reason we have drugs in this country, that those people are the ones who bring this garbage here? It doesn't come from Canada, at least a very small percentage, if any. The kids that are dying are dying from heroin that comes from Mexico and South America.
An immigrant can't go back and bring in more heroin unless he first emigrates. You need to think this through. You'd ideally want one person on each side of the border who stays on their side of the border with the drugs travelling alongside regular goods imported legally. No need to smuggle a person in alongside the drugs, that's just adding complexity and you then need to smuggle the person back out again to do the next shipment.
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On April 17 2019 05:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything? Are you saying that minority votes are somehow worth less than the votes of white Americans? Or that minorities are genetically predisposed to vote a specific way?
Why are you answering my question with a question, answer my question.
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On April 17 2019 06:14 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:46 Plansix wrote:On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything? Are you saying that minority votes are somehow worth less than the votes of white Americans? Or that minorities are genetically predisposed to vote a specific way? Why are you answering my question with a question, answer my question.
You didn't actually have a question though? Ending a sentence in a question mark doesn't make the sentence a question? You have to ask something first?
Why are you answering my question with a question, answer my question?
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Northern Ireland25467 Posts
On April 17 2019 06:14 Embryo923 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2019 05:46 Plansix wrote:On April 17 2019 05:43 Embryo923 wrote:On April 17 2019 05:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
When you write utter garbage posts like that, I am not suprised you are banned from Artosis twitch chat lol. For one thing the opiates people are addicted to are entirely legal fda approved pharma products. For another heroin is smuggled through cargo. Are you one of those self hating white people? You know the left just uses minorities for votes, they make them feel like they're inferior and need help and can't do anything themselves because they're "oppressed" which is complete bs and isn't true and that the only way they can live a good life is if they elect Democrats to create bigger government to control everything? Are you saying that minority votes are somehow worth less than the votes of white Americans? Or that minorities are genetically predisposed to vote a specific way? Why are you answering my question with a question, answer my question.
What question? It was just a rambling broad assertion masquerading as a question.
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