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Introvert
United States5042 Posts
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/AG March 24 2019 Letter to House and Senate Judiciary Committees.pdf edit: 2 pages in, no collusion. There it is. wow, this letter is even better than I expected. It basically clears the president. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32755 Posts
Commence the disappointment from those expecting this to be a death knell with all their worship of Mueller. On March 25 2019 04:53 Doodsmack wrote: Technically the report says it does not exonerate the president on obstruction. It doesn't say there was no obstruction. True, I shortened it down and realized it a bit later there was more nuance to it. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Edit: I see the AG himself concluded no obstruction. I wonder if we will find out any further details. Barr's legal opinion prior to taking the AG office was that by definition the president couldn't commit obstruction if he took actions that were otherwise within his authority. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On March 25 2019 04:42 Introvert wrote: Here is the letter: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/AG March 24 2019 Letter to House and Senate Judiciary Committees.pdf edit: 2 pages in, no collusion. There it is. wow, this letter is even better than I expected. It basically clears the president. “The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” It absolutely does not basically clear the president. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9069 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Introvert
United States5042 Posts
The actual report apparently lays out "both sides" on obstruction which is what we now going to hear about the for next two years. Compared to the stolen election hype, this is meaningless. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On March 25 2019 04:55 Excludos wrote: “The Special Counsel states that ‘while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.’” It absolutely does not basically clear the president. The AG basically punted the entire obstruction question while not giving detail on why the president is not exonerated. I think there is about to be a fairly big battle over whether this report comes out. The letter is incredibly sparse on detail and has a few sections that definitely need clarification, especially since Barr mentions "reasonable doubt" in the collusion section. Was there some evidence but nothing concrete or nothing at all? Based on what's going on with Roger Stone right now, there are lots of questions that need to be answered. People are also pointing out that Barr isn't clear on whether it is "known collusion" or just "collusion", since he mentions both at different points and isn't clear about either. The difference of course is huge. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
He could still be working for them on the sanctions and undermining nato and all the other stuff he acts like putins little bitch for And the no obstruction is Barrs opinion and not Mueller | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:01 Plansix wrote: And now we can get back to winning elections while conservatives celebrate that their last victory for some time. Winning elections would probably be a lot easier if you guys had actually spend more time about real issues with Trumps presidency instead of writing "Trump is a Putin puppet" fan fiction. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:36 Paljas wrote: How shocking Winning elections would probably be a lot easier if you guys had actually spend more time about real issues with Trumps presidency instead of writing "Trump is a Putin puppet" fan fiction. I recall people talking about a lot more than Trump "being a Putin puppet". Like it's possible to have more than one concern with Trump or something. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Nadler already has confirmed he's bringing Barr and probably Mueller before the Judiciary Committee in the very near future. Nadler sounds skeptical to say the least of Barr's conclusion that Trump didn't obstruct justice. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:36 Paljas wrote: How shocking Winning elections would probably be a lot easier if you guys had actually spend more time about real issues with Trumps presidency instead of writing "Trump is a Putin puppet" fan fiction. You mean all the laws the House is passing, that the Senate is unwilling to even hold a vote on ? :-) | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
It looks like when the majority of the report is released, Democrats will seize upon portions that look bad for the President, but not rising to obstruction of justice. It’s not enough for impeachment I wager. It certainly will be repeated endlessly for political gain. The Democrats cannot allow this long of an investigation with no indictments on collusion to stand. It’s political suicide. Barr is growing on me. The letter was well written. It intentionally disputed the speculation on sealed indictments. It put to rest the major allegations. Good summary. Now for an hour or two of relief before he launches into criticism of Schiff or McCain or CNN lol. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22656 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:47 Ben... wrote: I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Trump firing Comey and then going on TV a couple days later and saying he fired Comey because of the FBI investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia is somehow not obstruction of justice. If firing somebody who is leading an investigation into you to stop the investigation isn't obstruction of justice, then what is? Nadler already has confirmed he's bringing Barr and probably Mueller before the Judiciary Committee in the very near future. Nadler sounds skeptical to say the least of Barr's conclusion that Trump didn't obstruct justice. That's why people should wait for what the full report says rather then Barr's summery of it. It could well be a version of 'he most likely did the thing but we can't charge him with it' on a number of issues, including firing Comey and the Trump Tower meeting by Jr. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:49 Danglars wrote: People that want to believe Trump is “putins little bitch” will continue to believe it, despite how many millions of dollars and years are spent trying to find evidence of blackmail or conspiracy. I’m at peace with this undeniable fact. It looks like when the majority of the report is released, Democrats will seize upon portions that look bad for the President, but not rising to obstruction of justice. It’s not enough for impeachment I wager. It certainly will be repeated endlessly for political gain. The Democrats cannot allow this long of an investigation with no indictments on collusion to stand. It’s political suicide. Barr is growing on me. The letter was well written. It intentionally disputed the speculation on sealed indictments. It put to rest the major allegations. Good summary. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1109918388133023744 Now for an hour or two of relief before he launches into criticism of Schiff or McCain or CNN lol. You should know that what happened is literally none of the things Trump says it is. Not yet. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:55 Gorsameth wrote: Indeed. Sadly, the letter is already being heavily spun by conservative media to say Trump is 100% innocent even though the letter itself clearly says he is not in the clear.That's why people should wait for what the full report says rather then Barr's summery of it. It could well be a version of 'he most likely did the thing but we can't charge him with it' on a number of issues, including firing Comey and the Trump Tower meeting by Jr. The truly telling thing will be the amount of resistance the Republicans give to letting the report be public. If Trump is truly as innocent as they're claiming he is, then there should be no issue releasing the extreme majority of the report to the public. Them putting up a big fight will be confirmation that there's probably more to what was in the report than they are implying. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12567 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 25 2019 05:55 Gorsameth wrote: That's why people should wait for what the full report says rather then Barr's summery of it. It could well be a version of 'he most likely did the thing but we can't charge him with it' on a number of issues, including firing Comey and the Trump Tower meeting by Jr. It's pretty obvious that the justice department knows anything but a very through public report with a nearly complete private report to certain members of Congress will be unacceptiable. Depending on how much they drag that process out I says more about the ag than the report | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On March 25 2019 06:07 Nebuchad wrote: For the record it's weird that the witch hunt led by 13 angry democrats concluded that Trump didn't do the bad thing. Trump must be extra-innocent, even conspiracies don't manage to pin something on him. The Witch Hunt which, led by 13 angry Democrats, also somehow manages to be led by lifelong Republicans, and while we're at it, hey, we found some witches. | ||
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