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Acrofales
Spain18048 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9675 Posts
On February 26 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote: I do find it quite hilarious that our small gubmint conservatives are suddenly cheering for paying more taxes. Wegandi cheering for ppl being hit by a tax increase is particularly incongruent with all his other views. This is the weird thing about conservatives under Trump. They cheer him on despite his awful character because he is giving them the results they want, however he isn't, they just change what they want to fit exactly what he is doing. Its circular logic at its finest. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21783 Posts
On February 26 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote: Its consistent tho.I do find it quite hilarious that our small gubmint conservatives are suddenly cheering for paying more taxes. Wegandi cheering for ppl being hit by a tax increase is particularly incongruent with all his other views. They want to remove entitlements for lazy Liberals, but not for their own temporarily embarrassed millionaires living off of government aid. They want to stop progressives from being subsidised by tax deductions but not pay more taxes themselves. Unfortunately for them laws don't care about your political inclination so their attempts to hurt the other side for lolz end up hurting themselves aswell and then they act all confused and why one of the main goals of Conservative media is to convince that the damage they suffer from their own politicians is really to fault of the evul Democrats. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 26 2019 19:49 Gorsameth wrote: Its consistent tho. They want to remove entitlements for lazy Liberals, but not for their own temporarily embarrassed millionaires living off of government aid. They want to stop progressives from being subsidised by tax deductions but not pay more taxes themselves. Unfortunately for them laws don't care about your political inclination so their attempts to hurt the other side for lolz end up hurting themselves aswell and then they act all confused and why one of the main goals of Conservative media is to convince that the damage they suffer from their own politicians is really to fault of the evul Democrats. They want you to "stop distorting their behavior" with an evil tax code(honestly that's a new one for me), but have no problem enjoying the notion of making everyone pay more taxes. As the party of less taxes. Don't look for logic here. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 26 2019 22:28 NewSunshine wrote: They want you to "stop distorting their behavior" with an evil tax code(honestly that's a new one for me), but have no problem enjoying the notion of making everyone pay more taxes. As the party of less taxes. Don't look for logic here. And didn't I read somewhere that Trump has increased the deficit by record levels? I was doing a count a while back. I think Trump has done almost everything Obama was criticised for by Conservatives more than Obama did, to praise.There's consistency, alright, but it's play-doh. Which is the most dangerous part of the system as a whole. Politicians are always going to go where the wind blows. You can't let them decide which way that is. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 26 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote: I do find it quite hilarious that our small gubmint conservatives are suddenly cheering for paying more taxes. Wegandi cheering for ppl being hit by a tax increase is particularly incongruent with all his other views. I find it quite hilarious that you managed to completely whiff on what was argued. Small hint: we aren’t in favor of higher taxes, at either the federal or SALT levels. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 26 2019 23:23 xDaunt wrote: I find it quite hilarious that you managed to completely whiff on what was argued. Small hint: we aren’t in favor of higher taxes, at either the federal or SALT levels. Maybe if that was dropped in more than "small hints" people wouldn't be arguing about SALT deductions. Surely you can see how folks might get confused there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 26 2019 23:26 NewSunshine wrote: Maybe if that was dropped in more than "small hints" people wouldn't be arguing about SALT deductions. Surely you can see how folks might get confused there. I already did. If y’all aren’t going to pay attention, that’s on you. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/white-house-press-corps-abruptly-ordered-out-hotel-ahead-north-n975986 | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
New Marist polling out last night covered by Axios finds that Americans are now as likely to identify as pro-life (47 percent) as they are pro-choice (47 percent). A Marist poll from mid January reported that Americans were much more likely to call themselves “pro-choice” than “pro-life” (55 to 38 percent). The poll’s most striking data shows that the shift in public opinion on abortion is being driven primarily by Democrats, especially younger ones. In January, only 20 percent of all Democrats self-identified as pro-life; the new poll found that percentage has jumped to 34 percent. But among Democrats under the age of 45, the shift was even more significant: According to Marist, 28 percent of them said they were pro-life last month. Now, almost as many young Democrats identify as pro-life as pro-choice. The new poll found that 47 percent of Democrats under 45 call themselves pro-life, compared to 48 percent who call themselves pro-choice. Source. It's been a very bad past few months for the pro-choice crowd with NY passing their abortion bill and the NC governor talking about infanticide on the radio. For an issue that I thought was largely off the table, it seems like the electorate is rapidly putting abortion back in political play. I'm particularly surprised that young people seem to be trending so heavily in the pro-life direction. This trend certainly isn't going to stop now that Democrats are on the record opposing the Born Alive bill that would mandate that doctors give medical treatment to babies born alive following an attempted abortion. It was a pretty dumb political position to take. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On February 27 2019 00:23 JimmiC wrote: Not to mention Putin's State funded news announcing what will be the targets for their new Nuke's. Pentagon, Camp David and so on. And a Cuban Missile style crisis. Things with trumps good friends he see's eye to eye with are not going well. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6742481/After-Putins-warning-Russian-TV-lists-nuclear-targets-US.html Then you have India striking inside of Pakistan after a suicide bomber killed 40 Indian soldiers. Two other nuclear powers getting close to war. It does not feel like a safe time. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/26/india/india-pakistan-line-of-control-incursion-intl/index.html "Believe me. I have absolute certainty that despite what the corrupt CIA will tell you, Russia is not responsible for blowing up the Pentagon. Instead it is common knowledge that terrorists from Mexico..." Trump in 2020? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 27 2019 01:30 xDaunt wrote: Looks like Democrats are starting to push the abortion agenda too far: Source. It's been a very bad past few months for the pro-choice crowd with NY passing their abortion bill and the NC governor talking about infanticide on the radio. For an issue that I thought was largely off the table, it seems like the electorate is rapidly putting abortion back in political play. I'm particularly surprised that young people seem to be trending so heavily in the pro-life direction. This trend certainly isn't going to stop now that Democrats are on the record opposing the Born Alive bill that would mandate that doctors give medical treatment to babies born alive following an attempted abortion. It was a pretty dumb political position to take. There was a 14 point change in the span of a single month in one demographic? That sounds like there are factors in that poll we don't understand. Also, pro-choice/life has always been around 50/50 across America, as far as I know. The question gets much starker when it is changed so "Should abortion be criminalized?" That is when like 70%-80% become pro-choice. And that bill in NY seems seems like it was created for a fictional event. How many babies are born after failed abortions? How many failed abortions happen, nation wide? Is this a problem worthy of legislation? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I noticed that you failed to answer my question about the need for such legislation. I'm interested in what prompted it to become necessary. I've never heard of a case where an abortion we so badly it ended up with the baby being born and the doctor refusing to treat said baby. It seems like a work of fiction or the plot of some horror movie, rather than something worthy of legislation. Also, if the baby was born, wouldn't basic negligence and manslaighter laws cover this? Criminalizing specific medical procedures has never seemed politically tenable either. Especially ones that tell someone they need to go through with a risky child birth and likely die or go to jail for having a late term abortion. Because those are the laws that keep being pushed. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 27 2019 02:06 xDaunt wrote: The mistake that the pro-choice crowd has made is that it has linked its brand with infanticide and late term abortions. Both of these are overwhelmingly unpopular and politically untenable. They should hold their ground at protecting first term abortions. Define 'it'. As far as I can tell it's mostly individuals who've said this and Conservatives (like yourself) tarring the entire crowd with the brush. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 27 2019 02:17 iamthedave wrote: Define 'it'. As far as I can tell it's mostly individuals who've said this and Conservatives (like yourself) tarring the entire crowd with the brush. It should be self-evident from my post. "It" is the pro-choice movement. All of the senators who opposed the born alive bill did it explicitly on pro-choice grounds as proud pro-choice politicians. Same deal in NY or with the NC governor. | ||
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