EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 1036
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farvacola
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Plansix
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On January 12 2019 02:11 ticklishmusic wrote: by public opinion, i mean more a certain segment of the public - the fox news/ die hard trump crowd. Can you actually give Giuliani any credit for fooling those people? They'll swallow anything provided it portrays Democrats as EBUL and Trump (ergo them) as victims. | ||
KwarK
United States44243 Posts
On January 12 2019 00:57 m4ini wrote: That's.. Debatable. The only reason why i've even picked up on this was an AMA by an employment attorney on reddit. There was a lawsuit in 2013, where it was argued that under the Fair Labor Standards Act it's unlawful to require anyone to work without pay. There's apparently currently an on-going lawsuit for this one as well. It's a very grey zone, because it can be argued that they in fact are compensated for their work - just not on time. Because that's not what's happening. At least, technically. The department of labor would take a mallet to any other employer who attempted to argue that deferred payment was still payment. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 12 2019 07:56 JimmiC wrote: If Trump was able to call a national emergency and build the wall. What could a Democrat do next time they were in power? I've noticed a lot of tit for tat. I'm wondering what can of worms this opens? Prob clement change action , Health care action. Nothing with guns probably | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On January 12 2019 08:02 Plansix wrote: Solar Panels and nationalize the coal industry to close it. The sky in the limit. Sounds like a pretty low limit considering we're about to send people to Mars.. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 12 2019 08:28 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: If this wall does get built, hope the next president orders for it to be torn down and the materials used for housing the homeless or something. Make it homeless vets, so that you can ask republicans why they hate housing homeless vets | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11952 Posts
On January 12 2019 08:28 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: If this wall does get built, hope the next president orders for it to be torn down and the materials used for housing the homeless or something. I doubt that tearing down a wall and then carrying the stuff from it across half the country and it to build other things is cheaper than leaving the wall to rot and just building the other things without bothering with the wall. There are still derelict WW2 bunkers in the city my grandparents live in because it is more expensive to break them down than what the land they are standing on is worth. And broken used concrete is worth a lot less than land, even in a small city. It might even have negative value. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
The big question is why some Ukrainian oligarchs would find it valuable to have data on random American voters. Manafort apparently wanted to get paid by them in exchange for the data (he expected to receive a $2.4 million payment from them in November 2016). Manafort was apparently in desperate financial straits at the time he joined trumps campaign to manage it for no pay. One possible explanation is that these people are simply political profiteers and they were looking to get paid for political consulting. That still doesnt quite explain why Ukrainian oligarchs would want the data. These oligarchs were apparently also involved in providing proposals to trumps team on a Ukraine peace deal. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 12 2019 00:52 Acrofales wrote: Once again, how is that a legal employment contract? Pretty sure if my employer tried to include a clause that said "oh, and if X happens, you will be forced to work for no pay", I could take him to court and would win, because that would be highly illegal due to anti-slavery laws. In the US, I believe that is the thirteenth amendment. So how does "thou shalt work for no pay during a government shutdown" not get ruled as unconstitutional? I guess it'd get down to the nitty gritty details of what "involuntary servitude" means, but still, seems like a fight worth fighting? Yeah I assume there must be a ethical limit to contract rules when not getting paid for the contract. And I understand if workers stopped now it would be frowned upon, but it looks like this is not going to be over soon. Trump never had a problem with not paying people, he did it so many times before. What if they are still not paid next month? At some point it must violate some rights to force them to continue? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 12 2019 13:19 ticklishmusic wrote: i think when we get to a month or two it's really uncharted territory. like, i don't think anyone with a modicum of sense or heart would seriously blame federal workers for dipping after that long working without pay. If the ATC Union or whatever walks, the government will open the very next day. Trump would have no choice. Democrats can just wait this out. There is no pressure on Democrats right now. | ||
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